I’ve only ever done Aldi and Lidl a couple of times each and the first time I did it was the first time I had ever used an electric pallet truck.
Seems strange from a H&S point of view that some places won’t let you anywhere near the load and make you sit in a box while others let you loose with a ton of baked beans on a machine you have never used before.
Mystery Action:
I’ve only ever done Aldi and Lidl a couple of times each and the first time I did it was the first time I had ever used an electric pallet truck.Seems strange from a H&S point of view that some places won’t let you anywhere near the load and make you sit in a box while others let you loose with a ton of baked beans on a machine you have never used before.
Don’t be conned into thinking that H&S is a genuine concept mate, it is just an arse covering scheme to avoid litigation and a by product of this it has also became a money making whole new industry (a lot like the dcpc in fact)
It is only applicable to the likes of us when it suits ‘them’ (whichever authoritative body that ‘them’ may be at the time) and they decide when and how it does apply to us, but mostly it is biased towards them.
A cynical, but nevertheless true version of events.
the nodding donkey:
I’ve never had a problem at Aldi. Usually in and out within the hour.Just try imagine having to deal with 60 or so drivers. Some will be smart, some will be clever, some will be professional, some will have the mental capacity of a five year old, some have an attitude problem, some will make you retch and heave as they lean in through your hatch. Every day there will be the smart arse, giving it the ‘I’m not insured/trained/paid’ to do this, ‘it’s against my human rights’, 'I’m a driver not a warehouse lackey ’
How difficult is it to put pallets in the right order in a line? If you struggle with that, you should not be driving anytbing bigger than a Micra. On L plates. Putting pallets in the right order in a line is because the big pallet movers pick six pallets at a time to move them to the warehouse. If they can do that quickly, it means that there is room for the next truck to unload. Maybe you. Or would you prefer to wait for an hour whilst the warehouse staff do it?
Drivers cry when they have to unload, and cry when they have to wait for warehouse staff to unload them. Just grow up, and shut up.
Post of the year right here.
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robroy:
rob22888:
Call me crazy, maybe because I started my driving days on Class 2 multidrop retail work, but I have always seen our role as drivers as delivering goods to customers. Sometimes that may involve taking the gear off the back of the truck for them. Afterall, the job isn’t done & the goods aren’t the property of the recipient until it’s off the truck and signed for.It’s great & a perk of the job that in most cases (certainly as a Class 1 driver) you get to sit there whilst somebody else does it, but why should lorry drivers have a divine right to hours sat around being paid to do nothing? You don’t see supermarket drivers complaining about pulling cages off the trailer, brewery drivers moaning about lifting kegs off the trailer, tanker drivers complaining about connecting all the pipes up and taking charge, or parcel firm drivers whinging about having to tail lift pallets onto the wagon at collections etc. etc. They are all employed as ‘drivers’ just like the rest of us. The fuss about self tipping at Aldi is nothing more than spoilt drivers upset that they can’t get their usual paid 2 hour kip on the bunk in.
Mate, you and many others miss the point completely here.
The way I see it, it aint about complaining or moaning about Aldi/Lidl self tips, it’s a principle situation.I’ll just get it out of the way first that in real terms I don’t mind too much, as it’s good excercise and a little bit of mild graft that won’t kill you…end of.
However, given a choice, if I have hauled a load of whatever, from either abroad or this country to a multi million pound supermarket network, I would EXPECT for them to provide labour to take it off.
In time I reckon this will set a precedent for the likes of Tesco/Asda to do the same to save money.
The usual comeback argument of ‘That is why Aldi is cheaper’ I reckon is ■■■■■■■■, a price of a tin of beans has nothing to do with whether you, me, or a guy in a warehouse took it off with a pallet truck, the cost saved on labour goes to management bonus dividends after increased profits with these fat cat businesses. I have no love for these multi million pound organisations.Just look how we are treated whilst visiting their premises, sat in a pen with our keys taken off us like kids, when yeh…I aint embarrased or ashamed to say I would much prefer a lie down on my bunk.
So why should the driver have to accept that to make up for being sat in these crapholes so long, that the alternative should not only be self tip, but also getting lumbered with the p.o.a. fiasco/■■■■■■■■ (another argument for another day) instead of these co.s getting themselves and their useless slow and incompetent staff to get their act together to get us a reaonably quick turnaround.
So drivers doing it willinglly with enthusiasm, and actually not only arguing for it, but lambasting other drivers for complaining about it
, is only furthering their agenda, (but we all know what some drivers are like for just taking any [zb] without any real thought or resistance)
As I said …a matter of principle.On the other hand I regularly help, and sometimes fully self tip, every week on my own job delivering to farms and one man or small firms without any problem or grievance, a different situation altogether.
Do you get my point here or not ■■
+1…i get your point exactly about the " its the principle scenario"…it seems to have as usual went.wooooooosh.over the heads of others…if it genuinely needs a hands on tip,then fair enough…otherwise,it just rdcs exploiting free labour at truckies expence due to the clout they have when calling the shots and throwing the work to the dogs of companies fighting for their scraps that have no interest in why the buck stops as driver mug who has to do the job for them. .
dieseldog999:
robroy:
rob22888:
Call me crazy, maybe because I started my driving days on Class 2 multidrop retail work, but I have always seen our role as drivers as delivering goods to customers. Sometimes that may involve taking the gear off the back of the truck for them. Afterall, the job isn’t done & the goods aren’t the property of the recipient until it’s off the truck and signed for.It’s great & a perk of the job that in most cases (certainly as a Class 1 driver) you get to sit there whilst somebody else does it, but why should lorry drivers have a divine right to hours sat around being paid to do nothing? You don’t see supermarket drivers complaining about pulling cages off the trailer, brewery drivers moaning about lifting kegs off the trailer, tanker drivers complaining about connecting all the pipes up and taking charge, or parcel firm drivers whinging about having to tail lift pallets onto the wagon at collections etc. etc. They are all employed as ‘drivers’ just like the rest of us. The fuss about self tipping at Aldi is nothing more than spoilt drivers upset that they can’t get their usual paid 2 hour kip on the bunk in.
Mate, you and many others miss the point completely here.
The way I see it, it aint about complaining or moaning about Aldi/Lidl self tips, it’s a principle situation.I’ll just get it out of the way first that in real terms I don’t mind too much, as it’s good excercise and a little bit of mild graft that won’t kill you…end of.
However, given a choice, if I have hauled a load of whatever, from either abroad or this country to a multi million pound supermarket network, I would EXPECT for them to provide labour to take it off.
In time I reckon this will set a precedent for the likes of Tesco/Asda to do the same to save money.
The usual comeback argument of ‘That is why Aldi is cheaper’ I reckon is ■■■■■■■■, a price of a tin of beans has nothing to do with whether you, me, or a guy in a warehouse took it off with a pallet truck, the cost saved on labour goes to management bonus dividends after increased profits with these fat cat businesses. I have no love for these multi million pound organisations.Just look how we are treated whilst visiting their premises, sat in a pen with our keys taken off us like kids, when yeh…I aint embarrased or ashamed to say I would much prefer a lie down on my bunk.
So why should the driver have to accept that to make up for being sat in these crapholes so long, that the alternative should not only be self tip, but also getting lumbered with the p.o.a. fiasco/■■■■■■■■ (another argument for another day) instead of these co.s getting themselves and their useless slow and incompetent staff to get their act together to get us a reaonably quick turnaround.
So drivers doing it willinglly with enthusiasm, and actually not only arguing for it, but lambasting other drivers for complaining about it
As I said …a matter of principle.On the other hand I regularly help, and sometimes fully self tip, every week on my own job delivering to farms and one man or small firms without any problem or grievance, a different situation altogether.
Do you get my point here or not ■■+1…i get your point exactly about the " its the principle scenario"…it seems to have as usual went.wooooooosh.over the heads of others…if it genuinely needs a hands on tip,then fair enough…otherwise,it just rdcs exploiting free labour at truckies expence due to the clout they have when calling the shots and throwing the work to the dogs of companies fighting for their scraps that have no interest in why the buck stops as driver mug who has to do the job for them. .
Don’t know if it’s a woooosh scenario DD, or not, maybe it’s a lighbulb moment of realisation for some, but dealt with by donning a blindfold with fingers in ears going waaaaaah, in total denial because some don’t like to hear the truth, it’s much easier that way… 
yep…theres deffo a lot of,il just bend over and take it and watch my standards erode a little bit at a time goes in with lts of the truckie world.though to be fair,the newbies know no different and just do whats required as they start.its only the older ones that see the standards slipping.
reading the thread with a friend and he asked me a question …what happens if you tip a pallet over when unloading ? or run into the racking or someone doing the same (on the next bay). are you held responsible ie …load rejected ,claim on bosses insurance? .H&S incident . soo anyone know.■■? not being difficult just asking as never been to a self tip in uk before I left country
litigation ping pong…whoever has the biggest clout would just over run the other no matter whos to blame at the end of the day i would think??
Personally dont see a problem with helping to unload. Time is money and a little time and effort spent will see you away quicker which is what its about.Those who work for an employer paid hourly need to realise that its in their own interest to save time, it’ll earn the company more in the long term, the very place that pays their wage at the end of each month. Those that do that little extra for their money will also likely be kept on over a lazy arse ■■■■. Exercise does no one any harm, handballing 12 tonnes of agg at a garden centre when the fork lift was out of action a few months back wasnt difficult, im sure moving a few cages or a pallet truck isnt out of the way even for a fat unfit driver…
AndrewG:
Personally dont see a problem with helping to unload. Time is money and a little time and effort spent will see you away quicker which is what its about.Those who work for an employer paid hourly need to realise that its in their own interest to save time, it’ll earn the company more in the long term, the very place that pays their wage at the end of each month. Those that do that little extra for their money will also likely be kept on over a lazy arse [zb]. Exercise does no one any harm, handballing 12 tonnes of agg at a garden centre when the fork lift was out of action a few months back wasnt difficult, im sure moving a few cages or a pallet truck isnt out of the way even for a fat unfit driver…
Again Andrew your opinion is, and quite rightly so from an owner and/or employer’s perspective.
I have been there myself, so know exactly where you are coming from.
The post I made is from a different perspective, I will try and explain some of my points previously made, and answer yours.
The first point of your post…yeh ok, as I said broadly speaking, and in real terms I don’t really mind helping either, it’s excercise, and it’s usually better to get away quicker.
My answer to that is …Have a read of my last post rather than me re.writing it all and boring the arse (in a Carryfast style ) off everybody else. 
As for the ‘‘Paid hourly/saving time/making money for your employer realisation’’…OK yeh, again correct.
But…
You are an employer, I am a driver, I am not a ''lazy arsed ■■■■ ‘’ type that you refer to, but what I am is a ‘‘reap what they sow’’ type driver, who will react to the way I am treated or looked upon by my employer.
If that makes me sound troublesome, I am not, I just look after myself and like fair treatment, and willinglly reciprocate to it.
To explain, I worked for a brilliant firm for 10 yrs who valued us as drivers, paid us fairly, and well…in return I was the model employee going that extra mile (literally and metaphoricallly) every day…no problem.
I now work somewhere different, it is ok on the whole really, the hourly rate aint TOO bad, but I am subject to a pathetic pay structure ie time at 50 hours + a few pence (literally) after that, also regular penny pinching, and every avenue of payment is biased on THEIR side.
So now I do the job to the best of my ability, and get NO complaints, so they must be satisfied.
As for anything extra…not interested .
So to answer your other point…As for caring about extra profits to lost time ratio, to the ‘‘co that pays my wages’’ well I reckon that situation is well covered and cushioned by my pay structure.
So that situation, and the points mentioned in my last post, is why I have a problem with doing a multi million pound supermarket’s warehouse staff’s job for them after doing my own.
As for your garden centre helping out example, and my farmer and small business example, …like I said, no probs with that whatsoever, I do it every week on the job that makes me want to presently stay with the firm I am on for, despite the bad points mentioned.
Hope that clarifies my perspective on this.
is it only me that has the same perspective as robroy about this or what?? 
dieseldog999:
is it only me that has the same perspective as robroy about this or what??
I’m on the same page!
dieseldog999:
is it only me that has the same perspective as robroy about this or what??
No, but some us have a different way of going about things. Me, I’m so laid back, I’m horizontal (well, I’m Dutch…). I don’t give a ■■■■ whichever way, as long as I’m happy. Aldi want me to spend half an hour with an electric pallet truck? Fine, no worry. Some ■■■■■■■■ tells me “to get in the back of that trailer and bring the pallets to the back” (with a hand pump truck), can go and have ■■■ with himself. Anybody asking if I can give a hand, is likely to get that hand. I sometimes need a forkie to move pallets on a trailer (multi dropping). Ask nicely, they’ll do what they don’t 'have’to do.
But you just like to stir.
Just caught up with this topic!
I was banned from every a…a site in the country because at Castleford I had to tip a box on the pad, no bank to back on to.
Because I asked…nicely for help to turn pallets of squash round and push to back …I was told your job ?
Long and short I took it back to yard , all but cost me my job,point is why are drivers treated like crap ? Why do it?
I’ve read the good and bad reasons for self tip…times change I know,it was the day I handballed 15 ton on and off a 8 legger?
I’ve been there and done it,it seems a driver is jack of all trades and master of none today?
I will await the comments of this with bated breath!!!
the nodding donkey:
dieseldog999:
is it only me that has the same perspective as robroy about this or what??No, but some us have a different way of going about things. Me, I’m so laid back, I’m horizontal (well, I’m Dutch…). I don’t give a [zb] whichever way, as long as I’m happy. Aldi want me to spend half an hour with an electric pallet truck? Fine, no worry. Some ■■■■■■■■ tells me “to get in the back of that trailer and bring the pallets to the back” (with a hand pump truck), can go and have ■■■ with himself. Anybody asking if I can give a hand, is likely to get that hand. I sometimes need a forkie to move pallets on a trailer (multi dropping). Ask nicely, they’ll do what they don’t 'have’to do.
But you just like to stir.
You’re Dutch?
Christ that explains a lot ,
I’ve worked for them…and I married a one…feisty, takes no crap,.and always on the wind up (are you related? ) 
Nah, Only joking mate always had a soft spot for the Dutch, I have met and know many Dutch drivers, and we always got on well…especially over a few jars of Oranjboom.
robroy:
the nodding donkey:
dieseldog999:
is it only me that has the same perspective as robroy about this or what??No, but some us have a different way of going about things. Me, I’m so laid back, I’m horizontal (well, I’m Dutch…). I don’t give a [zb] whichever way, as long as I’m happy. Aldi want me to spend half an hour with an electric pallet truck? Fine, no worry. Some ■■■■■■■■ tells me “to get in the back of that trailer and bring the pallets to the back” (with a hand pump truck), can go and have ■■■ with himself. Anybody asking if I can give a hand, is likely to get that hand. I sometimes need a forkie to move pallets on a trailer (multi dropping). Ask nicely, they’ll do what they don’t 'have’to do.
But you just like to stir.
You’re Dutch?
Christ that explains a lot
I’ve worked for them…and I married a one…feisty, takes no crap,.and always on the wind up (are you related?
Nah, Only joking mate always had a soft spot for the Dutch, I have met and know many Dutch drivers, and we always got on well…especially over a few jars of Oranjboom.
You were doing alright, until you mentioned Oranjeboom. …
Grolsch…
And never even spelt it right …