Sledges are still in use for tarmac laying, a local farm had their drive relayed a couple of years ago and the contractor used one. Sidewinders were another strange thing to tip on until you became used to them, it was tempting at first to feather the brakes as they were quite fast compared to a paver but of course you couldn’t run off of them and got a right bollocking if you did brake. You did need to keep in a dead straight line with the machine though or all sorts of problems occoured!
windrush:
Sledges are still in use for tarmac laying, a local farm had their drive relayed a couple of years ago and the contractor used one. Sidewinders were another strange thing to tip on until you became used to them, it was tempting at first to feather the brakes as they were quite fast compared to a paver but of course you couldn’t run off of them and got a right bollocking if you did brake. You did need to keep in a dead straight line with the machine though or all sorts of problems occoured!
Pete.
Holy moly ! I must have led a sheltered life. What the hell is a sidewinder then Pete
coomsey:
Interesting Dave !
Back to the plot, cos most of rollover probs seem to be from olden days, are modern tippers less prone or is H n S working ? Can you still fit twin rams or underfloor gear ? N having seen that bit of kit in Oltreader video can you have Hoyner type tipper ?
Twin rams were very iffy , I’ve had a few that went up uneven and an old atki with underfloor rams that had worn threads on the ram collars that was prone to one ram jumping out . It never actually went over but everybody in range got bathed in hydraulic oil .Modern single rams are much more stable and rollovers are usually caused by bad practise rather than mechanical failure. I’ve seen people tipping at silly angles but you can’t blame the lorry for that.
Iffys the word for em. having said that all the dumpers I drove had twin underfloor jobs n could stand anything you threw at em.
I,m on a roll now !
Jockey of this mount tried less orthodox method of offloading quicker than more conventional ways. He weren,t in cab at the time he made a jump for it, the wimp. Broke both his legs mind. Truck were only year old,went onto low loader never to be seen again
coomsey:
Holy moly ! I must have led a sheltered life. What the hell is a sidewinder then Pete
One of these, I’m surprised you never encountered one.
They clamp the rollers on around your wheels and away you go, they have total control over you. If you have tyre valve extensions you may just lose them though, plus the air from your tyres!!
coomsey:
Holy moly ! I must have led a sheltered life. What the hell is a sidewinder then Pete
One of these, I’m surprised you never encountered one.
They clamp the rollers on around your wheels and away you go, they have total control over you. If you have tyre valve extensions you may just lose them though, plus the air from your tyres!!
Pete.
No never seen one or heard of one. Whenever I got involved with paths it were hand lay n as you know a drawn out affair. Looks the biz to me
coomsey:
Holy moly ! I must have led a sheltered life. What the hell is a sidewinder then Pete
One of these, I’m surprised you never encountered one.
They clamp the rollers on around your wheels and away you go, they have total control over you. If you have tyre valve extensions you may just lose them though, plus the air from your tyres!!
Pete.
Poxy bloody things! I hated them with a passion!! There were a few of us in our place that liked to keep the wagons as smart as possible and these things used to dent the wings, scratch the hell out of the wheels and generally damage the wagon if you weren’t very careful…especially If you had a machine driver that couldn’t keep in a straight line
We soon learnt though - if it looked like it was going to hit the wagon we just stood on the brakes and brought it all to a standstill! The drivers and crew used to start shouting and bawling but they soon learnt after a while - there was more than one occasion when the body went down, handbrake on and the tacho went on break With luck, they then banned us from the job
coomsey:
Holy moly ! I must have led a sheltered life. What the hell is a sidewinder then Pete
One of these, I’m surprised you never encountered one.
They clamp the rollers on around your wheels and away you go, they have total control over you. If you have tyre valve extensions you may just lose them though, plus the air from your tyres!!
Pete.
Poxy bloody things! I hated them with a passion!! There were a few of us in our place that liked to keep the wagons as smart as possible and these things used to dent the wings, scratch the hell out of the wheels and generally damage the wagon if you weren’t very careful…especially If you had a machine driver that couldn’t keep in a straight
We soon learnt though - if it looked like it was going to hit the wagon we just stood on the brakes and brought it all to a standstill! The drivers and crew used to start shouting and bawling but they soon learnt after a while - there was more than one occasion when the body went down, handbrake on and the tacho went on break With luck, they then banned us from the job
Maybe they weren,t about when I were on it. I was thinking what a marvellous bit o kit now I,m thinking poxy. I do know that when you had 10/20 ton being hand layed it were a long long long day ! Tipper up n down like an actresses knickers.
Just a bit of info on this.
We were backfilling n creating ramp/road from one coal seam to lower about 300ft. As the norm it were short n steep, we went down n did u turn to tip very very steady cos once you were broadside felt like a ducks ■■■■ would have you over. This guy said brake failed, we all thought too fast. He never went up the road as he surely would have if his brain had failed. BIG choice for him, 12ft jump at 30mph or cab ? Looking at aftermath I,d say jump, who wouldn,t Took some balls I reckon !
pete smith:
Only seen a couple of this type of tipping gear, it’s a wonder the ram never pushed the body off the chassis!
O M G Pete. I,m surprised you seen any. Bet the lorry were a couple a foot longer at end of it,s life. Wonder if they tried one on a artic.
P S It were that bad I thought there was a fault on photo cos I couldn,t see ram
pete smith:
Only seen a couple of this type of tipping gear, it’s a wonder the ram never pushed the body off the chassis!
O M G Pete. I,m surprised you seen any. Bet the lorry were a couple a foot longer at end of it,s life. Wonder if they tried one on a artic.
P S It were that bad I thought there was a fault on photo cos I couldn,t see ram
Not in the flesh Coomsey! You would never get one on an artic,I would imagine the body would be too long to tip using that system.
pete smith:
Only seen a couple of this type of tipping gear, it’s a wonder the ram never pushed the body off the chassis!
O M G Pete. I,m surprised you seen any. Bet the lorry were a couple a foot longer at end of it,s life. Wonder if they tried one on a artic.
P S It were that bad I thought there was a fault on photo cos I couldn,t see ram
Not in the flesh Coomsey! You would never get one on an artic,I would imagine the body would be too long to tip using that system.
If they put one on artic bet nobody would stand near it first go. Empty. Can,t imagine why they manufactured it, no obvious weight or maintenance saving possibly the opposite. If I,d looked over designers shoulder n seen his drawing maybe said to him " for gods sake just LOOK at it". Do you get the feeling the designer,manufacturer n boss all the same man ?
pete smith:
Only seen a couple of this type of tipping gear, it’s a wonder the ram never pushed the body off the chassis!
O M G Pete. I,m surprised you seen any. Bet the lorry were a couple a foot longer at end of it,s life. Wonder if they tried one on a artic.
P S It were that bad I thought there was a fault on photo cos I couldn,t see ram
Can’t see a problem with that system, it worked fine on this Euclid!
Retired Old ■■■■:
George Neville made similar trailers to the Hoynor, also dumper trailers that tipped in the same manner. Somewhere on this site there are photos.
I had Rothdean build one of their ally bulk bodies on a refurbished Hoynor chassis- it was brilliant and never caused me a moment’s worry when tipping. This was in the 32ton, 4-axle days, of course.
Hi ROF,
Here is one of Nevilles dump trailers, pic is DTR’s, going back to the “full sized” versions Mc Governs ran plenty of them on the rubbish tipping on landfill sites so that would be a good test for stability,2nd pic ( belongs to JonB1973) and would be another good stability test being on the scrap!
I drove those nevilles on two jobs . First job they were behind leyland badgers without power steering which made them a sod to reverse , but they carried 16 tons at 24ton gross . They also had an in cab trailer brakes which made things easier . The second job was behind aec marshalls , again 16 to payload , but no trailer brake . They were useless as they were on tarmac to the m62 and wouldn’t tip into a paver . It was a brs contracts job so i suppose some clueless suit thought they would be a good idea . Dave
Big learning curve when you first go onto pavers. I took my eye off the ball in the early days n dropped a couple o ton in front of machine, you,d have thought I,d ate a baby! The boys on that machine never forgot me, months later I was still getting some stick. I never saw an artic on hot stuff back then,let alone a Hoyner type, surely an impossibility to tip.
As I said in another topic you get what you,re given,no choice. In your case might have cost you, cos hot always paid better than dry stone my neck of the woods.
With luck, they then banned us from the job 
