THE PDU-UK "Q&A"

Sorry, Rikki. Should have read Mr Tozer. Bloody autocarrot…

Mike-C:

Barrie Tozer:
No jobs threatened
I just had to go over Rikki to get an opportunity to reply to the others post where there were continous insult and accusations. (the other locked topics)

After discussion and agreement on the initial op it was allowed

The contentious insults and accusations where thus :

1/ retirement via his pyra…, sorry, PDU scheme
2/ But got to raise that £50k for ID cards and window stickers somehow!
3/ but with a back-of-■■■-packet website like that
4/ isnt he the idiot who used to do those fuel protest things
5/ then your “Drivers Unity” is a rip off and a scam
6/ He’s more interested in getting rid of the DCPC and having no training at all
7/ Wow, racism to throw in as well? I was wondering how long it would take for the organisations true colours to come out.
7/ their policies they done want non-British drivers joining, they want you all out of the country
8/ Of course you want everyone to support it Barrie, because you can retire from working earlier on the proceeds!
9/ All it needs to finish it off is the picture of the malnutritioned African kid looking sad
10/ everyone can see it for the retirement scam
11/ for me this is Barry & co’s retirement pot
12/ it seems like Barrie is looking for pension from this

You have jumped in a heartbeat from no one in the PDU UK will get more than 35k a year, and /or expenses. To working for free, totally free. Non profit, no need for accounts. This was on the very first page or two. Really ? The way you prepared to address accusations that it was going to be your pension pot was to say…non profit, no need for accounts.

The Fact is no one wanted to hear the answers given:-
The £35k a year was the Old PDU with a subscription and each member who joined were offered a full refund and accounts were avaialble
The New PDU as non-profit does not need accounts or to show them

The hounding continued because it was not the answers they wanted and their sole intent was to shut the PDU down

Now I am retaliating back they are starting to squirm
Insults, FB hate groups, False posters, liars

Even you closing the old topic had to add insult

TheBear:
I meant what I said about Rikki, just because some don’t always agree with him, he has been the mainstay of this Forum since I first joined and has done far more for us than the Rabbit will ever hope to do. This Forum is as strong, if not stronger, than when I joined and tis down to him and his team.

Thankyou. :slight_smile:

No squirming from me, Squire. The ONLY place you will hear from me is here. And trust me, you will hear from me…

Barrie Tozer:

TheBear:

FH12guy:

I have seen members put on a ban or premod for less.
he is an egotisical little twerp.
Even though I have contributed to the ‘hounding’ of the Rabbit,

Insults and admitting to hounding for his own past grudge.

Better be put on pre-mod then

You bloody muppet!!! You’re the one that started the ‘hounds’ and ‘rabbit’ comparisons!!! You really are a sandwich short of a picnic.

Or does it all go over your pathetic little head?

TheBear:

Barrie Tozer:

TheBear:
I have seen members put on a ban or premod for less.
he is an egotisical little twerp.
Even though I have contributed to the ‘hounding’ of the Rabbit,

Barrie Tozer:
Insults and admitting to hounding for his own past grudge.

Better be put on pre-mod then

TheBear:
You bloody muppet!!! You’re the one that started the ‘hounds’ and ‘rabbit’ comparisons!!! You really are a sandwich short of a picnic.

Or does it all go over your pathetic little head?

So one rule for me and one for you.

you have been insulting from the beginning, now I am giving it back you do not like it, tough

Barrie Tozer:
The New PDU as non-profit does not need accounts or to show them

I’m sorry Barrie, but as a point of nothing more than fact that statement is incorrect.

I was involved in canine rescue for a good few years, working with both those registered as charities and those simply operating on an unregistered, non-profit basis. Every single one had to, and did, keep accounts.

I’m too tired now, but when I get chance tomorrow I’ll find the relevant legislation/HMRC advice on this for you. The fact of the matter is that the only way to cover your arse and prove that an organisation is, indeed, non-profit, is to prepare books which show that inconclusively to be the case.

This post (like my first) is genuinely intended to help you - or rather, in this case, avoid you ending up in tax-related legal hot water.

Lucy:

Barrie Tozer:
The New PDU as non-profit does not need accounts or to show them

I’m sorry Barrie, but as a point of nothing more than fact that statement is incorrect.

I was involved in canine rescue for a good few years, working with both those registered as charities and those simply operating on an unregistered, non-profit basis. Every single one had to, and did, keep accounts.

I’m too tired now, but when I get chance tomorrow I’ll find the relevant legislation/HMRC advice on this for you. The fact of the matter is that the only way to cover your arse and prove that an organisation is, indeed, non-profit, is to prepare books which show that inconclusively to be the case.

This post (like my first) is genuinely intended to help you - or rather, in this case, avoid you ending up in tax-related legal hot water.

Lucy
Always happy to accept advice which is why the PDU will improve as time moves on
but sorry in this circumstance you are wrong,but happy to see what you post.

PS, edit to add I am keeping accounts in case there is any need to show them

So now Mr ToZer has admitted that he is only here to insult long standing members. Most people take at least a couple of weeks to start insulting all and sundry, not five bloody days…
I would report it, but I think I will wait until the guys at the top notice it…

Barrie Tozer:

Lucy:

Barrie Tozer:
The New PDU as non-profit does not need accounts or to show them

I’m sorry Barrie, but as a point of nothing more than fact that statement is incorrect.

I was involved in canine rescue for a good few years, working with both those registered as charities and those simply operating on an unregistered, non-profit basis. Every single one had to, and did, keep accounts.

I’m too tired now, but when I get chance tomorrow I’ll find the relevant legislation/HMRC advice on this for you. The fact of the matter is that the only way to cover your arse and prove that an organisation is, indeed, non-profit, is to prepare books which show that inconclusively to be the case.

This post (like my first) is genuinely intended to help you - or rather, in this case, avoid you ending up in tax-related legal hot water.

Lucy
Always happy to accept advice which is why the PDU will improve as time moves on
but sorry in this circumstance you are wrong,but happy to see what you post

Lucy, I tried at the start to point that out to him. I was a trustee for a charity that grew from a non-profit group, but Mr ToZer apparently knows better…

The Sarge:

Barrie Tozer:

Lucy:

Barrie Tozer:
The New PDU as non-profit does not need accounts or to show them

I’m sorry Barrie, but as a point of nothing more than fact that statement is incorrect.

I was involved in canine rescue for a good few years, working with both those registered as charities and those simply operating on an unregistered, non-profit basis. Every single one had to, and did, keep accounts.

I’m too tired now, but when I get chance tomorrow I’ll find the relevant legislation/HMRC advice on this for you. The fact of the matter is that the only way to cover your arse and prove that an organisation is, indeed, non-profit, is to prepare books which show that inconclusively to be the case.

This post (like my first) is genuinely intended to help you - or rather, in this case, avoid you ending up in tax-related legal hot water.

Lucy
Always happy to accept advice which is why the PDU will improve as time moves on
but sorry in this circumstance you are wrong,but happy to see what you post

The Sarge:
Lucy, I tried at the start to point that out to him. I was a trustee for a charity that grew from a non-profit group, but Mr ToZer apparently knows better…

You might even learn one day that a Charity has a different standing to get charitable status, 2 different things

but of course your too clever to know that

(with regards to the “old pdu”)

Barrie Tozer:
…accounts were avaialble

And where can these be seen?

Here’s one for starters:

gov.uk/guidance/fundraising … esponsibly

More depth:

gov.uk/topic/running-charity/fundraising

Cleverer than you, pal. But admittedly not that great a boast…

Surely to be declared a non profit organization, you have to have accounts to prove you aren’t making a profit■■? Am I reading it right?

Lucy:
More depth:

gov.uk/topic/running-charity/fundraising

Both your links are charity or fund raising a completely different issue (they are raising funds)

Unincorporated association
An ‘unincorporated association’ is an organisation set up through an agreement between a group of people who come together for a reason other than to make a profit.
You don’t need to register an unincorporated association, and it doesn’t cost anything to set one up.
Individual members are personally responsible for any debts and contractual obligations.

This structure is simple and flexible. You do not need to have your constitution approved by any outside body.
An unincorporated association is cheap to run. If your aims are not charitable, and you don’t get any grant funding, you won’t need to submit accounts or reports to anyone outside your group.
If your aims are not charitable, you have no obligation to any regulatory body and there are no particular rules about how you should run your group (so long as your activities are generally lawful).

Although I am keeping accounts for members to see

TheBear:
Surely to be declared a non profit organization, you have to have accounts to prove you aren’t making a profit■■? Am I reading it right?

That would be the logical answer.

Lets look at this sensibly - if simply proclaiming yourself as non profit exempted you from any reporting of income, every small business and corner shop would be doing it. The legal facts are that if there is no incorporated body (legal entity) receiving the funds, then the individual in control of those funds has to report them on their self assessment returns to HMRC as non taxable income. There is no loophole to allow taking money of people and not reporting/filing any sort of return _ if there was don’t you think it would have been closed by now?

Barrie Tozer:
The Fact is no one wanted to hear the answers given:-
The £35k a year was the Old PDU with a subscription and each member who joined were offered a full refund and accounts were avaialble
The New PDU as non-profit does not need accounts or to show them

The hounding continued because it was not the answers they wanted and their sole intent was to shut the PDU down

Now I am retaliating back they are starting to squirm
Insults, FB hate groups, False posters, liars

Even you closing the old topic had to add insult

Yes, but with an expectation of £30/£25 subs or whatever, and wages and expenses it seems you didn’t prepare yourself for accounting. At any rate you have not confirmed if you have submitted any accounts. The complete turnaround, almost overnight to a non profit organisation or group or however you like to term it appears to have happened seamlessly. You don’t know the exact price of what you paid for merchandise, you’ve been going over a year and even though its changed direction there should be accounts available. And to counter these accusations of “its your pension pot” any reasonable person would of had that information to hand. Infact, they’d of had that to hand before anything else.

Thats why i doubt your real intention was to rebuff these claims and answer the critiscism. Because you clearly havn’t done so. Infact, its put a seed of doubt in my mind now to what the actual state of the finances are, and what your actual intentions are.

You also can’t get “hounded” here. You chose to come here,infact you fought your case to come here , no one here has come to you. Insults you’ll have to learn to deal with, FB groups are nothing to do with us. Liars, i know how you feel, someone here told me i was banned for being abusive, when they infact abused me. Its life get over it, its nothing to do with here.

The only squirming i am doing is on your behalf. You’re not retaliating back, leaders do not do that you’re just making a showcase of how and why you have not got a following after all these years. And probably why you’d be a bad choice for anyone to entrust a fiver too.