Grumpy_old_trucker:
Ban you for 6 months hopefully and empty your bank account!
Just exactly how do you think as a professional driver you can even begin to justify driving a truck with your phone to your ear with all the publicity that this “crime” has received in recent years is beyond me.
Just what would you advocate for a serious driving offence? Ban for life maybe?
Its a mobile phone offence, no puppies run over or kittens squashed in the process.
As for having to answer to the TC, its ridiculous. The guys already been punished with points and fine, what other country punishes someone twice for the same offence
The USA, where it is perfectly legal to be tried thrice for certain offenses if you are a serving member of the military and twice if you are civilian.
Olog Hai:
Ignoring the barrack room lawyers, the guy who quotes the Senior TC’s guidance is correct. That’s what the guidance says. However, it was issued by the former Senior TC, and TCs may deviate from what is laid down if they see a good reason to. It also comes down to which TC it concerns… if you did it in the North West then it’s probably good news for you that Beverley Bell is no longer in post.
The new TC has issued revised statutory documents, that part doesn’t appear to have been revised.
But you are correct, each TC can use their initiative.
I always prefer to give the worst case scenario - that way there can only be pleasant surprises.
Trucker-Si:
I got tugged a while ago for picking up my phone whilst driving, after speaking/grovelling to the copper i asked if I’d be reported to the tc, he told me it was at his discretion and after a 5 minute chat and lecture he said he’d recommend me for a drive safe course rather than points and fine, and this time he wouldn’t report me…
Lesson learn’t, I now own a plantronics voyager legend Bluetooth device, awesome bit of kit and hoghly recommended for full time drivers [emoji106]
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Unfortunately I believe it is the DVLA inform the TC when they add the endorsement. I may be wtong
Trucker-Si:
I got tugged a while ago for picking up my phone whilst driving, after speaking/grovelling to the copper i asked if I’d be reported to the tc, he told me it was at his discretion and after a 5 minute chat and lecture he said he’d recommend me for a drive safe course rather than points and fine, and this time he wouldn’t report me…
Lesson learn’t, I now own a plantronics voyager legend Bluetooth device, awesome bit of kit and hoghly recommended for full time drivers [emoji106]
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Unfortunately I believe it is the DVLA inform the TC when they add the endorsement. I may be wtong
Actually it is your boss. As a O-Licence holder or a named person on an O-Licence you agree to an undertaking to inform the OoTC of any prosecution or FPN which might affect someone’s suitability or fitness to hold a vocational licence.
And did you deliberately mis-spell wrong? Gave me a little giggle that did.
Right, firstly I don’t use a mobile when driving on non hands free, as I’ve no desire to get points and a fine.
On the other hand playing Devil’s Advocate for a minute, and ignoring the stats (any stats can be massaged to prove any point desired) and ignoring the propaganda used to ram the point home…
So question is…Is using a mobile when driving any more dangerous than…
You lads who still use CBs.
Listening to and being engrossed in,.The Archers or some discussion on the radio.
Simply talking to a passenger.
We’ve all done these on the Mway and passed an MSA or something without remembering it…aka Autopilot.
Thing is the older ones among us ALL (including the self righteous) used mobiles or as they were then fixed car/truck phones, (got my first in 1983) when driving when they first came out, …that is what they were primarily designed for.
We continued to use them up to about 15 or so years ago, and thought nothing about it…then the next day it was deemed dangerous and illegal, in other words on Monday it was safe, Tuesday it was dangerous.
When txting came on the scene that took things to another level in terms of dangerous acts whilst driving, so they banned everything to do with phones.
Do you get my point, or have I explained it badly?
So the o/p…this guy was caught, he will get done…and quite rightly so, no arguments.
Whether he should try and wriggle out of it is up to him and his conscience, and ■■■■ all to do with anyone else.
He’s came on here admitting he’s done wrong (brave stupid or both) he knows he’s made a ■■■■ of himself, he accepts he’s getting nicked,…so why tf give the guy a hard time.
Let he who cast the first stone etc etc,
And before the Paragons of Virtue on here bust a gut to rush on and have a pop at me with the old chestnuts… ''What if it was your family/dog/kitten/Aunt who is a nun etc etc …Read the first line of my post again, and google Devil’s advocate.!
robroy:
Right, firstly I don’t use a mobile when driving on non hands free, as I’ve no desire to get points and a fine.
On the other hand playing Devil’s Advocate for a minute, and ignoring the stats (any stats can be massaged to prove any point desired) and ignoring the propaganda used to ram the point home…
So question is…Is using a mobile when driving any more dangerous than…
You lads who still use CBs.
Listening to and being engrossed in,.The Archers or some discussion on the radio.
Simply talking to a passenger.
We’ve all done these on the Mway and passed an MSA or something without remembering it…aka Autopilot.
Thing is the older ones among us ALL (including the self righteous) used mobiles or as they were then fixed car/truck phones, (got my first in 1983) when driving when they first came out, …that is what they were primarily designed for.
We continued to use them up to about 15 or so years ago, and thought nothing about it…then the next day it was deemed dangerous and illegal, in other words on Monday it was safe, Tuesday it was dangerous.
When txting came on the scene that took things to another level in terms of dangerous acts whilst driving, so they banned everything to do with phones.
Do you get my point, or have I explained it badly?
So the o/p…this guy was caught, he will get done…and quite rightly so, no arguments.
Whether he should try and wriggle out of it is up to him and his conscience, and [zb] all to do with anyone else.
He’s came on here admitting he’s done wrong (brave stupid or both) he knows he’s made a [zb] of himself, he accepts he’s getting nicked,…so why tf give the guy a hard time.
Let he who cast the first stone etc etc,
And before the Paragons of Virtue on here bust a gut to rush on and have a pop at me with the old chestnuts… ''What if it was your family/dog/kitten/Aunt who is a nun etc etc …Read the first line of my post again, and google Devil’s advocate.!
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This all day long.
The guys not hurt anyone and hes been punished for his ‘crime’.
Btw- my very first phone was one of those transportables, the one with the 12v car battery attached. Imagine the laughs carrying that about today…
RBM1:
Was a bad error of judgment which im not proud of and goes without saying i wont be making the same mistake again.
Would i still be expecting to see the traffic commisioner or is the issue dealt with already with the FPN?
Seriously, a bad error of judgement? You are fully aware it’s illegal. And got what you deserved, personally, and no dog at you but all truck drivers and car drivers on the phone should get an instant 3 month driving ban.
Absolutely no excuse to have a phone in the hand to ear unless for the purpose of a 999 call.
discoman:
Absolutely no excuse to have a phone in the hand to ear unless for the purpose of a 999 call.
And even then you’d get nicked.
I’m sure I read somewhere that a guy got done in a car pulled over, stopped safely on roadside with his engine running. This is the good old UK mate, any opportunity to make a quick buck and smugly justify it under the Road Safety agenda, have you never heard of ‘‘Safety’’ cameras for example.
Is it dangerous? Everyone on here must see everyday how easy it is to spot a driver on the phone. Not from seeing the phone but the tell tale lane wandering and the speed control going out the window, usually slowing too much.
Really??
This is where things predictably and inevitably get blown out of all proportion.
If I had a choice between stepping out in front of a guy on a phone, or another with 10 pints and 5 whiskeys on board, I’d take the phone guy every time .
Really??
This is where things predictably and inevitably get blown out of all proportion.
If I had a choice between stepping out in front of a guy on a phone, or another with 10 pints and 5 whiskeys on board, I’d take the phone guy every time .
That’s true. The guy on the phone could call the ambulance straight away.
Breaking the Law,as many of us have and still do more by habit than intentional,but with all the adverse publicity about phone use by LGV Drivers in particular, Drivers should be more aware of what they are doing and think about changing that habit.
Its the same habit as releasing your seat belt in preparation a few yards before you actually stop because your only moving a few yards at a slow speed,your still breaking the law.
Dipper_Dave:
I feel for the OP a bit, he went from asking a good question to being public enemy numero uno.
That said we have to set an example so some of the more hysterical reactions may be justified to a point.
I think people like the OP, are at best naive when they post such online. Firstly: The audience cannot be vetted… none of us will necessarily know what each other’s experiences might be. What for some is trivia, to others might just be a hurtful reminder of something deeply painful.
His punishment is his responsibility… he should not expect a pat on the back. Especially on TNUK… the site of the most intelligent drivers on earth.
Really??
This is where things predictably and inevitably get blown out of all proportion.
If I had a choice between stepping out in front of a guy on a phone, or another with 10 pints and 5 whiskeys on board, I’d take the phone guy every time .
It’s fascinating how this issue has been engineered over the years to point we are at now where some people are so hysterical about phone use they see it as on a par with drink driving. A lot of people on this forum seen to like to try and outdo each other in the outrage stakes when someone admits using a phone
Really??
This is where things predictably and inevitably get blown out of all proportion.
If I had a choice between stepping out in front of a guy on a phone, or another with 10 pints and 5 whiskeys on board, I’d take the phone guy every time .
It’s fascinating how this issue has been engineered over the years to point we are at now where some people are so hysterical about phone use they see it as on a par with drink driving. A lot of people on this forum seen to like to try and outdo each other in the outrage stakes when someone admits using a phone
Exactly, a life ban and all the rest of it ?
Why not go the whole hog and execute him at dawn.
That would be too lenient for some on here, they would insist he should be tortured first.
