George Neville made similar trailers to the Hoynor, also dumper trailers that tipped in the same manner. Somewhere on this site there are photos.
I had Rothdean build one of their ally bulk bodies on a refurbished Hoynor chassis- it was brilliant and never caused me a moment’s worry when tipping. This was in the 32ton, 4-axle days, of course.
Retired Old ■■■■:
George Neville made similar trailers to the Hoynor, also dumper trailers that tipped in the same manner. Somewhere on this site there are photos.
I had Rothdean build one of their ally bulk bodies on a refurbished Hoynor chassis- it was brilliant and never caused me a moment’s worry when tipping. This was in the 32ton, 4-axle days, of course.
Hi ROF,
Here is one of Nevilles dump trailers, pic is DTR’s, going back to the “full sized” versions Mc Governs ran plenty of them on the rubbish tipping on landfill sites so that would be a good test for stability,2nd pic ( belongs to JonB1973) and would be another good stability test being on the scrap!
coomsey:
rigsby:
Last job before i retired i had a triaxle rear wheel steer that tipped like a hoyner . I was never happy with it , there’s a big difference between 20 tons on the hoyner and 29 tons on that thing. It’s a lot of weight on 4 tyres and a tipping ram . i think they got rid of it after i left . Davewhose thing were that then Dave? what year?
As you may have read they looked not quiet right to my eye .The evidence up to now says different. Confidence in the bit of kit you,re using is no bad thing
Confidence. The feeling you get just before you fall over ! Well known Bulgarian proverb
I can’t remember what the make was , the boss took it as payment of a bad debt , i reckon he was robbed . the job i was on required reversing up a ramp to tip in a bunker , about 15’ high and washed sand could make the pulse race a bit . I tipped it up and then stood at the front until the load moved .
Talking of tippers, back in the seventies I was driving a bulk tipper trailer built by ‘Penco’ (Peterborough Engineering Company) but have never seen another on the road, surely I never had the only one? As I recall it was problem free and carried over 20 tons behind the Guy Big J and could get a couple of cwt over 21 ton behind the Leyland Buffalo, that was with the higher sides built for Grain and coal haulage. We always ran with the hydraulic pump from the unit but some used a donkey engine built on the trailer.
rigsby:
coomsey:
rigsby:
Last job before i retired i had a triaxle rear wheel steer that tipped like a hoyner . I was never happy with it , there’s a big difference between 20 tons on the hoyner and 29 tons on that thing. It’s a lot of weight on 4 tyres and a tipping ram . i think they got rid of it after i left . Davewhose thing were that then Dave? what year?
As you may have read they looked not quiet right to my eye .The evidence up to now says different. Confidence in the bit of kit you,re using is no bad thing
Confidence. The feeling you get just before you fall over ! Well known Bulgarian proverbI can’t remember what the make was , the boss took it as payment of a bad debt , i reckon he was robbed . the job i was on required reversing up a ramp to tip in a bunker , about 15’ high and washed sand could make the pulse race a bit . I tipped it up and then stood at the front until the load moved .
By the sound of that I,d be along side of you. Often you,d see guys who,d pop em into gear hop out n open up tailgate n watch em ■■■■ up, not for me I liked to be in cab don,t know why, until this. Load of very wet singles for Watford way. She had double barn doors held with one handle, used a small bar to release clip then with deft hop back chain doors back n away you go. Not so deft hop barn doors missed my cheeks by an inch, onto my back n up to my neck under ton of coal.CHRIST!! Struggled out soaked to the skin n blacker than the hogs of hell. If she,d been in gear!!■■
oiltreader:
Anti tip over sensor youtube.com/watch?v=IBfg4ZHYBag
Oily
Well I,ll go to the bottom of my stairs! That looked the business. That also begs the question who did design the Hoyner type tipper, us or yanks ?
pete smith:
Retired Old ■■■■:
George Neville made similar trailers to the Hoynor, also dumper trailers that tipped in the same manner. Somewhere on this site there are photos.
I had Rothdean build one of their ally bulk bodies on a refurbished Hoynor chassis- it was brilliant and never caused me a moment’s worry when tipping. This was in the 32ton, 4-axle days, of course.Hi ROF,
Here is one of Nevilles dump trailers, pic is DTR’s, going back to the “full sized” versions Mc Governs ran plenty of them on the rubbish tipping on landfill sites so that would be a good test for stability,2nd pic ( belongs to JonB1973) and would be another good stability test being on the scrap!
I remember Normans motors I were on scrap n coal for a good while. Tipping coal no prob,scrap usually ok except oversize n my dread scrap engine/gearboxes. I ended up on 8whlr with steel body so got engines 5/6 times a month. To get full whack over the top of coal sides, they used to come out like a bag of sh*t. Put her into gear n wap it up as quick as poss. Been times when 1/2 load would be stuck up top half n on one memorable occasion I cocked her up n a nut n bolt fell out. A gearbox shaft had gone through body n held the lot back. She were still on top ram n scrap yard fella picked up a crowbar with a mind to free it !!! Dropped body n he burnt it off, job done. But yes scrap would test stability
MrJake:
Talking of tippers, back in the seventies I was driving a bulk tipper trailer built by ‘Penco’ (Peterborough Engineering Company) but have never seen another on the road, surely I never had the only one? As I recall it was problem free and carried over 20 tons behind the Guy Big J and could get a couple of cwt over 21 ton behind the Leyland Buffalo, that was with the higher sides built for Grain and coal haulage. We always ran with the hydraulic pump from the unit but some used a donkey engine built on the trailer.
I,ve never heard of em. Wouldn,t it be great if you were the one n only.
pete smith:
Retired Old ■■■■:
George Neville made similar trailers to the Hoynor, also dumper trailers that tipped in the same manner. Somewhere on this site there are photos.
I had Rothdean build one of their ally bulk bodies on a refurbished Hoynor chassis- it was brilliant and never caused me a moment’s worry when tipping. This was in the 32ton, 4-axle days, of course.Hi ROF,
Here is one of Nevilles dump trailers, pic is DTR’s, going back to the “full sized” versions Mc Governs ran plenty of them on the rubbish tipping on landfill sites so that would be a good test for stability,2nd pic ( belongs to JonB1973) and would be another good stability test being on the scrap!
I drove those nevilles on two jobs . First job they were behind leyland badgers without power steering which made them a sod to reverse , but they carried 16 tons at 24ton gross . They also had an in cab trailer brakes which made things easier . The second job was behind aec marshalls , again 16 to payload , but no trailer brake . They were useless as they were on tarmac to the m62 and wouldn’t tip into a paver . It was a brs contracts job so i suppose some clueless suit thought they would be a good idea . Dave
rigsby:
pete smith:
Retired Old ■■■■:
George Neville made similar trailers to the Hoynor, also dumper trailers that tipped in the same manner. Somewhere on this site there are photos.
I had Rothdean build one of their ally bulk bodies on a refurbished Hoynor chassis- it was brilliant and never caused me a moment’s worry when tipping. This was in the 32ton, 4-axle days, of course.Hi ROF,
Here is one of Nevilles dump trailers, pic is DTR’s, going back to the “full sized” versions Mc Governs ran plenty of them on the rubbish tipping on landfill sites so that would be a good test for stability,2nd pic ( belongs to JonB1973) and would be another good stability test being on the scrap!I drove those nevilles on two jobs . First job they were behind leyland badgers without power steering which made them a sod to reverse , but they carried 16 tons at 24ton gross . They also had an in cab trailer brakes which made things easier . The second job was behind aec marshalls , again 16 to payload , but no trailer brake . They were useless as they were on tarmac to the m62 and wouldn’t tip into a paver . It was a brs contracts job so i suppose some clueless suit thought they would be a good idea . Dave
Big learning curve when you first go onto pavers. I took my eye off the ball in the early days n dropped a couple o ton in front of machine, you,d have thought I,d ate a baby! The boys on that machine never forgot me, months later I was still getting some stick. I never saw an artic on hot stuff back then,let alone a Hoyner type, surely an impossibility to tip.
As I said in another topic you get what you,re given,no choice. In your case might have cost you, cos hot always paid better than dry stone my neck of the woods.
I’ve seen he extremes with pavers . back in the 60s a few of the local councils he’d " sledges ". a steel frame hook to the back spring hangers with an adjustable slide so that as it was dragged along the tarmac came out the back end at the set depth . Then there was the paver on the m1 at j30 , 3 lorries tipping side by side laying 2 lanes at a time . hells bells that was nearly 50 years ago , i think i’ll have a lie down in a dark room now . Dave
rigsby:
I’ve seen he extremes with pavers . back in the 60s a few of the local councils he’d " sledges ". a steel frame hook to the back spring hangers with an adjustable slide so that as it was dragged along the tarmac came out the back end at the set depth . Then there was the paver on the m1 at j30 , 3 lorries tipping side by side laying 2 lanes at a time . hells bells that was nearly 50 years ago , i think i’ll have a lie down in a dark room now . Dave
Sledge! never dreamed of such a thing, were it any good ? I had spell running to multiple laying machine in my mind I think it did 3 lanes n hard shoulder, but not sure. That were Breedon Hill to M69 wet mix, my god there were a lot of lorries on that job. Used to run nights stockpiling at site to keep the thing working. It looked like a stretched container carrier did you think, American? 40 yrs ago ,leave a bit of space for me in room n I might bring bottle of Jamesons n couple o glasses
coomsey:
rigsby:
I’ve seen he extremes with pavers . back in the 60s a few of the local councils he’d " sledges ". a steel frame hook to the back spring hangers with an adjustable slide so that as it was dragged along the tarmac came out the back end at the set depth . Then there was the paver on the m1 at j30 , 3 lorries tipping side by side laying 2 lanes at a time . hells bells that was nearly 50 years ago , i think i’ll have a lie down in a dark room now . DaveSledge! never dreamed of such a thing, were it any good ? I had spell running to multiple laying machine in my mind I think it did 3 lanes n hard shoulder, but not sure. That were Breedon Hill to M69 wet mix, my god there were a lot of lorries on that job. Used to run nights stockpiling at site to keep the thing working. It looked like a stretched container carrier did you think, American? 40 yrs ago ,leave a bit of space for me in room n I might bring bottle of Jamesons n couple o glasses
Those sledges are only used on half inch or less , but they worked if you took your time and tipped a little at a time . Those were the days when councils had to spend the last of the year’s money before april to get the same allotment next year , so we were busy in march doing patching and doing back streets .We ran from the old granite quarry on the a6 south of buxton , long gone now .
Interesting Dave !
Back to the plot, cos most of rollover probs seem to be from olden days, are modern tippers less prone or is H n S working ? Can you still fit twin rams or underfloor gear ? N having seen that bit of kit in Oltreader video can you have Hoyner type tipper ?
Drove an 8 wheel tipper for about a year never had a problem.
But the company ran some dump trucks that I managed to tip over, lucky its just the back end that goes over. The boss laughed and said they had been waiting for me to do it and gave me a new one for the rest of the job!
coomsey:
Interesting Dave !
Back to the plot, cos most of rollover probs seem to be from olden days, are modern tippers less prone or is H n S working ? Can you still fit twin rams or underfloor gear ? N having seen that bit of kit in Oltreader video can you have Hoyner type tipper ?
Twin rams were very iffy , I’ve had a few that went up uneven and an old atki with underfloor rams that had worn threads on the ram collars that was prone to one ram jumping out . It never actually went over but everybody in range got bathed in hydraulic oil .Modern single rams are much more stable and rollovers are usually caused by bad practise rather than mechanical failure. I’ve seen people tipping at silly angles but you can’t blame the lorry for that.
One of my mounts after I came off the road. Dozy dozer driver hid soft spot on backfill. Back nearside up to the axle, I nearly s**t myself. Foreman says ■■■■ her up,weren,t keen but up she went n then D9 pushed me out. Had a sweat on though.
coomsey:
One of my mounts after I came off the road. Dozy dozer driver hid soft spot on backfill. Back nearside up to the axle, I nearly s**t myself. Foreman says ■■■■ her up,weren,t keen but up she went n then D9 pushed me out. Had a sweat on though.
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coomsey:
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One of my mounts after I came off the road. Dozy dozer driver hid soft spot on backfill. Back nearside up to the axle, I nearly s**t myself. Foreman says ■■■■ her up,weren,t keen but up she went n then D9 pushed me out. Had a sweat on though.
By the way I,m the good looking one in truck
pete smith:
coomsey:
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One of my mounts after I came off the road. Dozy dozer driver hid soft spot on backfill. Back nearside up to the axle, I nearly s**t myself. Foreman says ■■■■ her up,weren,t keen but up she went n then D9 pushed me out. Had a sweat on though..
Thanks Pete it were doing my head in