long time no see, I havent been here for a while but seeing as my old mate has posted all over the Facebook groups his latest adventure thought I would follow the links and found myself back here.
So here we are again, I am pretty sure with Barry we have been here many times before, I do understand that some feel folks are putting the boot in, but for many of us it is due to past experiences.
for what it is worth I think the concept is a great idea However I do not believe that Barry is the man to take it forward. To be the figurehead there must be credibility and that is what this lacks under the present leadership. lets look at some facts, not pie in the sky ideas
Schemes/plans proposed by Barry
Truckers Moan,- campaigning organisation- failed rebranded as TruckersWorld
TruckersWorld - campaigning organisation - Failed withdrew from campaigning- now a barren website with next to no usage
PDU-UK (£25 subs) - failed not enough people believed in it
Drivers National Conference - Failed never took place
NOK cards- failed another group provided them for free
Theft text alert - failed no organisation would back it the DFT has serious reservations about LGV drivers receiving texts when driving
Truckers Club - failed- Barry claims it is a success, if so why isn’t it still running, fact is it never covered its costs
and my favourite the £100 DCPC- failed due to his figures simply not adding up and it being totally impossible to achieve
I don’t think Barry is a Scammer, I think he is naive- he has wonderful ideas but his implementation in every one has alienated those who he needs the most. He bans any dissenting voices and attacks to a personal level anyone who does not agree with him
as this is a question and answer my question to barry is simple, if the current membership of the new PDU vote to install someone else as their figurehead will he step down and pass over full control of all the finances and website to someone who may have more credibility.
My question to other people on this thread if Barry stepped down completely and some else took up the helm would your view on the scheme change?
Barrie Tozer:
Mike-C:
Thats off your Facebook page ya nut !!! 
This is public viewing, my FB group is closed and not public.
I don’t believe it!!! You have complained about Mike putting it on here YET it is ok for YOU to put it on your FB page… closed or not … you’re still just as guilty of broadcasting it.
Unbelievable!!! and if your FB page is closed, how did Tonka get a screenshot of it?
Barrie Tozer:
This is public viewing, my FB group is closed and not public.
Hang on, you broadcast publicly (you’ve since changed it) on Facebook that you’ve put a complaint in to RBI, now you’re going to tell Mr.Clarke that you thought it was "confidential " ? Are you kidding me? I don’t know Mr.Clarke, i’ve never spoken to him nor met him but i’ll suspect he’ll tell you if you want to keep it confidential then don’t broadacst it on Facebook. Thats just my guess, like i say i don’t know him.
Mr Tozer when he has no proper response attacks with insults. This is not the sign of a leader of men a man who can do anything for drivers. He is constantly on the defensive and his only way to is attack. He can attack all he likes as it is just making him look a fool and who wants to be associated with one who cannot answer a proper question. I think here is a case of the pot and kettle/ He has criticised Rikki on his pDU page on more than one occasion I could get the proof of that. A man who can do that will do anything to gain support. Not the way to move forward but is going bacwards with every comment he responds. He has shown his true colours here and we should beware of the PDU and not waste money.
He has a treaurer and a secretary in place wow that was the first time we heard that so why was thr treasurer not in here to answer the financial questions. I wonder why he referred to him looking after the finances when he has a treasurer in position. I don’t believe a word of that. He contradicts himself too much on here and he must have a good boss in Georgie letting him have so much time offf to do other work unpaid.
How many of the 72 who had paid up their £25 pounds re signed and paid another five. Can you tell us that. I guess that will be another no no. Only to be expected from an unprofessional an real amateur
TheBear:
Barrie Tozer:
Mike-C:
Thats off your Facebook page ya nut !!!
This is public viewing, my FB group is closed and not public.
I don’t believe it!!! You have complained about Mike putting it on here YET it is ok for YOU to put it on your FB page… closed or not … you’re still just as guilty of broadcasting it.
Different to be public than to a closed Group which is not public
Unbelievable!!! and if your FB page is closed, how did Tonka get a screenshot of it?
Tonka uses different aliases all over the place in case he ever gets recognized when insulting others
TheBear:
Barrie Tozer:
Mike-C:
Thats off your Facebook page ya nut !!!
This is public viewing, my FB group is closed and not public.
I don’t believe it!!! You have complained about Mike putting it on here YET it is ok for YOU to put it on your FB page… closed or not … you’re still just as guilty of broadcasting it.
Unbelievable!!! and if your FB page is closed, how did Tonka get a screenshot of it?
It was a public group when he posted it so wind ter neck in Mr Tozer one law for you and one for another NO WAY what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and don’t even try to lie about this ypu closed the group later
Well Barrie mate you have more patience than me.
Full marks for battering away fighting your corner whilst outnumbered.
Whether you are loved or hated, or for or against you, nobody can argue with that.
If it had been me, I would have lost my rag and said ''Ok you can all go and ■■■■ off" after the first 5 pages.
Whether you are capable of running this scheme or not (and I aint ■■■■■■■ up your back here btw) but you have shown character and ability to stick up for yourself in a fight, maybe this quality signifies your ability to achieve your aims, or at least go a long way to do so.
I am kinda getting bored with this thread now as it has turned into a bit of a marathon based saga going around in circles.
So I will say good luck with your scheme, and I will dip in the thread again if and when we get to about page 50. 
Doors are now open
Barrie,this phrase that constantly comes from you means absolutely ■■■■ all,pardon my French.
It’s your “go to” phrase to try and hoodwink people in my opinion because you never actually divulge anything further than this.
Oh and you can’t sue me for libel because I have clearly stated its my opinion,which we are all entitled to in the free world.
xichrisxi:
Doors are now open
Barrie,this phrase that constantly comes from you means absolutely [zb] all,pardon my French.
It’s your “go to” phrase to try and hoodwink people in my opinion because you never actually divulge anything further than this.
Oh and you can’t sue me for libel because I have clearly stated its my opinion,which we are all entitled to in the free world.
It is just that you cannot be bothered to read anything first.
Email received from Mr Burnett RHA CEO
Barrie
good morning and apologies for the length of time it has taken for me to write, there has been a lot going on in the world of transport since we met and I think its fair to say I have been inundated.
I would of course like to thank you for making time to meet with me in Peterborough to discuss the important role that the driver plays in the logistics industry and the critical issues that you see that are effecting driver retention and recruitment. Clearly as an industry we have a lot of work to do still to attract both a younger audience and woman into the industry as well.
We talked a length about conditions, but there were a number of specific issues that you felt were real priorities that the industry needed to fix to improve driver retention and recruitment in the medium to long term. The issues that you raised and I captured were as follows:
- Long hours
- Wages (£7.50 an hour)
- Drivers being rushed and put under pressure
- Driver CPC - quality of courses, content and cost for those drivers that have paid themselves
- Cost of driver medicals
- Driver facilities, parking, cost of parking
- Treatment of drivers at delivery points
In my experience if you are going to influence change you need good constructive evidence that supports what you are saying. Without this you have no chance of getting Government or Industry to listen.
As I explained on the day, I am happy to engage further and reaffirm my offer of a round table discussion. If you could organise a group and cross section of drivers, I will organise a date and venue to listen.
This session will need to be constructive, balanced and informative, but also needs to be supported with facts and figures that back up the views and opinions that we discussed. That means anecdotal evidence won’t cut it, and a real poll of your members on the issues that you raised is critical to both understanding the issues, but then addressing them with pragmatic solutions in the longer term. For instance on drivers wages, how many business’s pay £7.50 an hour, in what sectors (general haulage, livestock, tipper etc?), is it a flat rate or a rate based upon minimum basic hours plus time and half thereafter with double time for weekends?
I hope this summary captures the essence of what we discussed and look forward to catching up again soon. I will of course be in touch with a date, time of location for our agreed round table discussion.
Regards
Richard Burnett
xichrisxi:
Doors are now open
Barrie,this phrase that constantly comes from you means absolutely [zb] all,pardon my French.
It’s your “go to” phrase to try and hoodwink people in my opinion because you never actually divulge anything further than this.
Oh and you can’t sue me for libel because I have clearly stated its my opinion,which we are all entitled to in the free world.
Any one of us could get meetings with government or the RHA on a pretext. He has not got the divine right though he gives the impression he has. (though why that one as it for owners and companies mostly and do little for drivers) Wonder why he didn’t try the Unions but then he he thinks they are useless Is the pDU going to do better No way. Will never have the clout to do anything but dream on
DonutUK:
There above is in answer as stated I do not want is posted on an open forum, lets just say we need to open doors and to do so be seen as stronger than we are at present.
So Barrie, how many members have you told the RHA you represent?
In other words it is EXACTLY as I suggested…you don’t have enough members to be taken seriously so seek to deceive and misdirect to appear credible.
Or am I reading that wrong?
Any danger of an answer?
As to how you have presented your numbers to the RHA?
Barrie Tozer:
xichrisxi:
Doors are now open
Barrie,this phrase that constantly comes from you means absolutely [zb] all,pardon my French.
It’s your “go to” phrase to try and hoodwink people in my opinion because you never actually divulge anything further than this.
Oh and you can’t sue me for libel because I have clearly stated its my opinion,which we are all entitled to in the free world.
It is just that you cannot be bothered to read anything first.
Email received from Mr Burnett RHA CEO
Barrie
good morning and apologies for the length of time it has taken for me to write, there has been a lot going on in the world of transport since we met and I think its fair to say I have been inundated.
I would of course like to thank you for making time to meet with me in Peterborough to discuss the important role that the driver plays in the logistics industry and the critical issues that you see that are effecting driver retention and recruitment. Clearly as an industry we have a lot of work to do still to attract both a younger audience and woman into the industry as well.
We talked a length about conditions, but there were a number of specific issues that you felt were real priorities that the industry needed to fix to improve driver retention and recruitment in the medium to long term. The issues that you raised and I captured were as follows:
- Long hours
- Wages (£7.50 an hour)
- Drivers being rushed and put under pressure
- Driver CPC - quality of courses, content and cost for those drivers that have paid themselves
- Cost of driver medicals
- Driver facilities, parking, cost of parking
- Treatment of drivers at delivery points
In my experience if you are going to influence change you need good constructive evidence that supports what you are saying. Without this you have no chance of getting Government or Industry to listen.
As I explained on the day, I am happy to engage further and reaffirm my offer of a round table discussion. If you could organise a group and cross section of drivers, I will organise a date and venue to listen.
This session will need to be constructive, balanced and informative, but also needs to be supported with facts and figures that back up the views and opinions that we discussed. That means anecdotal evidence won’t cut it, and a real poll of your members on the issues that you raised is critical to both understanding the issues, but then addressing them with pragmatic solutions in the longer term. For instance on drivers wages, how many business’s pay £7.50 an hour, in what sectors (general haulage, livestock, tipper etc?), is it a flat rate or a rate based upon minimum basic hours plus time and half thereafter with double time for weekends?
I hope this summary captures the essence of what we discussed and look forward to catching up again soon. I will of course be in touch with a date, time of location for our agreed round table discussion.
Regards
Richard Burnett
How many drivers do you know on £7.50ph Barrie?or did you exaggerate that statement just for him?
xichrisxi:
Barrie Tozer:
xichrisxi:
Doors are now open
Barrie,this phrase that constantly comes from you means absolutely [zb] all,pardon my French.
It’s your “go to” phrase to try and hoodwink people in my opinion because you never actually divulge anything further than this.
Oh and you can’t sue me for libel because I have clearly stated its my opinion,which we are all entitled to in the free world.
It is just that you cannot be bothered to read anything first.
Email received from Mr Burnett RHA CEO
Barrie
good morning and apologies for the length of time it has taken for me to write, there has been a lot going on in the world of transport since we met and I think its fair to say I have been inundated.
I would of course like to thank you for making time to meet with me in Peterborough to discuss the important role that the driver plays in the logistics industry and the critical issues that you see that are effecting driver retention and recruitment. Clearly as an industry we have a lot of work to do still to attract both a younger audience and woman into the industry as well.
We talked a length about conditions, but there were a number of specific issues that you felt were real priorities that the industry needed to fix to improve driver retention and recruitment in the medium to long term. The issues that you raised and I captured were as follows:
- Long hours
- Wages (£7.50 an hour)
- Drivers being rushed and put under pressure
- Driver CPC - quality of courses, content and cost for those drivers that have paid themselves
- Cost of driver medicals
- Driver facilities, parking, cost of parking
- Treatment of drivers at delivery points
In my experience if you are going to influence change you need good constructive evidence that supports what you are saying. Without this you have no chance of getting Government or Industry to listen.
As I explained on the day, I am happy to engage further and reaffirm my offer of a round table discussion. If you could organise a group and cross section of drivers, I will organise a date and venue to listen.
This session will need to be constructive, balanced and informative, but also needs to be supported with facts and figures that back up the views and opinions that we discussed. That means anecdotal evidence won’t cut it, and a real poll of your members on the issues that you raised is critical to both understanding the issues, but then addressing them with pragmatic solutions in the longer term. For instance on drivers wages, how many business’s pay £7.50 an hour, in what sectors (general haulage, livestock, tipper etc?), is it a flat rate or a rate based upon minimum basic hours plus time and half thereafter with double time for weekends?
I hope this summary captures the essence of what we discussed and look forward to catching up again soon. I will of course be in touch with a date, time of location for our agreed round table discussion.
Regards
Richard Burnett
How many drivers do you know on £7.50ph Barrie?or did you exaggerate that statement just for him?
I know a number on £7.50 an hour, but is also why the surveys are out and gathering more information
I guess I don’t warrant an answer then
volvo2:
TheBear:
Barrie Tozer:
Mike-C:
Thats off your Facebook page ya nut !!!
This is public viewing, my FB group is closed and not public.
I don’t believe it!!! You have complained about Mike putting it on here YET it is ok for YOU to put it on your FB page… closed or not … you’re still just as guilty of broadcasting it.
Unbelievable!!! and if your FB page is closed, how did Tonka get a screenshot of it?
It was a public group when he posted it so wind ter neck in Mr Tozer one law for you and one for another NO WAY what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and don’t even try to lie about this ypu closed the group later
Just clarify a point raised…
Please notice the dates between the two
And the following occurred FOUR days later when the group settings were changed to “closed” from an Open Setting
As you say Barrie
Snapshot taken
robroy:
Ok, here’s a legit set of questions on a subject relavent to trampers.
What can your organisation do to sort out the appalling overnight parking problems.
Do you seriously believe you or anybody else can influence or persuade town councils to provide designated truck parks in, or adjacent to town facilities, as in the old days.
Given that there are local elections in some parts of the country he could mobilise his members to get speaking with the candidates, maybe getting some commitments to improve the availability of parking. 
That would be an interesting, practical thing that would raise the profile particularly if they were writing letters/ emails to the local press, joining the debate on local broadcasters.
However I don’t think that would be a comfortable experience as in my own area a park and ride scheme was shut down because of a lack of money and one gentleman did suggest that it might be a good lorry park given it was less than 2 miles from 3 industrial estates and the trunk network. The local residents objected very loudly and it died the death. The site is now derelict and a bleeding eye sore.
As to Mr Tozer he first came onto my radar about 2001-2 with a letter to the Truckstop News and the gist of it was why are drivers not united? Are they all happy in their work Pretty much the same as we are hearing now. I haven’t contributed beyond asking what his manifesto is for achieving the unity he clearly seeks and didn’t get an answer. Other folks who asked the same were referred to his website which TBH I couldn’t be bothered to look at after he put up his letter from the RHA meeting, his issues are not my issues. The main thing that I take from this whole sorry episode is how poorly prepared Mr Tozer was to handle question and answer thread. He must have known he would be challenged on his past record, he should have had clear concise responses to those challenges but, while he may think the answers appropriate the people putting them clearly did not. He had a chance to inform and inspire but instead was vague and evasive and blew it big time
I don’t think I have any part to play in the PDU-UK and, at the risk of taking some stick, don’t think Mr Tozer is someone I want to represent me in any public Forum or be associated with. His record is not good enough.
Barrie Tozer:
Mike-C:
the maoster:
I’m a big fan of freedom of choice, also freedom of expression. I absolutely love freedom of speech too, although my freedom of speech urges me to say that this is in serious danger of turning into “picking on the fat kid who wears glasses”, and is getting to be just as distasteful.
It does make you feel sorry for him. But you have to remember he fought hard to come into the bear pit. Many of the old names coming out the woodwork are his old “friends”. I twice stopped any discussion about him and his organisations on here and directed them to go to his own sites.
That wasn’t enough for him.
Barrie Tozer I have sent an official complaint to RBI, but I expect no answer. Rikki who manages the forum holds a grudge against me, but it is wrong to use a forum he manages to use it against the PDU-UK
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I don’t see a fat kid with glasses getting picked on, i see a fat kid with glasses who will not go away.
snapshot taken
I was assured by Mr Clark that an official complaint is confidential and here you are posting it on an open forum.
He also informed me that no third party outside Management had knowledge of the Complaint
you have by posting this shown your Top boss as a liar (not very respectful is that)
The complaint was discussed and along with Rikki, the format of this topic was agreed.
I will say no more on this as other proceedings are in process
OMFG 
seriously
You’ve ■■■■■■ on your chips so many times on this website, and others, yet expect them to entertain you to basically plug another one of your sinking ships. Knowing fullwell this is not a campaigning site and Rikki, quite rightly wouldn’t allow it, you run to his bosses booing like a teething baby 
Wow, I mean seriously, just WOW. That is lower than a rattlesnakes belly
So, is that Respect and Credit to Rikki?? I think not.
Then to basically brag about it elsewhere, yet have the bare faced cheek to feel aggreived when busted for it.
You, sir, have offended and misled every member on here, betrayed confidences and proven beyond all shadow of a doubt the kind of person you are.
This is nothing to do with helping anyone or anything other than your own ego.
Credit indeed though to Rikki though for being the bigger man and biting his tongue long enough for you to orchestrste your own downfall…yet again.
FH12guy:
I guess I don’t warrant an answer then
sorry missed your question which was:-
as this is a question and answer my question to barry is simple, if the current membership of the new PDU vote to install someone else as their figurehead will he step down and pass over full control of all the finances and website to someone who may have more credibility.
When it was a subscription there was in place a “constitution” to do so, but now it is a different format of non-profit there is not in place anything for it.
If you find someone who will reimburse me all my losses, takeover the monthly out goings and do all the footwork for no money then please point him/her in my direction
My last post here,I’ve not seen anything to convince me to join so I won’t waste anymore time posting.
One thing that stand out massively,even more than anything else is after 14 years of you “trying to get truckers a better deal” is that you have absolutely no (unless I’ve missed them) supporters who have seen you make any changes in the last 14 years and are on here or your Facebook pages telling everyone that’ll listen what great work you’ve done.
In a roundabout way you are applying for a 35k a year job but can’t supply and references from your past work in this area.
That for me speaks volumes,surely you should have a mass of followers after 14 years who you have helped/aided or got a better deal for?,it’s seems you have none…this tells its own story.
I’m out.
