THE PDU-UK "Q&A"

[herongate]

Jesus, are you Grade A bell-end or what…

In reply to your non rely to my question, I set out why I’m asking about your membership numbers, you said if I gave a good reason why I’m asking, you might reconsider your refusal to provide the figures.

So I gave you good reasons, and politely & constructively explained why I’m asking and how the figure, either low or high could be used to your advantage to further your cause - I threw you a massive bone… yet once again, in your typical childish manner, you spat it right back at me; you are a knob.

In your reply, you state you have had ONE meeting… one meeting in a year - hardly productive, and you’ve opened the door to the RHA - the email from the RHA didn’t come across as very constructive, basically, it says, Thanks for the meeting, and the list of complaints, go away and get me more info and proof, bring a few of your members to the table and maybe we can help you - so thats not being “taken seriously” as you state. As for the DFT open door - anyone can write to them and they will respond and say yes we’d love to meet you - so somehow a convenient time will never appear, unless they think you are a big organisation with massive membership - one look at your website and Facebook page will tell them otherwise.

You then admit you have lied to the RHA about your membership size, to appear stronger than you actually are… in previous answers you said you wouldn’t divulge membership numbers in case the Q&A was being monitored by people you want to meet with - well, you’ve blown that right out the window now, if they are monitoring this Q&A (seriously, don’t flatter yourself) then they now know you’re lying and your open door has just closed. Plus what will you do if you told them you have 5,000 members, and they ask for proof…

You then suggest that instead of asking questions, maybe I should join PDU and tell my friends about it - how can I join something that I have no trust or faith in as it’s leader doesn’t answer questions, and admits to fabricating truths to potential partners & agencies.

I genuinely hope you learn something from this Q&A session… if you open yourself up to scrutiny, asking people to send you questions to debate - then be prepared to give open, honest answers, if you think its not what people want to hear then spin it in your favour, if someone says something you don’t like just accept it or counter with a professional counter-arguement, not some childish “my dad’s bigger than your dad” type stance, or report them to the Mods, or refuse to answer - you claim to front a professional organisation that you want to lead, expand, gain members and represent them at national level, yet you’ve acted like a complete ■■■■■ Maybe you should re-read this entire 22+ page posting and then realise how badly you have presented yourself and your organisation, and why so many people have turned on you, and only one or two have shown the slightest support.

[ramon123]

TRUCKNET THE PDU-UK “Q&A” >>>>>>>>>>>> WAR & PEACE…

[Lucy]

Ok. So. With great difficulty I’ve bitten my tongue and not posted here as there is “history” between Barrie and myself and I know I’ll find that difficult to put to one side for the sake of sensible discussion.

However…There’s one thing that worries me about all this and it is, I suspect the reason why open doors have never turned into action over the years. Despite 14 years of banging the same drum, Barrie, you still haven’t lost your naivety about how the world and those who have power in it work.

Of course people will talk to you in your self-proclaimed role as the man of “the drivers”. You know why? Because it makes them look good, it gives them some nice fluffy PR so they can claim to be “in touch” with the shop floor of the industry. Then, having used you for their own ends, they potter off to do the things they really consider matter knowing you’re not actually important enough to either cry foul or even realise what game is being played. If they can time those meetings to coincide with things they were doing anyway (eg. MSA exit layouts) so much the better.

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, it’s how business works in a capitalist society and there’s nothing wrong with that, but until you learn how to play their game you’ll never be anything other than a pawn. In my current role I play the game every single day of the week, with the result that both I and the companies and organisations I deal with get want we want and everyone’s happy, but I had to open my eyes to life’s realities in order to learn how to do that.

You want to get better laybys? Find a road that’s being built anyway and find a way that slapping the leftover tarmac to the sides of it to make more parking space can be spun by the authorities or businesses involved to make them look good…How about the tarmac firm providing “added value” to the Highways Agency by doing it? Or the local council “helping the environment” with twin recycling and general waste bins along the route?

Go down those lines and you might achieve something. Sit and look pretty for people who are only interested in being seen to be interested and you’ll still be banging your head against a brick wall and trying to convince people to back another bright idea in another 14 years, and we’ll be doing this all over again. Time to grow up and smell the coffee, Barrie.

[dipper_dave]

It’s gonna take something special to beat this in the Tnuk thread of the year awards.

[nick2008]

Dipper_Dave:
It’s gonna take something special to beat this in the Tnuk thread of the year awards.

And we thought dozy was good

[volvo2]

Finally he remembered he has a PDU group and his very first post back was this

Barrie Tozer There is about 10 on there going round in circles asking the same old questions, which is why I posted the above. Yet they still ask the same questions. Many on there are not daft and will recognize the attempt to just criticize or ridicule. I just wish tthere was an ignore button so those wanting answers can get them. hopefully they might come here
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Barrie Tozer
Barrie Tozer I have exposed one as a blatant lliar, another for false accusations and yet the Admin continue to allow them to post in the same topic with no justification of interest. plug aware and maybe they will see the trouble makers and that I am trying to help them, it sometimes takes convincing for some drivers to see clearly
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Barrie Tozer
Barrie Tozer That is me finished on there, back to here and onwards we go.

Now that is odd the pot calling the kettle he was nasty to many gave the same old same old standard trite answers He has exposed nobody but was himself exposed He thinks drivers are stupid or daft but he is describing himself there as he admires his unsuccessful foray into TN

[rikki-uk]

Barrie has informed me that he will no longer be taking part in this Q&A. the thread will remain open, but as Barrie will no longer defend his position can I remind everyone to keep all comments on subject, civil and objective in line with the forum guidelines

[lee_g]

Can someone now please lock this ■■■■■■■ thread and we can back to picking on tonka and bear

[nick2008]

Rikki-UK:
Barrie has informed me that he will no longer be taking part in this Q&A. the thread will remain open, but as Barrie will no longer defend his position can I remind everyone to keep all comments on subject, civil and objective in line with the forum guidelines

I honestly think the best thing would be to lock it.

[nick2008]

Lee G:
Can someone now please lock this [zb] thread and we can back to picking on tonka and bear

And dozy and imigrant

[tonka236]

Lee G:
Can someone now please lock this [zb] thread and we can back to picking on tonka and bear

What the frick?

[thebear]

Lee G:
Can someone now please lock this [zb] thread and we can back to picking on tonka and bear

Oi, you . sod off back to the deep blue sea

[robroy]

I said earlier I was done with this thread, but I was curious when I noticed Rikki had posted on it again.

I have never been one to jump on a bandwagon, nor ever been afraid what I am thought of, if and when I have gone against the flow, or not agreed with or refused to join the mob.
Granted Barrie has not done himself a lot of favours with his style of delivery on here, but ffs some of you lot hang on like terriers when you start. It became relentless, the abuse and insults to the guy’s character and integrity.
What got me was the repetition, you had made your points but that was not enough, you insisted on ramming the same points home over and over (and over ) again.
And for what?.. A guy who is attempting (however misguidedly that may or may not be) to try and show a bit of resistance to the bull ■■■■ this job kicks up. Not (as I said before) start a ■■■■ ■■■■■■■■■■ ring where that level of abuse would be acceptable.

Again as I said he stood his ground, and his corner single handedly for 24 pages , he does deserve some credit for that.
If this opinion is not popular I couldn’t give a flying ■■■■, but it is mine.

Not interested in sparking off an argument either (yeh I know, makes a change ) as I’m off to bed.
See ya.

[mike-c]

robroy:
I said earlier I was done with this thread, but I was curious when I noticed Rikki had posted on it again.

I have never been one to jump on a bandwagon, nor ever been afraid what I am thought of, if and when I have gone against the flow, or not agreed with or refused to join the mob.
Granted Barrie has not done himself a lot of favours with his style of delivery on here, but ffs some of you lot hang on like terriers when you start. It became relentless, the abuse and insults to the guy’s character and integrity.
What got me was the repetition, you had made your points but that was not enough, you insisted on ramming the same points home over and over (and over ) again.
And for what?.. A guy who is attempting (however misguidedly that may or may not be) to try and show a bit of resistance to the bull [zb] this job kicks up. Not (as I said before start a [zb] ■■■■■■■■■■ ring where that level of abuse would be acceptable)

Again as I said he stood his ground, and his corner single handedly for 24 pages , he does deserve some credit for that.
If this opinion is not popular I couldn’t give a flying [zb], but it is mine.

Not interested in sparking off an argument either (yeh I know, makes a change ) as I’m off to bed.
See ya.

Like ya say, talks cheap. Go put your fiver where your mouth is

[billybigrig]

[robroy]

Mike-C:

robroy:
I said earlier I was done with this thread, but I was curious when I noticed Rikki had posted on it again.

I have never been one to jump on a bandwagon, nor ever been afraid what I am thought of, if and when I have gone against the flow, or not agreed with or refused to join the mob.
Granted Barrie has not done himself a lot of favours with his style of delivery on here, but ffs some of you lot hang on like terriers when you start. It became relentless, the abuse and insults to the guy’s character and integrity.
What got me was the repetition, you had made your points but that was not enough, you insisted on ramming the same points home over and over (and over ) again.
And for what?.. A guy who is attempting (however misguidedly that may or may not be) to try and show a bit of resistance to the bull [zb] this job kicks up. Not (as I said before start a [zb] ■■■■■■■■■■ ring where that level of abuse would be acceptable)

Again as I said he stood his ground, and his corner single handedly for 24 pages , he does deserve some credit for that.
If this opinion is not popular I couldn’t give a flying [zb], but it is mine.

Not interested in sparking off an argument either (yeh I know, makes a change ) as I’m off to bed.
See ya.

Like ya say, talks cheap. Go put your fiver where your mouth is

Who knows mate? Maybe I have.

[billybigrig]

nick2008:

Rikki-UK:
Barrie has informed me that he will no longer be taking part in this Q&A. the thread will remain open, but as Barrie will no longer defend his position can I remind everyone to keep all comments on subject, civil and objective in line with the forum guidelines

I honestly think the best thing would be to lock it.

Just remember to bookmark it for next time

[thebear]

robroy:

Mike-C:

robroy:
I said earlier I was done with this thread, but I was curious when I noticed Rikki had posted on it again.

I have never been one to jump on a bandwagon, nor ever been afraid what I am thought of, if and when I have gone against the flow, or not agreed with or refused to join the mob.
Granted Barrie has not done himself a lot of favours with his style of delivery on here, but ffs some of you lot hang on like terriers when you start. It became relentless, the abuse and insults to the guy’s character and integrity.
What got me was the repetition, you had made your points but that was not enough, you insisted on ramming the same points home over and over (and over ) again.
And for what?.. A guy who is attempting (however misguidedly that may or may not be) to try and show a bit of resistance to the bull [zb] this job kicks up. Not (as I said before start a [zb] ■■■■■■■■■■ ring where that level of abuse would be acceptable)

Again as I said he stood his ground, and his corner single handedly for 24 pages , he does deserve some credit for that.
If this opinion is not popular I couldn’t give a flying [zb], but it is mine.

Not interested in sparking off an argument either (yeh I know, makes a change ) as I’m off to bed.
See ya.

Like ya say, talks cheap. Go put your fiver where your mouth is

Who knows mate? Maybe I have.

I give you more intelligence than that, good Sir

[honked]

Well that turned out well.

I honestly hope that someone with a bit more sense takes up this crusade, it is after all worthwhile. It doesn’t need to be a union, but a regulated and respected pressure group could do wonders for the industry.

But I thought that was the job of the RHA

[the_sarge]

Just as well barrie ■■■■■■ off. He’s been caught out in a blatant lie regarding whether the Facebook post that Mike C copied was from a closed or open group. As he said, proven liars have no place discussing PDU…