Are you related to carryfast by any chance.
Herongate:
Barrie Tozer:
Herongate:
Barrie Tozer:
What difference does it make?Is this how you deal with RHA? DoT? Other agencies etc? Simple questions deserve simple correct answers or you’ll never be taken seriously
You keep asking and I have given the reason
So why do you want to know?No, you’ve said for good reason but not what that reason is. Dodging a very basic question is truly pathetic and your continued childish responses show that under your leadership PDU is going nowhere
You cannot answer one simple question that you have asked 20 times of why you need to know?
If maybe I consider it is a good reason then I might reconsider but for now and without good reason you have your answer in the quotes above
PDU-UK
Unknown membership
No strategies in place
No forward planning
No financial information available for scrutiny
No previous success in campaigning
No office
No secretary
No treasurer
No committee just a lobby mentioned
No legal details available
I know not a jot more about the PDU than is on its page and website we were referred to the website as an answer to many questions.
Question Why did you really want a question and answer thread?
It certainly wasn’t to answer probing questions which by the reluctance to do so leaves big doubts in people’s minds
Was it just a chance to try to promote the PDU as you were not having much success anywhere else?
The lads in here are not stupid though you appear to think we all are because we don’t agree with you. It has to be your way or no way which I would imagine this is the reason for never having much support from TW mambership.
Would i join this maybe with a different person in charge one who would be open to criticism and who would have an open mind not a closed one. One who has the credentials to organise and run the group in a democratic way. One who has the ability to communicate without resorting to insults and accusations One who has the knowledge to put strategies in place. One who is not using the PDU as a vessel for his own importance to truckers for after all you said that is what I believe it is.
Would I join it today with Mr Tozer in charge Absolutely NOT. He is not to me leadership material.
volvo2:
PDU-UKUnknown membership -to you
No strategies in place - Posted
No forward planning - posted
No financial information available for scrutiny - no requirement
No previous success in campaigning - ask some others
No office - - not needed
No secretary - in place
No treasurer - in place
No committee just a lobby mentioned - a lobby is a committee
No legal details available to youI know not a jot more about the PDU than is on its page and website we were referred to the website as an answer to many questions.
Can you not read
Question Why did you really want a question and answer thread?
It certainly wasn’t to answer probing questions which by the reluctance to do so leaves big doubts in people’s minds
Was it just a chance to try to promote the PDU as you were not having much success anywhere else?The lads in here are not stupid though you appear to think we all are because we don’t agree with you. It has to be your way or no way which I would imagine this is the reason for never having much support from TW mambership.
You might look a bit stupid after last nights post, but many on here have my respect and is why I want some in the PDU, experienced and wise people to help it
Would i join this maybe with a different person in charge one who would be open to criticism and who would have an open mind not a closed one. One who has the credentials to organise and run the group in a democratic way. One who has the ability to communicate without resorting to insults and accusations One who has the knowledge to put strategies in place. One who is not using the PDU as a vessel for his own importance to truckers for after all you said that is what I believe it is.
Would I join it today with Mr Tozer in charge Absolutely NOT
Good, proven liars are best out than in
volvo2:
Would I join it today with Mr Tozer in charge Absolutely NOT
Well don’t then.
It’s called freedom of choice.
I’m a big fan of freedom of choice, also freedom of expression. I absolutely love freedom of speech too, although my freedom of speech urges me to say that this is in serious danger of turning into “picking on the fat kid who wears glasses”, and is getting to be just as distasteful.
Ok… It shows credibility of PDU, it’s take up & growth, membership sustainability and whether is it or could / could not become a force to be recognised and taken seriously by the people you want to negotiate with.
If in PDU’s first year you had 100 members out of say 500,000 potential members, it would be questionable as to whether there was sufficient interest for various agencies to engage with you as they would say you don’t represent a wide and varied percentage of the UK drivers. But if that 100 members showed a steady & improving growth rate month by month, with no (or minimal) leavers then various agencies may say ok, small but growing & improving, let’s talk.
Plus on the same basis it would encourage drivers to join you, if they saw an improving membership - they too may think, this is going somewhere, it’s improving, unity in numbers etc etc.
If you had answered the very first person who asked how many members by saying, well at present we have 250 paid up members and am growing at 20 per week (and you could evidence it if asked) then you would gain some respect. Maybe your website could have a counter showing member numbers and take up rate.
People will only follow you for two reasons
1 - because other people already are (sheep mentality)
2 - because you inspire them to follow you - which looking at some of the posting on here, you’re failing at.
You don’t inspire people by giving child-like answers, or cutting people off and refusing to answer their questions, you answer openly & honestly and spin it back in your favour.
Barrie Tozer:
volvo2:
PDU-UKUnknown membership -to you
No strategies in place - Posted
No forward planning - posted
No financial information available for scrutiny - no requirement
No previous success in campaigning - ask some others
No office - - not needed
No secretary - in place
No treasurer - in place
No committee just a lobby mentioned - a lobby is a committee
No legal details available to youI know not a jot more about the PDU than is on its page and website we were referred to the website as an answer to many questions.
Can you not read
Question Why did you really want a question and answer thread?
It certainly wasn’t to answer probing questions which by the reluctance to do so leaves big doubts in people’s minds
Was it just a chance to try to promote the PDU as you were not having much success anywhere else?The lads in here are not stupid though you appear to think we all are because we don’t agree with you. It has to be your way or no way which I would imagine this is the reason for never having much support from TW mambership.
You might look a bit stupid after last nights post, but many on here have my respect and is why I want some in the PDU, experienced and wise people to help it
Would i join this maybe with a different person in charge one who would be open to criticism and who would have an open mind not a closed one. One who has the credentials to organise and run the group in a democratic way. One who has the ability to communicate without resorting to insults and accusations One who has the knowledge to put strategies in place. One who is not using the PDU as a vessel for his own importance to truckers for after all you said that is what I believe it is.
Would I join it today with Mr Tozer in charge Absolutely NOT
Good, proven liars are best out than in
You have contradicted yourself here you said you had no strategy no structured forward planning in place but was waiting too get the numbers then do surveys etc and then put a strategy in place Have you a bad memory I don’t
And all above should be available to prospective members so you are making a fool of yourself there. You really have no idea of setting up an organisation in the correct way. You might be able to organise a party in Skegness but this is a much more serious situation and you continually pretend it is not Get real
No office - - not needed so it IS an amateur micky mouse job from home then. Says it all really PDU is going nowhere accept it
the maoster:
I’m a big fan of freedom of choice, also freedom of expression. I absolutely love freedom of speech too, although my freedom of speech urges me to say that this is in serious danger of turning into “picking on the fat kid who wears glasses”, and is getting to be just as distasteful.
It does make you feel sorry for him. But you have to remember he fought hard to come into the bear pit. Many of the old names coming out the woodwork are his old “friends”. I twice stopped any discussion about him and his organisations on here and directed them to go to his own sites.
That wasn’t enough for him.
Barrie Tozer I have sent an official complaint to RBI, but I expect no answer. Rikki who manages the forum holds a grudge against me, but it is wrong to use a forum he manages to use it against the PDU-UK
Like · Reply · 24 March at 13:45
I don’t see a fat kid with glasses getting picked on, i see a fat kid with glasses who will not go away.
Herongate:
Ok… It shows credibility of PDU, it’s take up & growth, membership sustainability and whether is it or could / could not become a force to be recognised and taken seriously by the people you want to negotiate with.It is being taken seriously with one meeting been help to open the door with the RHA and an open invite to meet with the DFT
If in PDU’s first year you had 100 members out of say 500,000 potential members, it would be questionable as to whether there was sufficient interest for various agencies to engage with you as they would say you don’t represent a wide and varied percentage of the UK drivers. But if that 100 members showed a steady & improving growth rate month by month, with no (or minimal) leavers then various agencies may say ok, small but growing & improving, let’s talk.
There above is in answer as stated I do not want is posted on an open forum, lets just say we need to open doors and to do so be seen as stronger than we are at present.
Plus on the same basis it would encourage drivers to join you, if they saw an improving membership - they too may think, this is going somewhere, it’s improving, unity in numbers etc etc.
The PDU will prove itself over time, It would be an improving membership and is but maybe instead of asking continuos questions give it support and then tall your friend and then we grow faster.
If you had answered the very first person who asked how many members by saying, well at present we have 250 paid up members and am growing at 20 per week (and you could evidence it if asked) then you would gain some respect. Maybe your website could have a counter showing member numbers and take up rate.
I answered the very first question asking and informed, but like you others could not accept that answer
Again, It is not for public viewingPeople will only follow you for two reasons
1 - because other people already are (sheep mentality) Why, are many not intelligent enough to make their own minds up, unity starts with one
2 - because you inspire them to follow you - which looking at some of the posting on here, you’re failing at. Still here answering questions but it has been taken over from questions to some just wanting to ridicule
You don’t inspire people by giving child-like answers, or cutting people off and refusing to answer their questions, you answer openly & honestly and spin it back in your favour.
Which is why I am now ignoring some childish behaviour of some, rather than repeating the same answers, getting frustrated at their continuos back stabbing and answering those who genuinely seem interestd and asking more about it.
You see I will answer questions if respectfully put to me, You might not always like the answer but if you do not it doesn’t mean I will change it just because you go on and on and on with the same question until you hope I will. a answer might not always suit all people. that is life.
volvo2:
Barrie Tozer:
volvo2:
PDU-UKUnknown membership -to you
No strategies in place - Posted
No forward planning - posted
No financial information available for scrutiny - no requirement
No previous success in campaigning - ask some others
No office - - not needed
No secretary - in place
No treasurer - in place
No committee just a lobby mentioned - a lobby is a committee
No legal details available to youI know not a jot more about the PDU than is on its page and website we were referred to the website as an answer to many questions.
Can you not read
Question Why did you really want a question and answer thread?
It certainly wasn’t to answer probing questions which by the reluctance to do so leaves big doubts in people’s minds
Was it just a chance to try to promote the PDU as you were not having much success anywhere else?The lads in here are not stupid though you appear to think we all are because we don’t agree with you. It has to be your way or no way which I would imagine this is the reason for never having much support from TW mambership.
You might look a bit stupid after last nights post, but many on here have my respect and is why I want some in the PDU, experienced and wise people to help it
Would i join this maybe with a different person in charge one who would be open to criticism and who would have an open mind not a closed one. One who has the credentials to organise and run the group in a democratic way. One who has the ability to communicate without resorting to insults and accusations One who has the knowledge to put strategies in place. One who is not using the PDU as a vessel for his own importance to truckers for after all you said that is what I believe it is.
Would I join it today with Mr Tozer in charge Absolutely NOT
Good, proven liars are best out than in
You have contradicted yourself here you said you had no strategy no structured forward planning in place but was waiting too get the numbers then do surveys etc and then put a strategy in place Have you a bad memory I don’t
And all above should be available to prospective members so you are making a fool of yourself there. You really have no idea of setting up an organisation in the correct way. You might be able to organise a party in Skegness but this is a much more serious situation and you continually pretend it is not Get real
You stated you are out so good bye
volvo2:
No office - - not needed so it IS an amateur micky mouse job from home then. Says it all really PDU is going nowhere accept it
You have shown yourself up already, a proven liar seen on here and now this
An office would need an income and then you complain about paying £5.00 with no profit
you just are not in the real world,
ignore from now.
You know what Mike? As always you do provide a compelling argument, and I’ll freely admit to not being involved in or privy to any previous dealings that folk may or may not have had with Mr Tozer.
It may well be proven that the majority of posters were in fact correct and I was trying to defend the indefensible. It may also turn out in the fullness of time that Mr Tozer is acting from a purely altruistic standpoint? Either way what will be will be. It’s probably just my nature to tilt at windmills that urges me to respond, I have no particular axe to grind either way.
Mike-C:
the maoster:
I’m a big fan of freedom of choice, also freedom of expression. I absolutely love freedom of speech too, although my freedom of speech urges me to say that this is in serious danger of turning into “picking on the fat kid who wears glasses”, and is getting to be just as distasteful.It does make you feel sorry for him. But you have to remember he fought hard to come into the bear pit. Many of the old names coming out the woodwork are his old “friends”. I twice stopped any discussion about him and his organisations on here and directed them to go to his own sites.
That wasn’t enough for him.
Barrie Tozer I have sent an official complaint to RBI, but I expect no answer. Rikki who manages the forum holds a grudge against me, but it is wrong to use a forum he manages to use it against the PDU-UK
Like · Reply · 24 March at 13:45I don’t see a fat kid with glasses getting picked on, i see a fat kid with glasses who will not go away.
snapshot taken
I was assured by Mr Clark that an official complaint is confidential and here you are posting it on an open forum.
He also informed me that no third party outside Management had knowledge of the Complaint
you have by posting this shown your Top boss as a liar (not very respectful is that)
The complaint was discussed and along with Rikki, the format of this topic was agreed.
I will say no more on this as other proceedings are in process
The-Snowman:
Its gone beyond repeating questions that don’t get answered to nothing more than booting a guy in a stones.
The fact the guy has had failures in the past isn’t really a massive problem in itself. Some of the biggest companies in the world were founded by guys on there umpteenth attempt and anyone who gives up after the first attempt doesn’t have what it takes anyway. Its too his credit he keeps trying.
I don’t believe what some are implying that he’s a con man and just trying to get as much money as he can for his retirement fund. If that was his aim, I don’t think he’d keep coming back on here and posting. He’d have given up about 16 pages back. The fact he keeps coming back tells me that he DOES actually believe in the PDU and what he wants to achieve. I believe he does actually have the intentions of at least trying to make things better.
However, I don’t think he is the man for the job. He doesn’t appear to have a strategy or a “battle plan” and he doesn’t answer questions he doesn’t like. I don’t hold it against him for fighting back when he was insulted, anyone would do the same, but the fact he does and chooses to ignore people is not becoming of a leader.
I am wary of the fact that he dodges questions about his financial set up but I think that is nothing more than poor management. I don’t think it is anything sinister due to his repeated posting on the thread. Anyone with something to hide would have stopped posting long ago. In my opinion, hes just a guy who has set something up to try to help drivers but is just unprepared. I think his intentions are pure but he just isnt the man to lead the cause. That’s just my opinion though and I may be wrong. He has said the PDU will continue so I commend him on it for pushing on.
However, I think the character assassination is a bit much and it has descended to nothnig more than just laying the boot in.
Its way beyond asking for answers now and is now bordering on hatred.
Only he knows why he wont answer questions about the finances, his strategy or whatever but if he wont answer then let people draw their own conclusions and make up their own mind. Coming back and asking again while getting an insult/slagging in isn’t going to change anything. I didnt get an answer to my question back on page 3 but I drew my own conclusions from that and didnt see the point in pursuing it with insults. Time for others to do the same I think as its starting to get out of hand and out of order.
But there in lies a big part of the problem. Some of what you say could be excused if it was coming from a greenhorn, but this is from a guy who has been trying to do this for 15 years!! Everyone knows the issues that need sorting so would have expected a seasoned campaigner to have come with an agenda of say DCPC, overnight parking, 48hrs week ect…
As for the membership numbers, I wouldn’t expect him to say because if they were big enough to open the doors he wouldn’t be doing this Q&A, and the growth would be organic. There is a fair chance that the actaul numbers are alot less than has been claimed in discussions with other organisations (standard practice all around and not a accusation) so would show badly if revealed on an open froum.
Barrie Tozer:
Mike-C:
the maoster:
I’m a big fan of freedom of choice, also freedom of expression. I absolutely love freedom of speech too, although my freedom of speech urges me to say that this is in serious danger of turning into “picking on the fat kid who wears glasses”, and is getting to be just as distasteful.It does make you feel sorry for him. But you have to remember he fought hard to come into the bear pit. Many of the old names coming out the woodwork are his old “friends”. I twice stopped any discussion about him and his organisations on here and directed them to go to his own sites.
That wasn’t enough for him.
Barrie Tozer I have sent an official complaint to RBI, but I expect no answer. Rikki who manages the forum holds a grudge against me, but it is wrong to use a forum he manages to use it against the PDU-UK
Like · Reply · 24 March at 13:45I don’t see a fat kid with glasses getting picked on, i see a fat kid with glasses who will not go away.
snapshot taken
I was assured by Mr Clark that an official complaint is confidential and here you are posting it on an open forum.The complaint was discussed and along with Rikki, the format of this topic was agreed
Thats off your Facebook page ya nut !!! 
There above is in answer as stated I do not want is posted on an open forum, lets just say we need to open doors and to do so be seen as stronger than we are at present.
So Barrie, how many members have you told the RHA you represent?
In other words it is EXACTLY as I suggested…you don’t have enough members to be taken seriously so seek to deceive and misdirect to appear credible.
Or am I reading that wrong?
Mike-C:
Barrie Tozer:
Mike-C:
the maoster:
I’m a big fan of freedom of choice, also freedom of expression. I absolutely love freedom of speech too, although my freedom of speech urges me to say that this is in serious danger of turning into “picking on the fat kid who wears glasses”, and is getting to be just as distasteful.It does make you feel sorry for him. But you have to remember he fought hard to come into the bear pit. Many of the old names coming out the woodwork are his old “friends”. I twice stopped any discussion about him and his organisations on here and directed them to go to his own sites.
That wasn’t enough for him.
Barrie Tozer I have sent an official complaint to RBI, but I expect no answer. Rikki who manages the forum holds a grudge against me, but it is wrong to use a forum he manages to use it against the PDU-UK
Like · Reply · 24 March at 13:45I don’t see a fat kid with glasses getting picked on, i see a fat kid with glasses who will not go away.
snapshot taken
I was assured by Mr Clark that an official complaint is confidential and here you are posting it on an open forum.The complaint was discussed and along with Rikki, the format of this topic was agreed
Thats off your Facebook page ya nut !!!
This is public viewing, my FB group is closed and not public.
Am I being ignored Barrie?