THE PDU-UK "Q&A"

So correct me if I am wrong, but this desire to truly unite drivers only works if you are the leader? - your desire for nothing more than unity amongst drivers has that one caveat- you must be in charge - how will you achieve your aims if people as evidenced here support the ideals but not you as the person to do that. surely if you are as idealistic as you claim you would gladly step down and accept all the financial losses as you have in the past for the greater good.

the PDU is not the problem here almost everyone accepts the principle even your biggest detractors, the problem is you.

I noted above in my post how many times your ideas have failed- so my question is why is this one going to be any different than your previous mishaps

sorry hit return too soon,

This looks and smells like another rehash of the same ideas you have had for the last 14 years, not one of which has achieved any lasting results- your campaigning career has been a list of abject failures yet you want folks to sign up once again, and when they post concerns over your track record you say it is not relevant.

if you want to be a spokesperson it is more than relevant, your credibility is vital and I don’t see that you have that credibility given the past

Mike-C:

the maoster:
I’m a big fan of freedom of choice, also freedom of expression. I absolutely love freedom of speech too, although my freedom of speech urges me to say that this is in serious danger of turning into “picking on the fat kid who wears glasses”, and is getting to be just as distasteful.

It does make you feel sorry for him. But you have to remember he fought hard to come into the bear pit. Many of the old names coming out the woodwork are his old “friends”. I twice stopped any discussion about him and his organisations on here and directed them to go to his own sites.

That wasn’t enough for him.

Barrie Tozer I have sent an official complaint to RBI, but I expect no answer. Rikki who manages the forum holds a grudge against me, but it is wrong to use a forum he manages to use it against the PDU-UK
Like · Reply · 24 March at 13:45

I don’t see a fat kid with glasses getting picked on, i see a fat kid with glasses who will not go away.

THANKS MIKE! At least you answered one of my questions :slight_smile:

Maybe this tactic might have helped?

Dear Mr Transport Minister. My name is Barrie and I have been running a long campaign for better conditions for professional drivers in the UK. It started as a seed and over time has grown into a reasonable sized following of support. I have, over time, developed a website and a forum to allow the gathering of important issues that drivers face in the industry.

I now have a substantial group of 50,000 members in the forum and I have created a platform for the members to raise their concerns. You will read in the attached article the results of the surveys conducted, from which over 30,000 members contributed to air their concerns. You will see that there is a major issue with the DCPC, Overnight Parking facilities, Low wages and how our image is portrayed within the industry.

We, as a group, would welcome a meeting to discuss a way to bring about the changes needed to reverse the decline in our industry. I have a detailed plan that I am sure would go some way towards halting the declining standards we face on a daily basis. If some of these were to be implemented then it would negate the looking driver shortage by encouraging new blood into the work force, retaining key experienced personnel and improve the haulage industry as a whole. A vital role within the economics of our nation.

I would be pleased to if you could allow a slot in your diary to discuss these important issues ASAP.

ps, it has only taken me 15 years to gather around 1000 followers, but don’t worry, I have a plan to get the other 49,000 - trust me on that one.

Barrie.

pps, I would have left the last bit out, but as you’re ignoring me then it won’t matter will it?

this is post 664 in the topic, in 2 more posts it will be the topic of the devil :smiley:

The Sarge:

Mike-C:

the maoster:
I’m a big fan of freedom of choice, also freedom of expression. I absolutely love freedom of speech too, although my freedom of speech urges me to say that this is in serious danger of turning into “picking on the fat kid who wears glasses”, and is getting to be just as distasteful.

It does make you feel sorry for him. But you have to remember he fought hard to come into the bear pit. Many of the old names coming out the woodwork are his old “friends”. I twice stopped any discussion about him and his organisations on here and directed them to go to his own sites.

That wasn’t enough for him.

Barrie Tozer I have sent an official complaint to RBI, but I expect no answer. Rikki who manages the forum holds a grudge against me, but it is wrong to use a forum he manages to use it against the PDU-UK
Like · Reply · 24 March at 13:45

I don’t see a fat kid with glasses getting picked on, i see a fat kid with glasses who will not go away.

THANKS MIKE! At least you answered one of my questions :slight_smile:

:grimacing: :grimacing:

I almost had it, came so close as well.

Dipper_Dave:
I almost had it, came so close as well.

We have a winner!

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I think that we are all fed up with the trite and uninformative answers here. As others have said this person is not the man to lead this group. Yes people have failed and tried again but not one of those people was a soon to be retired truck driver who has neither expertise or correct knowledge in setting up s group for drivers to unite. So long as he remains there as obviously chairman secretary and treasurer (he never mentioned the two latter until I brought it up) the group is doomed to fail. He has no leadership skills no communication skills no financial skills no interpersonal skills no real and thorough knowledge of the legalities of handling others money as a business which this appears to be … sell a membership pack he is a seller they are are buyers. it’s a business. It is not a charity.
It didn’t work 1st time on TW even though he says he has 4000 plus members. Why did they not have faith in him? Then he tries again and is going to charge annual membership but obviously did not look at the legalities of this so it closed down due to 7 naughty drivers he said and reappeared as a group for unity of drivers then it changed again with a lifetime fee of a fiver. How long is a lifetime?

I think this person has single-handledly turned the majority of drivers away from becoming members dueto his perhaps inability to answer probing questions or just reluctant to do so. Whichever one he is not fit for the purpose He has completely questions and moans about them being asked over and over again. Because people want answers that is why and they ain’t getting them. He will blame the detractors rather than himself he thinks he is the new messiah for drivers but he is not and never will be. I would not want him to speak for me and neither would the majority of drivers in the UK if they read this thread. He has continually kept shooting himself in the foot and he cannot see that. He has a really high opinion of his own ability it seems to get things done yet he refuses to reply to very pertinent questions. How can a man such as this represent drivers when he cannot represent himself on a forum thread.

If he wants to waste his money to keep pushing the rock up the hill when it will only roll back down again let him get on with it but please admins lock this thread so he can stop promoting himself and his failing PDU.

Enough is enough everything has been said and nothing satisfactory is coming from him and nothing will ever. He had his chance and he blew it. It has become a farce only without the humout LOCK IT

Thank you Rikki for allowing this thread to run

As you stated to me it was a risk as I had a few haters and once ongoing you had to allow and respect for this.

I have looked back over it and after 23 pages and 668 post it amounted to 15 people who remember the past and hold a rather big hatred of me.
90% of the post have been from these 15

Post after post after post of hate with an intention to try and ensure the PDU got no new members from TN
One has blatantly lied and then continued to post
One has laid false accusation and continued to post

They could but would never accept answers in their plight to ridicule of damage.

15 out of the massive membership on here, many looking on and even some saying it is unbelievable how much hate these few are posting towards me

If I had come on here and offered all new members a gold watch and £5000 each they would have found fault to stop anyone else getting a gold watch and £5000 because they only care about themselves and sod all other drivers.

Thankfully there seems to have been some that have seen past the tirade of hate and still come to our FB Group and joined the PDU so it has helped.

I am sure the PDU will survive without these 15 people and with the support already in place and those telling others we will slowly grow in strength to achieve the aims for all.

Out of here now to go back to the PDU and continue to try and improve conditions.

For the other 6000 odd on here, might see you on our group or as members
many thanks


I have posted what was stated that these 15 failed to read or want to accept so some without hate might want to help improve conditions in the UK

Having been bed re-cooped and now been back over the pages to digest what has happened.

Those 2 days were a bit like sitting round a board table with 20 people asking a question all at once instead of one standing up asking a question and ten giving time to answer it with merit. I felt like standing up and shouting “shut up and talk one at a time”

An open forum cannot allow for that, so I “tried” to answer quickly briefly, very briefly and to some what may have seen as elusive. That was not very good in hindsight.

Although some questions were answered briefly they were answered but some did not get the answer they wanted and so went on a rant and rave to try and get the answer they wanted. A bit like asking for a Mortgage being told no and then shouting at the supervisor for the wrong answer.

As said I have gone back and tried to digest the principle questions most are asking and will now attempt to answer a bit clearer. Split into paragraphs so you can look for your answer.

FINANCIES

This seems to be so important to some and I suspect in some circumstances, so they can look at digging up some dirt to show the PDU in a bad light.

I do not remember when I joined union years ago or my local bowls club sitting down and demanding accounts and finances before joining. Do you all when joining other activities “Demand” to see all the books and accounts? Or do you join because it is of interest to you.

However it is your money so you need to be careful however much and at £5.00 or over 3 year’s 3.2p a week it is a lot.

Firstly all monies are going into a separate bank account for the PDU-UK and will be accountable and if possible at an AGM accounts will be available. Who those accounts are handled by is none of your business and you will have to take my word for it.

Some on here trying to dish the dirt are quick to say it is a scam, lining his own pockets, a retirement plan. “I WISH” I will always be out of pocket using my own money.

I stumped up the initial cost to purchase the Membership packages, as the £5.00 comes in it will go into the bank to purchase the next batch and so I will never get my money back.

£5.00 Income from Membership, then nearly £5.00 sent out to the Member as a Welcome Package, a small amount over might help towards the monthly cost of the website, Forum and form and database handling fees

If the cost of the Merchandise goes up next year then I might be out of pocket for each new member as the £5.00 will not increase.

So yes, I am making a fortune in trying to do something to help Drivers in the UK.

THE MEMBERSHIP

Some asked how many members and received the reply I will not say due to good reason.

Not the answer some wanted so off they went on their rant and rave because it was not the answer they wanted.

Whether the PDU has got one member or 10,000 you will join because what it offers to do is what you want and the actual membership in place makes no difference.

Those asking this question possibly hoped I would answer a low number so they again had an opportunity to put ridicule in place, "Ha.ha, no support it cannot be very good then”

This Forum and others like it do not have members that are only Drivers, many in places of Authority join to read and watch what drivers are up to. I can assure of this as in my forum I have a Government Minister and an ex- RHA Director as members plus others.

So firstly always be careful what you post, secondly I do not want those in higher Authority to know the numbers presently in the PDU-UK. Hence my answer “FOR GOOD REASON”

If you consider the PDU could help then you will join whether it is 10 or 10,000

PLANNING

I put the foundations of the PDU-UK in place.

Over the years talking to many drivers, doing surveys and gathering information recognized there is a need for unity and then to try and tackle the many issues Drivers have within the Industry and a higher level of Government.

The primary issues are published, with possible solutions and means to resolve them.

The first target is to try and bring Drivers together in unity to build the house on the foundations.

The second target for the PDU is to introduce these issues to those in a position of Authority to negotiate the improvements required by Drivers and to benefit everyone and open a door for further talks on resolving the matter at hand.

The Third Target is to ensure the PDU collects as much information as possible from drivers to ensure when addressing the issues it is truly to their requirement. It will then be possible to make a proper presentation for further talks to commence.

Once a professional presentation is available and ready. The PDU then needs to form a lobby of 5-7 Drivers to take these talks further with those in Authority. Each meeting might involve a different lobby of Drivers. It is no good taking five drivers that only do days for talks on overnight parking, or drivers who are under 45 for talks on medicals cost. Each meeting will need its own organising.

There can be no time scale; nothing can happen overnight or quickly, no miracles are in place. To tackle issues will take time so when appropriate benefits can truly be achieved.

The Foundations are in place, but the house will need many professionals, a lot of experience, some alterations, and time to build the brickwork and then together put the roof on to the satisfaction of all involved.

One man cannot build a house; it needs a team, a unity working together on the same project.

MEMBERSHIP COST

Many are asking why was it not FREE or why does it need to cost £5.00

Many of you on here are also members of FB Groups, some with a very large number of drivers so why do one of these groups not arrange meetings and talk to Authority to get improvements.

Mainly because to talk to those at a higher level seriously then you need recognition in doing so.

The PDU-UK could become that name with recognition and so it also wants the membership to be seen as part of it with recognition by ID Card.

It is simply the way the PDU wants to go, some like it some may not but that is the decision of the PDU

£5.00 to join and receive the recognition as part of it.

On becoming a Member with recognition and ID Card can then also bring about its own reward which is why the PDU also decided on this rather than being Free. Already discounts are in place and more to come over time and so all should get their money back and more. Gloves, Sat navs, boots clothing are all available now and just one purchase and you money is back in your pocket.

If and when if possible, there may be an AGM so we can meet up and discuss what the PDU is doing right or wrong. The ID Card will give admission to these and if free there would be no way of knowing.


The PDU-UK is not a scam, it is something new to try and bring drivers together to build a very big house or in fact one that has been falling down for 20 years and needs strengthening back up.
Authorities keep kicking out bricks and making it more difficult to repair and as Drivers you need to stop them continually kicking it, fight back and re build so we can have a safe place and a strong foundation for future generations.

instead of cutting and pasting an advert, how about answering the questions , this is supposed to be a Question and Answer thread not an advert for your latest scheme… my questions was

I noted above in my post how many times your ideas have failed- so my question is why is this one going to be any different than your previous mishaps if you needed reminding of your previous failures…

Truckers Moan,- campaigning organisation- failed rebranded as TruckersWorld
TruckersWorld - campaigning organisation - Failed withdrew from campaigning- now a barren website with next to no usage
PDU-UK (£25 subs) - failed not enough people believed in it
Drivers National Conference - Failed never took place
NOK cards- failed another group provided them for free
Theft text alert - failed no organisation would back it the DFT has serious reservations about LGV drivers receiving texts when driving
Truckers Club - failed- Barry claims it is a success, if so why isn’t it still running, fact is it never covered its costs
and my favourite the £100 DCPC- failed due to his figures simply not adding up and it being totally impossible to achieve

Barrie Tozer:
Post after post after post of hate with an intention to try and ensure the PDU got no new members from TN
One has blatantly lied and then continued to post
One has laid false accusation and continued to post

You lied, you told everyone here i was banned from TW for being abusive. I’m not, and infact you aplogised to me for being abusive to me.
You laid false accusation, you told me i had revealed something “confidential”, i never, its was yourself who done that.

Learn from it, pay attention to what you are saying not what everyone else is doing or you percieve they’re doing.
You really should be able to rise above this pettiness. But unfortunatley i don’t think you ever will, you’ll go on being suspiscious, deleting, banning and directly confrontational to anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Go read some books on Management and how to be a Leader or something usefull. I don’t hate you at all, i just don’t like the way you operate.

“its good to talk”, means you also have to listen or there’s no point.

I haven’t had so much fun on here since my post about the grapes lol … has he finally given up?

Re: THE PDU-UK “Q&A”

Postby Barrie Tozer » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:49 pm
Thank you Rikki for allowing this thread to run

As you stated to me it was a risk as I had a few haters and once ongoing you had to allow and respect for this.

I have looked back over it and after 23 pages and 668 post it amounted to 15 people who remember the past and hold a rather big hatred of me.
90% of the post have been from these 15

Post after post after post of hate with an intention to try and ensure the PDU got no new members from TN
One has blatantly lied and then continued to post
One has laid false accusation and continued to post

They could but would never accept answers in their plight to ridicule of damage.

15 out of the massive membership on here, many looking on and even some saying it is unbelievable how much hate these few are posting towards me

If I had come on here and offered all new members a gold watch and £5000 each they would have found fault to stop anyone else getting a gold watch and £5000 because they only care about themselves and sod all other drivers.

Thankfully there seems to have been some that have seen past the tirade of hate and still come to our FB Group and joined the PDU so it has helped.

I am sure the PDU will survive without these 15 people and with the support already in place and those telling others we will slowly grow in strength to achieve the aims for all.

Out of here now to go back to the PDU and continue to try and improve conditions.

For the other 6000 odd on here, might see you on our group or as members
many thanks

I never lied just posted what an old friend of yours told me and he happens to be a mate of mine too but you keep on so much about this perceived lie makes me suspicious methinks the man doth protest too much. Nobody here hates you just don’t have faith in a failed campaigner and can you blame us. Hope you are having a good day off work Georgie paying you while you are off. You play the sympathy card every time Hear this PDU will be another failure to add to your list of failures you just do not learn. Nobody hates you just don’t like you accept that and get over it

I doubt it, there’s probably another 25+ pages left in this yet :laughing: :laughing:

Due to my passion for freedom of speech (especially ■■■■), I rarely say this but I believe this thread has come to its natural climax.

Questions have been asked, questions have been answered, some answers have raised more questions.

Not all questions have been answered, time may produce these answers.

So much past history here and skeletons in the closet that to put Barrie through any more torture would be beyond cruel.

Barrie to his credit has stuck with it singlehandedly.

I will say this though Barrie when our backs are against the wall it’s not the noise of our enemies that hurts the most it’s the silence of our friends.

Thanks to everyone involved for making this thread possible, at the end of the day Barrie is one of us, he may not lead this to the dizzy heights of Unity just yet but his ideas and dreams will live on.

Firstly all monies are going into a separate bank account for the PDU-UK and will be accountable and if possible at an AGM accounts will be available. Who those accounts are handled by is none of your business and you will have to take my word for it.

So what your saying is if
Semion Mogilevich

Was handling the accounts it would be none of anyone’s business .

Barrie. I have one favour to ask of you after that last statement .

Please remove my membership of your forum TW. I use the same user name there .
With that statement you have made I no longer wish to be associated in any way or form .

Thank you .

Someone ask Nick who this mush is, otherwise I will have to Google ‘Semion Mogilevich’ :unamused: :slight_smile:

Ok Barry if the question is too difficult for you to answer

I noted above in my post how many times your ideas have failed- so my question is why is this one going to be any different than your previous mishaps

perhaps you can answer this one… listed below are your previous schemes

can you one by one tell us why they failed, to who/what you attribute the failure and what lessons you learnt from each failure

Truckers Moan,- campaigning organisation- failed rebranded as TruckersWorld
TruckersWorld - campaigning organisation - Failed withdrew from campaigning- now a barren website with next to no usage
PDU-UK (£25 subs) - failed not enough people believed in it
Drivers National Conference - Failed never took place
NOK cards- failed another group provided them for free
Theft text alert - failed no organisation would back it the DFT has serious reservations about LGV drivers receiving texts when driving
Truckers Club - failed- Barry claims it is a success, if so why isn’t it still running, fact is it never covered its costs
and my favourite the £100 DCPC- failed due to his figures simply not adding up and it being totally impossible to achieve

raymundo:
Someone ask Nick who this mush is, otherwise I will have to Google ‘Semion Mogilevich’ :unamused: :slight_smile:

He’s so say the head of the Russian Mafia
Number 1 naughty boy apparently :wink: