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the nodding donkey:
I’ve never had a problem at Aldi. Usually in and out within the hour.

Just try imagine having to deal with 60 or so drivers. Some will be smart, some will be clever, some will be professional, some will have the mental capacity of a five year old, some have an attitude problem, some will make you retch and heave as they lean in through your hatch. Every day there will be the smart arse, giving it the ‘I’m not insured/trained/paid’ to do this, ‘it’s against my human rights’, 'I’m a driver not a warehouse lackey ’

How difficult is it to put pallets in the right order in a line? If you struggle with that, you should not be driving anytbing bigger than a Micra. On L plates. Putting pallets in the right order in a line is because the big pallet movers pick six pallets at a time to move them to the warehouse. If they can do that quickly, it means that there is room for the next truck to unload. Maybe you. Or would you prefer to wait for an hour whilst the warehouse staff do it?

Drivers cry when they have to unload, and cry when they have to wait for warehouse staff to unload them. Just grow up, and shut up.

You sound like my other half when she’s on full chat but I get the flounce off and door slam chucked in :smiley: :smiley:

Socketset:

the nodding donkey:
I’ve never had a problem at Aldi. Usually in and out within the hour.

Just try imagine having to deal with 60 or so drivers. Some will be smart, some will be clever, some will be professional, some will have the mental capacity of a five year old, some have an attitude problem, some will make you retch and heave as they lean in through your hatch. Every day there will be the smart arse, giving it the ‘I’m not insured/trained/paid’ to do this, ‘it’s against my human rights’, 'I’m a driver not a warehouse lackey ’

How difficult is it to put pallets in the right order in a line? If you struggle with that, you should not be driving anytbing bigger than a Micra. On L plates. Putting pallets in the right order in a line is because the big pallet movers pick six pallets at a time to move them to the warehouse. If they can do that quickly, it means that there is room for the next truck to unload. Maybe you. Or would you prefer to wait for an hour whilst the warehouse staff do it?

Drivers cry when they have to unload, and cry when they have to wait for warehouse staff to unload them. Just grow up, and shut up.

You sound like my other half when she’s on full chat but I get the flounce off and door slam chucked in :smiley: :smiley:

Oh no, I’ve given the game away… hello dear :grimacing:

the nodding donkey:
I’ve never had a problem at Aldi. Usually in and out within the hour.

Just try imagine having to deal with 60 or so drivers. Some will be smart, some will be clever, some will be professional, some will have the mental capacity of a five year old, some have an attitude problem, some will make you retch and heave as they lean in through your hatch. Every day there will be the smart arse, giving it the ‘I’m not insured/trained/paid’ to do this, ‘it’s against my human rights’, 'I’m a driver not a warehouse lackey ’

How difficult is it to put pallets in the right order in a line? If you struggle with that, you should not be driving anytbing bigger than a Micra. On L plates. Putting pallets in the right order in a line is because the big pallet movers pick six pallets at a time to move them to the warehouse. If they can do that quickly, it means that there is room for the next truck to unload. Maybe you. Or would you prefer to wait for an hour whilst the warehouse staff do it?

Drivers cry when they have to unload, and cry when they have to wait for warehouse staff to unload them. Just grow up, and shut up.

Your final sentence is the problem with this industry and why it is racing to the bottom.

att:

the nodding donkey:
I’ve never had a problem at Aldi. Usually in and out within the hour.

Just try imagine having to deal with 60 or so drivers. Some will be smart, some will be clever, some will be professional, some will have the mental capacity of a five year old, some have an attitude problem, some will make you retch and heave as they lean in through your hatch. Every day there will be the smart arse, giving it the ‘I’m not insured/trained/paid’ to do this, ‘it’s against my human rights’, 'I’m a driver not a warehouse lackey ’

How difficult is it to put pallets in the right order in a line? If you struggle with that, you should not be driving anytbing bigger than a Micra. On L plates. Putting pallets in the right order in a line is because the big pallet movers pick six pallets at a time to move them to the warehouse. If they can do that quickly, it means that there is room for the next truck to unload. Maybe you. Or would you prefer to wait for an hour whilst the warehouse staff do it?

Drivers cry when they have to unload, and cry when they have to wait for warehouse staff to unload them. Just grow up, and shut up.

Your final sentence is the problem with this industry and why it is racing to the bottom.

How so?

apart from being used as unpaid labour apart from their normal rate of pay,then why should a driver have to stack pallets in a warehouse full of warehousemen and forklift trucks.the clue is in the job description"driver"

dieseldog999:
apart from being used as unpaid labour apart from their normal rate of pay,then why should a driver have to stack pallets in a warehouse full of warehousemen and forklift trucks.the clue is in the job description"driver"

What you are referring to is a 'steering wheel attendant '…

the nodding donkey:

dieseldog999:
apart from being used as unpaid labour apart from their normal rate of pay,then why should a driver have to stack pallets in a warehouse full of warehousemen and forklift trucks.the clue is in the job description"driver"

What you are referring to is a 'steering wheel attendant '…

what i am referring to is not being utilised as free labour for an rdc.

So what’s the difference between unloading your trailer with a motorised pallet truck at Aldi or unloading a box trailer at a drop with manual pump truck? There’s no difference, except it’s easier to do at Aldi.

ah the old i’m doing aldis staff job for nothing lol, the bad news is you are being paid to tip yourself as when aldi place orders with there suppliers they also get paid a set amount on the number of pallets you have for you unloading it at the rdc’s so if the payment part is in the rate your boss is doing the job for.

scotstrucker:
ah the old i’m doing aldis staff job for nothing lol, the bad news is you are being paid to tip yourself as when aldi place orders with there suppliers they also get paid a set amount on the number of pallets you have for you unloading it at the rdc’s so if the payment part is in the rate your boss is doing the job for.

hence the owner is getting paid for the driver to work as a warehouseman in aldi and the driver gets no extra pay even if he wants to do it or not?

dieseldog999:

scotstrucker:
ah the old i’m doing aldis staff job for nothing lol, the bad news is you are being paid to tip yourself as when aldi place orders with there suppliers they also get paid a set amount on the number of pallets you have for you unloading it at the rdc’s so if the payment part is in the rate your boss is doing the job for.

hence the owner is getting paid for the driver to work as a warehouseman in aldi and the driver gets no extra pay even if he wants to do it or not?

thats up to the boss and the employee, i’v seen drivers at aldi goldthorpe refuse too tip themselves to have there paperwork get the red stamp and be handed back too them, load is then marked up as a non delivery on the grounds of driver refusing to unload and then aldi hand the £5000 penalty to the supplier who will in turn pass it on to the haulier who will in turn go ballistic at the driver who will in turn not have a care in the world about it as it’s not his company.

drivers are a funny lot though, they complain about having to sit about for hours in rdc’s waiting to get tipped and most will say “i could tip that quicker myself” but when they get an aldi/lidl job they complain about having to tip themselves and saving themselves a 3 hour wait + get a bit of exercise in at the same time

just to add if at goldthorpe you can tip and move off the bay and park in the middle and cadge an hour there if you wanna make up the hours

dieseldog999:

scotstrucker:
ah the old i’m doing aldis staff job for nothing lol, the bad news is you are being paid to tip yourself as when aldi place orders with there suppliers they also get paid a set amount on the number of pallets you have for you unloading it at the rdc’s so if the payment part is in the rate your boss is doing the job for.

hence the owner is getting paid for the driver to work as a warehouseman in aldi and the driver gets no extra pay even if he wants to do it or not?

Yes. So any argument a driver has is with his employer.
Dont like Aldi? Work for a company that doesnt deal with Aldi.
Want extra money for self tipping? Speak to the man/woman who pays you.
Getting upset with warehouse staff wont help you, or them, or the next driver who walks in there. Warehouse staff cant give you a pay rise, but they can make your life awkward.

Franglais:

dieseldog999:

scotstrucker:
ah the old i’m doing aldis staff job for nothing lol, the bad news is you are being paid to tip yourself as when aldi place orders with there suppliers they also get paid a set amount on the number of pallets you have for you unloading it at the rdc’s so if the payment part is in the rate your boss is doing the job for.

hence the owner is getting paid for the driver to work as a warehouseman in aldi and the driver gets no extra pay even if he wants to do it or not?

Yes. So any argument a driver has is with his employer.
Dont like Aldi? Work for a company that doesnt deal with Aldi.
Want extra money for self tipping? Speak to the man/woman who pays you.
Getting upset with warehouse staff wont help you, or them, or the next driver who walks in there. Warehouse staff cant give you a pay rise, but they can make your life awkward.

plenty drivers at my former employer complained about it, when he mentioned it too his customer he was shown the contract agreement they had with aldi and that is how we found out about it.

scotstrucker:
plenty drivers at my former employer complained about it, when he mentioned it too his customer he was shown the contract agreement they had with aldi and that is how we found out about it.

And its nothing new. Back in the eighties I worked for a large company that had a contract with a supplier to a very big retailer. Part of the contract was that the driver would assist in offloading. The drivers were told of this and so just got on with it. The supplying company were and are a household name, and the retailer were their biggest customer. As hauliers we did as the (paying) client asked, simple as that. If a driver is expected (by his company) to do this work then it is up to the employer to make this clear at the start. Some fault lies with the haulier not talking to their drivers up front, Id say.

I have done Aldi self tip loads of times, no problem, usually a full load, in and out, job done…I enjoy it.

This time it was 3 pallets and I had to use a pump truck from 11 bays away, it took me longer to get the truck than it did to tip the 3 pallets, no problem…I put the pallets where instructed, however, the guy in charge did not like where I had put them and would not listen that I had been instructed to put them there…So it was a lack of communication with Aldi staff and he expected me to move them 10 yards…I do not see why I should have to go out of my way, to make up for their shortcomings and lack of total system control, the system is easy to control, yet they seem unable to ensure this works properly…All you have to do is designate a grid on the computer system and then it can all be cross-referenced…No room for error and a check can be made of where all pallets should be, you can further enhance this by extending the system to the rest of the warehouse…Or is it that they cannot be arsed implementing it to the goods in area?
I know which version my money is on.
Whatever, I will do as I see fit and fair and telling a driver they are calling the Police is bullying, plain and simple…I still don`t give a puck, never have, never will, people are intrinsically a failed species and the less contact I have with them, the better.

Franglais:

scotstrucker:
plenty drivers at my former employer complained about it, when he mentioned it too his customer he was shown the contract agreement they had with aldi and that is how we found out about it.

And its nothing new. Back in the eighties I worked for a large company that had a contract with a supplier to a very big retailer. Part of the contract was that the driver would assist in offloading. The drivers were told of this and so just got on with it. The supplying company were and are a household name, and the retailer were their biggest customer. As hauliers we did as the (paying) client asked, simple as that. If a driver is expected (by his company) to do this work then it is up to the employer to make this clear at the start. Some fault lies with the haulier not talking to their drivers up front, Id say.

used to deliver to netto rdc’s when i started with carrots and potatoes and had too tip the load yourself with a hand truck not an electric one

Call me crazy, maybe because I started my driving days on Class 2 multidrop retail work, but I have always seen our role as drivers as delivering goods to customers. Sometimes that may involve taking the gear off the back of the truck for them. Afterall, the job isn’t done & the goods aren’t the property of the recipient until it’s off the truck and signed for.

It’s great & a perk of the job that in most cases (certainly as a Class 1 driver) you get to sit there whilst somebody else does it, but why should lorry drivers have a divine right to hours sat around being paid to do nothing? You don’t see supermarket drivers complaining about pulling cages off the trailer, brewery drivers moaning about lifting kegs off the trailer, tanker drivers complaining about connecting all the pipes up and taking charge, or parcel firm drivers whinging about having to tail lift pallets onto the wagon at collections etc. etc. They are all employed as ‘drivers’ just like the rest of us. The fuss about self tipping at Aldi is nothing more than spoilt drivers upset that they can’t get their usual paid 2 hour kip on the bunk in.

rob22888:
Call me crazy, maybe because I started my driving days on Class 2 multidrop retail work, but I have always seen our role as drivers as delivering goods to customers. Sometimes that may involve taking the gear off the back of the truck for them. Afterall, the job isn’t done & the goods aren’t the property of the recipient until it’s off the truck and signed for.

It’s great & a perk of the job that in most cases (certainly as a Class 1 driver) you get to sit there whilst somebody else does it, but why should lorry drivers have a divine right to hours sat around being paid to do nothing? You don’t see supermarket drivers complaining about pulling cages off the trailer, brewery drivers moaning about lifting kegs off the trailer or parcel firm drivers whinging about having to tail lift pallets onto the wagon at collections etc. etc. They are all employed as ‘drivers’ just like the rest of us. The fuss about self tipping at Aldi is nothing more than spoilt drivers upset that they can’t get their usual paid 2 hour kip on the bunk in.

+1

rob22888:
Call me crazy, maybe because I started my driving days on Class 2 multidrop retail work, but I have always seen our role as drivers as delivering goods to customers. Sometimes that may involve taking the gear off the back of the truck for them. Afterall, the job isn’t done & the goods aren’t the property of the recipient until it’s off the truck and signed for.

It’s great & a perk of the job that in most cases (certainly as a Class 1 driver) you get to sit there whilst somebody else does it, but why should lorry drivers have a divine right to hours sat around being paid to do nothing? You don’t see supermarket drivers complaining about pulling cages off the trailer, brewery drivers moaning about lifting kegs off the trailer, tanker drivers complaining about connecting all the pipes up and taking charge, or parcel firm drivers whinging about having to tail lift pallets onto the wagon at collections etc. etc. They are all employed as ‘drivers’ just like the rest of us. The fuss about self tipping at Aldi is nothing more than spoilt drivers upset that they can’t get their usual paid 2 hour kip on the bunk in.

Mate, you and many others miss the point completely here.
The way I see it, it aint about complaining or moaning about Aldi/Lidl self tips, it’s a principle situation.

I’ll just get it out of the way first that in real terms I don’t mind too much, as it’s good excercise and a little bit of mild graft that won’t kill you…end of.

However, given a choice, if I have hauled a load of whatever, from either abroad or this country to a multi million pound supermarket network, I would EXPECT for them to provide labour to take it off.

In time I reckon this will set a precedent for the likes of Tesco/Asda to do the same to save money.
The usual comeback argument of ‘That is why Aldi is cheaper’ I reckon is ■■■■■■■■, a price of a tin of beans has nothing to do with whether you, me, or a guy in a warehouse took it off with a pallet truck, the cost saved on labour goes to management bonus dividends after increased profits with these fat cat businesses. I have no love for these multi million pound organisations.

Just look how we are treated whilst visiting their premises, sat in a pen with our keys taken off us like kids, when yeh…I aint embarrased or ashamed to say I would much prefer a lie down on my bunk.

So why should the driver have to accept that to make up for being sat in these crapholes so long, that the alternative should not only be self tip, but also getting lumbered with the p.o.a. fiasco/■■■■■■■■ (another argument for another day) instead of these co.s getting themselves and their useless slow and incompetent staff to get their act together to get us a reaonably quick turnaround. :bulb:

So drivers doing it willinglly with enthusiasm, and actually not only arguing for it, but lambasting other drivers for complaining about it :open_mouth: , is only furthering their agenda, (but we all know what some drivers are like for just taking any ■■■■ without any real thought or resistance)
As I said …a matter of principle.

On the other hand I regularly help, and sometimes fully self tip, every week on my own job delivering to farms and one man or small firms without any problem or grievance, a different situation altogether.
Do you get my point here or not ■■

robroy:

rob22888:
Call me crazy, maybe because I started my driving days on Class 2 multidrop retail work, but I have always seen our role as drivers as delivering goods to customers. Sometimes that may involve taking the gear off the back of the truck for them. Afterall, the job isn’t done & the goods aren’t the property of the recipient until it’s off the truck and signed for.

It’s great & a perk of the job that in most cases (certainly as a Class 1 driver) you get to sit there whilst somebody else does it, but why should lorry drivers have a divine right to hours sat around being paid to do nothing? You don’t see supermarket drivers complaining about pulling cages off the trailer, brewery drivers moaning about lifting kegs off the trailer, tanker drivers complaining about connecting all the pipes up and taking charge, or parcel firm drivers whinging about having to tail lift pallets onto the wagon at collections etc. etc. They are all employed as ‘drivers’ just like the rest of us. The fuss about self tipping at Aldi is nothing more than spoilt drivers upset that they can’t get their usual paid 2 hour kip on the bunk in.

Mate, you and many others miss the point completely here.
The way I see it, it aint about complaining or moaning about Aldi/Lidl self tips, it’s a principle situation.

I’ll just get it out of the way first that in real terms I don’t mind too much, as it’s good excercise and a little bit of mild graft that won’t kill you…end of.

However, given a choice, if I have hauled a load of whatever, from either abroad or this country to a multi million pound supermarket network, I would EXPECT for them to provide labour to take it off.

In time I reckon this will set a precedent for the likes of Tesco/Asda to do the same to save money.
The usual comeback argument of ‘That is why Aldi is cheaper’ I reckon is ■■■■■■■■, a price of a tin of beans has nothing to do with whether you, me, or a guy in a warehouse took it off with a pallet truck, the cost saved on labour goes to management bonus dividends after increased profits with these fat cat businesses. I have no love for these multi million pound organisations.

Just look how we are treated whilst visiting their premises, sat in a pen with our keys taken off us like kids, when yeh…I aint embarrased or ashamed to say I would much prefer a lie down on my bunk.

So why should the driver have to accept that to make up for being sat in these crapholes so long, that the alternative should not only be self tip, but also getting lumbered with the p.o.a. fiasco/■■■■■■■■ (another argument for another day) instead of these co.s getting themselves and their useless slow and incompetent staff to get their act together to get us a reaonably quick turnaround. :bulb:

So drivers doing it willinglly with enthusiasm, and actually not only arguing for it, but lambasting other drivers for complaining about it :open_mouth: , is only furthering their agenda, (but we all know what some drivers are like for just taking any [zb] without any real thought or resistance)
As I said …a matter of principle.

On the other hand I regularly help, and sometimes fully self tip, every week on my own job delivering to farms and one man or small firms without any problem or grievance, a different situation altogether.
Do you get my point here or not ■■

^^^^^^ This 1+

Different situation on a farm or a small business with only very limited resources.

I wonder if more and more companies will follow the self tipping way.

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