Please note that non-registered, non-profit organisations are also talked about in the first two links if you explore the entire section, not just charities, which is why they were still relevant.
As I said, I’m tired, so where normally I may have picked out the specifically important pages for you, in this instance I’ve simply pointed you at the entire sections and left you to dig through for yourselves. My apologies.
Both your links are charity or fund raising a completely different issue (they are raising funds)
Unincorporated association
An ‘unincorporated association’ is an organisation set up through an agreement between a group of people who come together for a reason other than to make a profit.
You don’t need to register an unincorporated association, and it doesn’t cost anything to set one up.
Individual members are personally responsible for any debts and contractual obligations.
By your own admission in an earlier post thou, what you charge for the “welcome pack” and what it cost means a difference of 40 odd pence. What occurs to these excess?
Barrie Tozer:
The New PDU as non-profit does not need accounts or to show them
I’m sorry Barrie, but as a point of nothing more than fact that statement is incorrect.
I was involved in canine rescue for a good few years, working with both those registered as charities and those simply operating on an unregistered, non-profit basis. Every single one had to, and did, keep accounts.
I’m too tired now, but when I get chance tomorrow I’ll find the relevant legislation/HMRC advice on this for you. The fact of the matter is that the only way to cover your arse and prove that an organisation is, indeed, non-profit, is to prepare books which show that inconclusively to be the case.
This post (like my first) is genuinely intended to help you - or rather, in this case, avoid you ending up in tax-related legal hot water.
Both your links are charity or fund raising a completely different issue (they are raising funds)
Unincorporated association
An ‘unincorporated association’ is an organisation set up through an agreement between a group of people who come together for a reason other than to make a profit.
You don’t need to register an unincorporated association, and it doesn’t cost anything to set one up.
Individual members are personally responsible for any debts and contractual obligations.
Would that be “jointly and severally” liable for any debts and contractual obligations?
Barrie Tozer:
PS, edit to add I am keeping accounts in case there is any need to show them
Theres a need to file them, and a deadline. Which if you havn’t met, wether any tax is due or not you’ll get a fine for. And i’ll be suprised if by now, given the amount of people you claim want to shut you down , one of them hasn’t notified the HMRC of your revenue from subs and advertising.
The Sarge:
Mike, you pedant! I noticed that, but couldn’t be arsed
Sorry for got where i was for a minute and who i was speaking to. Its the PDU-UK accounts, no i think Lucy may have been correct, they’re inconclusive. So far, anyway !!!
Barrie Tozer:
PS, edit to add I am keeping accounts in case there is any need to show them
Theres a need to file them, and a deadline. Which if you havn’t met, wether any tax is due or not you’ll get a fine for. And i’ll be suprised if by now, given the amount of people you claim want to shut you down , one of them hasn’t notified the HMRC of your revenue from subs and advertising.
Nah, even I wouldn’t stoop that low…
Just got to Google something. Brb…
Barrie Tozer:
The New PDU as non-profit does not need accounts or to show them
I’m sorry Barrie, but as a point of nothing more than fact that statement is incorrect.
I was involved in canine rescue for a good few years, working with both those registered as charities and those simply operating on an unregistered, non-profit basis. Every single one had to, and did, keep accounts.
I’m too tired now, but when I get chance tomorrow I’ll find the relevant legislation/HMRC advice on this for you. The fact of the matter is that the only way to cover your arse and prove that an organisation is, indeed, non-profit, is to prepare books which show that inconclusively to be the case.
This post (like my first) is genuinely intended to help you - or rather, in this case, avoid you ending up in tax-related legal hot water.
As a final point, a proper reading of the above links will show that taking money in the form of a membership fee counts as “fundraising”, which is where you could potentially come unstuck. Scrap the fee and then yes, you would be correct in thinking you don’t need accounts, as there is then nothing to account for.
And on that note, I shall bid you goodnight. What can I say? I tried. I’ve no idea why, like, but I did.
Barrie Tozer:
PS, edit to add I am keeping accounts in case there is any need to show them
Theres a need to file them, and a deadline. Which if you havn’t met, wether any tax is due or not you’ll get a fine for. And i’ll be suprised if by now, given the amount of people you claim want to shut you down , one of them hasn’t notified the HMRC of your revenue from subs and advertising.
Oh Mike. you mistrustful person- I am sure that every penny raised( subs, welcome packs and advertising) via the Truckersworld website, the Truckers club and the PDU has every year been declared as income on Barrys HMRC self assessment form as extra income, as a non incorporated body he as I am sure he knows acting as a sole trader, and as such must declare such income- even if it is at a loss or non profit
Barrie Tozer:
PS, edit to add I am keeping accounts in case there is any need to show them
Theres a need to file them, and a deadline. Which if you havn’t met, wether any tax is due or not you’ll get a fine for. And i’ll be suprised if by now, given the amount of people you claim want to shut you down , one of them hasn’t notified the HMRC of your revenue from subs and advertising.
And i’ll also add you’ll need to record and submit income and expenditure for TW, Truckers Club, and PDU. If you get investigated Barrie someone saying “its your pension pot” is going to be the least of your worries. And with the amount of FB groups, and websites you have, boy you’re gonna have your work cut out.
Barrie Tozer:
PS, edit to add I am keeping accounts in case there is any need to show them
Theres a need to file them, and a deadline. Which if you havn’t met, wether any tax is due or not you’ll get a fine for. And i’ll be suprised if by now, given the amount of people you claim want to shut you down , one of them hasn’t notified the HMRC of your revenue from subs and advertising.
Please do and ensure to inform all on here your reply
Quite happy for you to make more a fool of yourself
Lucy:
As a final point, a proper reading of the above links will show that taking money in the form of a membership fee counts as “fundraising”, which is where you could potentially come unstuck. Scrap the fee and then yes, you would be correct in thinking you don’t need accounts, as there is then nothing to account for.
And on that note, I shall bid you goodnight. What can I say? I tried. I’ve no idea why, like, but I did.
Because you are showing him far more respect than he deserves (or shows others). G’nite Lucy.
I have only skimmed through this, so I may have missed a few things, but randomly selecting pages and reading the posts tell me that I may not be far from the truth when I say that this whole thread is a complete gong show.
Here is a bloke who is trying to buck the trend of “drivers will never stick up for each other” and put together something that with the right support, could actually make some positive changes in the industry. Yet all he’s getting is a load of grief!
I know there is a bit of history surrounding truckersworld etc, but has anybody considered that Barry may have learned from his past mistakes and have a better plan now? Billionaire Richard Branson cocked it up a few times before he got it right. Donald Trump has several bankruptcies behind him and he’s now a billionaire running for President of the USA.
In the first posts Barry asked for posts from people who were interested only, as this would be helpful for all concerned, instead the keyboard warriors started with their old ■■■■■■■■ and it’s now nothing more than a farce.
You do know that it is possible to read something you don’t like and not type a response don’t you?
I bet the poor bloke is wondering why he even bothers trying to make a difference, it’s bloody embarrassing.
Barrie Tozer:
PS, edit to add I am keeping accounts in case there is any need to show them
Theres a need to file them, and a deadline. Which if you havn’t met, wether any tax is due or not you’ll get a fine for. And i’ll be suprised if by now, given the amount of people you claim want to shut you down , one of them hasn’t notified the HMRC of your revenue from subs and advertising.
And i’ll also add you’ll need to record and submit income and expenditure for TW, Truckers Club, and PDU. If you get investigated Barrie someone saying “its your pension pot” is going to be the least of your worries. And with the amount of FB groups, and websites you have, boy you’re gonna have your work cut out.
Do you honestly think I would still be going after 14 years if things were not legal and accounted
With just the amount of back stabbers on here I would have been in trouble before now.
Some of us do checks and ensure things are in place first
Lucy:
As a final point, a proper reading of the above links will show that taking money in the form of a membership fee counts as “fundraising”, which is where you could potentially come unstuck. Scrap the fee and then yes, you would be correct in thinking you don’t need accounts, as there is then nothing to account for.
And on that note, I shall bid you goodnight. What can I say? I tried. I’ve no idea why, like, but I did.
I think you will find that he is selling welcome packs that he has to declare that income, either as a sole trader or as an incorporated body- legally there is no dead ground in between to hide in like he claims
does that mean I can post what I like about him■■?