newmercman:
And the biggest problem, the drivers can’t keep the bloody things in a straight line, overtaking one is a nightmare, that’s with decent weather, throw a bit of winter into the mix and they are downright dangerous
Where’s the big issue it’s just a big drawbar outfit pulled by a tractor/semi instead of a rigid.Drawbar outfits aren’t known for weaving all over the road or crashing all over the place in zb weather and if they can keep the things between the lines of an ordinary single carriageway road,which isn’t much wider than the wagon itself in Oz,then what’s so different about the roads that they’re using them on over there .
newmercman:
And the biggest problem, the drivers can’t keep the bloody things in a straight line, overtaking one is a nightmare, that’s with decent weather, throw a bit of winter into the mix and they are downright dangerous
Where’s the big issue it’s just a big drawbar outfit pulled by a tractor/semi instead of a rigid.Drawbar outfits aren’t known for weaving all over the road or crashing all over the place in zb weather and if they can keep the things between the lines of an ordinary single carriageway road,which isn’t much wider than the wagon itself in Oz,then what’s so different about the roads that they’re using them on over there .
The differences are numerous. Axle configuration and placement for a start. Length is the obvious one, a twitch on the front is a hell of a weave 100 plus foot back. We’re not talking about about wagon and drags genius so there’s at least one extra point of pivot too.
Furthermore oz roads are not subject to the huge temperature differences of North American roads. The roads NMM et al are referring to are not exactly silky smooth un tramlined paradises.
I’ve dragged short doubles in the US and they wobble enough. I’ve had to hammer past enough of your mobs wobble and drags on the A5 to see how super awesome they are too
As usual the combination of your “genius” , googling and rubbing one out to youtube videos results in yet another epic fail
You don’t know more than those who actually have been there and done it
Here’s another youtube video for you although I suspect you won’t need your usual supply of kleenex for this one
wire:
What [zb] weather in Australia? When ever I see anything about it the weather looks sunny.
No I was talking about the fact that in general wagon and drags are actually as good in zb conditions as anything else and zb it if some don’t like my idea that a road train is just a drawbar trailer pulled by an artic who cares I’m sticking to it because that’s exactly what the thing is.
newmercman:
And the biggest problem, the drivers can’t keep the bloody things in a straight line, overtaking one is a nightmare, that’s with decent weather, throw a bit of winter into the mix and they are downright dangerous
Where’s the big issue it’s just a big drawbar outfit pulled by a tractor/semi instead of a rigid.Drawbar outfits aren’t known for weaving all over the road or crashing all over the place in zb weather and if they can keep the things between the lines of an ordinary single carriageway road,which isn’t much wider than the wagon itself in Oz,then what’s so different about the roads that they’re using them on over there .
The differences are numerous. Axle configuration and placement for a start. Length is the obvious one, a twitch on the front is a hell of a weave 100 plus foot back. We’re not talking about about wagon and drags genius so there’s at least one extra point of pivot too.
Furthermore oz roads are not subject to the huge temperature differences of North American roads. The roads NMM et al are referring to are not exactly silky smooth un tramlined paradises.
I’ve dragged short doubles in the US and they wobble enough. I’ve had to hammer past enough of your mobs wobble and drags on the A5 to see how super awesome they are too
As usual the combination of your “genius” , googling and rubbing one out to youtube videos results in yet another epic fail
You don’t know more than those who actually have been there and done it
Here’s another youtube video for you although I suspect you won’t need your usual supply of kleenex for this one
Post of the year mr big rig
I remember reading an article about oz roadtrains and the driver saying how a sharp move with the steering could have the rear trailer over.
Mind you we will now have 10 pages of how if they got a four axle rigid pulling a semi trailer like new zeland that will be the answer.
newmercman:
And the biggest problem, the drivers can’t keep the bloody things in a straight line, overtaking one is a nightmare, that’s with decent weather, throw a bit of winter into the mix and they are downright dangerous
Where’s the big issue it’s just a big drawbar outfit pulled by a tractor/semi instead of a rigid.Drawbar outfits aren’t known for weaving all over the road or crashing all over the place in zb weather and if they can keep the things between the lines of an ordinary single carriageway road,which isn’t much wider than the wagon itself in Oz,then what’s so different about the roads that they’re using them on over there .
I know most of your driving was done at night but don’t tell me you have never seen a drawbar going down the road with the tail wagging the dog so to speak.
newmercman:
And the biggest problem, the drivers can’t keep the bloody things in a straight line, overtaking one is a nightmare, that’s with decent weather, throw a bit of winter into the mix and they are downright dangerous
Where’s the big issue it’s just a big drawbar outfit pulled by a tractor/semi instead of a rigid.Drawbar outfits aren’t known for weaving all over the road or crashing all over the place in zb weather and if they can keep the things between the lines of an ordinary single carriageway road,which isn’t much wider than the wagon itself in Oz,then what’s so different about the roads that they’re using them on over there .
The differences are numerous. Axle configuration and placement for a start. Length is the obvious one, a twitch on the front is a hell of a weave 100 plus foot back. We’re not talking about about wagon and drags genius so there’s at least one extra point of pivot too.
Furthermore oz roads are not subject to the huge temperature differences of North American roads. The roads NMM et al are referring to are not exactly silky smooth un tramlined paradises.
I’ve dragged short doubles in the US and they wobble enough. I’ve had to hammer past enough of your mobs wobble and drags on the A5 to see how super awesome they are too
As usual the combination of your “genius” , googling and rubbing one out to youtube videos results in yet another epic fail
You don’t know more than those who actually have been there and done it
Here’s another youtube video for you although I suspect you won’t need your usual supply of kleenex for this one
But the inconvient truth for you,judging by your comments concerning ‘wobbling’ wagon and drags ,seems to be that I’ve probably driven more miles in reverse with a wagon and drag than you’ve driven forwards with one and if there’s one thing that they’re good at it’s staying in a straight line.But whatever where the zb is the massive difference between kepping an Oz triples outfit in a straight line between the lines of a single carriage way road on which a ‘wobble’ will obviously be likely to be game over when something comes the other way,compared to a Canadian doubles outfit .
newmercman:
And the biggest problem, the drivers can’t keep the bloody things in a straight line, overtaking one is a nightmare, that’s with decent weather, throw a bit of winter into the mix and they are downright dangerous
Where’s the big issue it’s just a big drawbar outfit pulled by a tractor/semi instead of a rigid.Drawbar outfits aren’t known for weaving all over the road or crashing all over the place in zb weather and if they can keep the things between the lines of an ordinary single carriageway road,which isn’t much wider than the wagon itself in Oz,then what’s so different about the roads that they’re using them on over there .
I know most of your driving was done at night but don’t tell me you have never seen a drawbar going down the road with the tail wagging the dog so to speak.
A frame coupled drawbar outfits never and certainly never when I drove them.However close coupled truck/trailer (caravan type) absolutely.The idea is just a big caravan outfit with all the drawbacks of caravan outfits when it comes to loads and handling.
Carryfast:
But the inconvient truth for you,judging by your comments concerning 'wobbling wagon and drags ,seems to be that I’ve probably driven more miles in reverse with a wagon and drag than you’ve driven forwards with one and if there’s one thing that they’re good at it’s staying in a straight line.But whatever where the zb is the massive difference between kepping an Oz triples outfit in a straight line between the lines of a single carriage way road on which a ‘wobble’ will obviously be likely to be game over when something comes the other way,compared to a Canadian doubles outfit .
In case you missed it above, I will repeat…
Road conditions and axle configurations. Aussies run with the trailer axles at the back North Am generally not unless the load distribution dictates so. This results in a smaller distance between points of articulation and therefore exaggeration of sway. Leverage old chap, physics 101
Not having to endure the temperature differentials of North Am and thus the damaging expansion and contraction the Aus roads tend to be flatter. The further north you go the worst the roads get because of extremes of weather. There was, maybe still is, a road I used a lot that got so battered by it that the right lane was down right lethal with a standard trailer, let alone pups, at some points in the year and trucks were instructed to use the left lane as it was safer.
The aussie roadtrains are a more purpose built beast, not a compromise of standard equipment bogged together. They were developed for purpose not hastily adapted, that’s the key difference. The standard trailer set up is one that will safely “train”.
Oh and I can reverse doubles handy enough thanks Not easy with a wheelbase not far off the length of the trailer We ran highway units not skinny day cabs and only did it at peak times like Thanksgiving, Christmas etc
Using Carryfast’s logic, I have come to the conclusion that the best truck for any operation in any country is the Tata two axled rigid, preferably adorned with lots of religious symbols.
This is how they do things in India, so it must be the way to go
newmercman:
Using Carryfast’s logic, I have come to the conclusion that the best truck for any operation in any country is the Tata two axled rigid, preferably adorned with lots of religious symbols.
This is how they do things in India, so it must be the way to go
newmercman:
Using Carryfast’s logic, I have come to the conclusion that the best truck for any operation in any country is the Tata two axled rigid, preferably adorned with lots of religious symbols.
This is how they do things in India, so it must be the way to go
newmercman:
Using Carryfast’s logic, I have come to the conclusion that the best truck for any operation in any country is the Tata two axled rigid, preferably adorned with lots of religious symbols.
This is how they do things in India, so it must be the way to go
Not possible it’s not double drive
And it would probably be a bit underpowered pulling a 45-53 ft trailer or two behind it but look on the bright side the increase in rates that would obviously result by using four wheelers instead of artics let alone road trains in Oz and North America would probably make up for all that .
dont know about the MAY blitz but …me CVE and the DOT are everywhere at the moment they seem to have a hard on for the company i drive for.
dont know why ? last fine in 05 …well until last wk mmmmmm…
must be bored as restrictions finnished early.
For everyone of those things I’ve over taken driving nice and straight like that, I’ve overtaken an equal amount who are swaying all over the place, often out of their lane and into the shoulder and lane two. Slightest bit of wind, or a pot hole etc and the tail is wagging the dog. Also, at the first sign of snow and ice they’re always the first trucks into the ditch or the central reservation laying on their sides.
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