Turnpikes boil my ****

newmercman:
There’s a tiny flaw in your argument Carryfast…WE AIN"T TALKING ABOUT AUSTRALIA :open_mouth:

It’s all about economies of scale though and surely if it works in Oz then it can only work even better over the distances of North America.I think it’s an old issue that’s already been proved for years because A train outfits are nothing new over there.I think what really held the idea back was that they don’t allow the full potential payload advantages of a doubles outfit to be used to max possible gross weight like the Ozzies do :question: .

newmercman:
There’s a tiny flaw in your argument Carryfast

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Just the one NMM :grimacing:

If Flat mat gets stressed out by the sight of turnpike doubles he is going to be apoplectic when he sees the cover of this months Truck news (truck west) . Lol.
There is a picture relating to the article on Loblaws new turnpike triples. Bloody hell! Three 53’ trailers configured in a roadtrain.
Even the Australians don’t make roadtrains using individual trailers as long as 53’ each. Imagine the potential chaos that could be created by one of their drivers pulling into the Husky in Regina with one of them! Ha ha.
As for Carryfast. Well of course a turnpike double is a more efficient way of moving freight than a standard semi and i should imagine that the big companies such as Bison, Trans X, etc think they are the best thing to happen to the trucking industry in decades but that doesn’t mean they are good for most people. The drivers aren’t exactly getting a good deal at an extra 10c a mile, are they? I wonder why they do it to be honest.
The first company to start using them probably found that they could almost double their revenue by pulling double the freight for a relatively small extra cost but that didn’t last long. Inevitably lots of other companies got wise and the freight rates came down to match the lower costs.
But what if you aren’t a turnpike double and you don’t have lower costs but you still need a load across Western Canada to get you home? What if, like us you haul down to the Southern US and back up to Western Canada and need to finish off the triangle with a load from say Calgary? You can’t turn into a turnpike double and haul home 2 x half priced loads for the price of one and compete with the big boys can you? So you either have to do a single load for Diesel money or come back 1400kms empty. In my opinion the whole scenario stinks to be fair. :frowning:

P.S. Its no wonder turnpike drivers don’t enjoy the camaraderie of most of the long haul drivers is it? Lol.

wire:
If Flat mat gets stressed out by the sight of turnpike doubles he is going to be apoplectic when he sees the cover of this months Truck news (truck west) . Lol.
There is a picture relating to the article on Loblaws new turnpike triples. Bloody hell! Three 53’ trailers configured in a roadtrain.
Even the Australians don’t make roadtrains using individual trailers as long as 53’ each. Imagine the potential chaos that could be created by one of their drivers pulling into the Husky in Regina with one of them! Ha ha.
As for Carryfast. Well of course a turnpike double is a more efficient way of moving freight than a standard semi and i should imagine that the big companies such as Bison, Trans X, etc think they are the best thing to happen to the trucking industry in decades but that doesn’t mean they are good for most people. The drivers aren’t exactly getting a good deal at an extra 10c a mile, are they? I wonder why they do it to be honest.
The first company to start using them probably found that they could almost double their revenue by pulling double the freight for a relatively small extra cost but that didn’t last long. Inevitably lots of other companies got wise and the freight rates came down to match the lower costs.
But what if you aren’t a turnpike double and you don’t have lower costs but you still need a load across Western Canada to get you home? What if, like us you haul down to the Southern US and back up to Western Canada and need to finish off the triangle with a load from say Calgary? You can’t turn into a turnpike double and haul home 2 x half priced loads for the price of one and compete with the big boys can you? So you either have to do a single load for Diesel money or come back 1400kms empty. In my opinion the whole scenario stinks to be fair. :frowning:

Blimey wire this is an old ongoing discussion across loads of different topics.The fact is that transport is always going to be a competitive industry wherever it is.However why is it that there’s so much bad feeling towards trying to make road transport as competitive as possible against other modes because that’s where the issues are.

Where’s the sense in complaining about doubles operators trying to make the job pay and keep freight on the road while not looking at the issue of intermodal which surely adds more to the problems of over capacity than A trains,which have been running over there for years,would.

It’s a positive thing that road transport there at least has some chance to offer a long distance service,using the economies of scale,that doubles and maybe even triples outfits can provide.Which might just keep more freight on the road instead of being in the position of operators maybe having to give up altogether on hauling freight over long distances where there’s an intermodal choice and in which the road option would probably become unviable in the medium to longer term if just limited to single trailer outfits anyway :question: .

In which case you’d probably end up with being stuck with North/South traffic and lose a lot of the East/West traffic eventually anyway unless you can get the outfit enabled to at least be able to haul another trailer in the medium term future so as to remain competitive not only with other road operators but more importantly intermodal East/West rail freight carriers and it’s that which probably explains the (correct) increase in the adoption of the idea of multi trailer outfits among haulage firms :bulb: .

Although having said that even the viability of North/South traffic by road might also become more dependent on the possibility of being able to haul multiple trailer loads in the long term according to the services offered by the intermodal rail freight carriers :question: .

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Although admittedly triples outfits made up of 53 foot trailers does seem like a bit of a liability :open_mouth: although it would be interesting to see how that idea works out in practice and as 53 foot seems to be the common length for trailers over there they probably haven’t got the choice in making that type of outfit up of lesser length trailers and still offering the customers the required service levels :question: .

It’s the issue of long haul sector of the road transport industry,trying to remain competitive in an environment of increasing moves towards intermodal freight transport throughout North America,in the long term,that seems to me to be the most logical reason to explain the issue.As such I would have thought that it’s in the interests of drivers to co operate with that idea not complain about it :question: . :bulb:

I’m just pointing out how turnpike doubles actually impact on my life personally Carryfast.
Sure, in the grand scheme of things the trucking industry has to compete with the rail industry but i’m not sure putting trains on the road is it.

:smiley: I don’t get stressed by them at all,just ■■■■■■ with the number of them running around nowadays and the fact that when you get a few parked together at a gas station,or similar,it makes it nearly impossible to park.Just look down TC1,Virden,Grenfell,Tomkins and Maple Creek,full of the buggers.
Have seen Loblaws triples first hand,whow they are big,but very strictly monitored regarding movement times and weather,and so they should be when you see some of their “drivers”.
Carryfast,give it a break, FFS THIS TOPIC HAS NO RELEVANCE TO LEAFY SUBURBIA,AUSTRALIA,OR WHEREVER ELSE IS RUNNING THROUGH YOUR BRAIN(?) AT THIS MOMENT.

wire:
in the grand scheme of things the trucking industry has to compete with the rail industry but i’m not sure putting trains on the road is it.

I think that’s exactly the difference between the obvious ideas of my and A train operators’ over there view,compared to yours and others on here. :bulb: :wink:

If it was me I’d be thankful that I wasn’t working in the euro environment where the road transport industry has to compete in an environment of pro rail rules and regulations that don’t even allow it to have any chance of competing on a more level playing field like exists there and in Oz.The fact is it’s probably the choice between an ever increasing move towards multi trailer operations,if the long distance sector of the road transport industry wants to survive over there.Or eventually just give up and it just turns into local intermodal road transport operations with rail doing most,if not all,of the long distance work in the long term. :bulb:

flat to the mat:
:Carryfast,give it a break, FFS THIS TOPIC HAS NO RELEVANCE TO AUSTRALIA.

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Blimey some say that,having read this topic,the Ozzies have decided that they’ve been wrong all these years and that they’d have been much better off if road trains had never been invented. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing:

No offence CF as seen from other threads you comment on you sit there doing your 3 hr trunk from one depot to another doing a 10 hr night shift looking at the industry through rose tinted glasses so everything you come out with is 99% BS and 1% dreaming like you 11 hr days 10 hr drives at 65 mph.
The other posters on here are talking from experience you are not.

taffytrucker:
No offence CF as seen from other threads you comment on you sit there doing your 3 hr trunk from one depot to another doing a 10 hr night shift looking at the industry through rose tinted glasses so everything you come out with is 99% BS and 1% dreaming like you 11 hr days 10 hr drives at 65 mph.
The other posters on here are talking from experience you are not.

Whatever my ‘experience’,of what goes on over there might,or might not,be I’m obviously not a million miles away in my ideas from the thinking of those operators who seem to be increasing their levels of interest,in using the option,of hauling more than one trailer behind a tractor unit,where it could be pulling at least two instead.So maybe instead of having a go at me go and tell them that they know zb all as well. :unamused:

Your all wasting your time. Mr Carryfast just gets excited by big trucks which may work in his A to B world but to those of use who have driven in a world where C D E F and G get thrown in we see it’s not the be all and end all.

kr79:
Your all wasting your time. Mr Carryfast just gets excited by big trucks which may work in his A to B world but to those of use who have driven in a world where C D E F and G get thrown in we see it’s not the be all and end all.

Admittedly that triples outfit made up of 53 foot trailers and decent conventional unit might be a ‘bit’ of a problem when it has to be taken through the centre of London. :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Might be a bit of a problem off a road thats not fairly straight more like.

Ah so this is where you’ve been hanging out Carryfast, the Ex-Pat British Truckers forum (?!). Good to see your telling those guys in north america how it’s actually done. I’m sure they appreciate the very valuable advice.

I’m off now because just like you I know nothing about North American transport, or Australian for that matter. Unlike you I actually know that. Toodles.

My company operate turnpikes between Steinbach, Regina, Saskatoon, Edmonton and Calgary and for me they have been an absolute blessing, I don’t have to run West very often :laughing: :laughing:
All joking aside they have a huge impact on the industry, 2 loads being shifted at once is true but cant run at max gvw that normally would be run by 1 single 53ft, there are strict restrictions on the weights, lighter trailer must be at back and be a certain % lighter than lead trailer etc. I dont think we will have much to fear from Loblaws triples, they only have authority to run 2 outfits between Regina and Sask Mon-Fri in daylight hours and once their new recruits are finished with them I dont see them being around for long.
Now lets look at it, we were having the same argument when the gvw went from 32t to 38 and tri axles were introduced. If the company you are working for is suffering because of turnpikes then that is because they refuse to move with the times and are living in the dark ages. :open_mouth: :wink:
They are here to stay and if the dinosaurs dont evolve then they will soon be extinct, same as when EOBRs get introduced but that`s a whole other topic, bring it on :laughing: :laughing:

I’ve just done a run out west and have to agree with FTTM, the parking situation in MB and SK is bad enough, what little parking there is has been turned into staging areas for the turnpikes on a relay, so if you do manage to find a spot in some dirty stinking pot hole ridden piece of wasteland, you then have to put up with the turnpikes doing their trailer swaps, not the best environment for getting a good kip :unamused:

Then there’s the ones that are abandoned anywhere near a Tim Hortons, usually on the shoulder as they can’t be bothered to or are too big to park properly, it’s a joke :unamused:

And the biggest problem, the drivers can’t keep the bloody things in a straight line, overtaking one is a nightmare, that’s with decent weather, throw a bit of winter into the mix and they are downright dangerous :unamused:

At the risk of moaning as much as Pat Hasler…Has anyone encounted the annual spring inspections yet ? Had one today on h/way 11 and the monkey put me out of service because the pressure test on my trailer was out of date.It wasn’t, but his piece of paper from Transport Canada said it was valid for 5 yrs when in fact it’s valid for 10.After numerous phone calls,the funniest was from his boss when the error was explained and he had to let me on my merry way after a wasted hour :unamused:
Oh well,Montana tomorrow,so no Pikes and I can avoid the scales :laughing:

newmercman:
I’ve just done a run out west and have to agree with FTTM, the parking situation in MB and SK is bad enough, what little parking there is has been turned into staging areas for the turnpikes on a relay, so if you do manage to find a spot in some dirty stinking pot hole ridden piece of wasteland, you then have to put up with the turnpikes doing their trailer swaps, not the best environment for getting a good kip :unamused:

Then there’s the ones that are abandoned anywhere near a Tim Hortons, usually on the shoulder as they can’t be bothered to or are too big to park properly, it’s a joke :unamused:

And the biggest problem, the drivers can’t keep the bloody things in a straight line, overtaking one is a nightmare, that’s with decent weather, throw a bit of winter into the mix and they are downright dangerous :unamused:

You’ve tried Maple Creek then LOL :smiley:

flat to the mat:
At the risk of moaning as much as Pat Hasler…Has anyone encounted the annual spring inspections yet ? Had one today on h/way 11 and the monkey put me out of service because the pressure test on my trailer was out of date.It wasn’t, but his piece of paper from Transport Canada said it was valid for 5 yrs when in fact it’s valid for 10.After numerous phone calls,the funniest was from his boss when the error was explained and he had to let me on my merry way after a wasted hour :unamused:
Oh well,Montana tomorrow,so no Pikes and I can avoid the scales :laughing:

Firstly … You cheeky [zb].
Secondly … I was thinking the same thing the other day ! We normally get a message over peoplenet warning us of the 72 hour DOT blitz which is usually in May.
Thirdly … You cheeky [zb].

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