THE PDU-UK "Q&A"

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Barrie Tozer:

DonutUK:
Barrie,

Finances…unions publish their accounts, so available to anyone who wishes to see them before they join. They are also regulated by the Certification Officer so lots of information available in the public domain regarding their conduct, structure etc
That’s why people don’t need to ‘demand’ accounts, it’s already available.
If you’re expecting people to part with money, of course it’s their business who accounts for it and how it is handled. Don’t be so naive.

Members…the only reason you could want to hide your membership numbers from ‘those in authority’ is because they are pitifully small and would undermine your claims that you represent drivers. If your numbers were massive, or even respectable, you would be shouting it from the rooftops because it would legitimise your claim to be representative of drivers.
Do you really think that we are idiots, or that those authority figures are, and can’t see straight through your ‘good reason’?

Not interested in the rest because until you can get it right on those 2 basic issues you will never succeed with the rest.
You may get a few members who are mates or dont know any better, but you will never unite a workforce with smoke and mirrors.

The PDU is not for you then, goodbye

Ermmm, sorry Barry - that’s not the way it works in here. YOU don’t get to decide who is allowed to post on threads.
Thank you for you lengthy response, covered quite a few of my concerns. Not all of them, but I’m giving up on getting meaningful answers to the rest of the questions on here. Still gonna pop in to see if any more information is forthcoming, but can’t see me joining an organisation with you at the head of it.
Bon chance…

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robroy:
Ok, here’s a legit set of questions on a subject relavent to trampers.

What can your organisation do to sort out the appalling overnight parking problems.

It has been an ongoing problem for many years, 5 years ago working with the RHA/FTA we managed to get Government to introduce the “Lorry Parking Strategy” meaning lots of expensive gov consultation and as dept move it fell into the bin. It needs to be pushed again not by just the PDU but the RHA/FTA as well.

Do you seriously believe you or anybody else can influence or persuade town councils to provide designated truck parks in, or adjacent to town facilities, as in the old days.

Yes, and I presented to Gov how it could be done with the costings and proposals in a presentation and they liked it, but again depts moved and it gor lost, again it needs a fresh push

Do you believe you can persuade MSA management to charge reasonable realistic park charges in favour of the extortionate ■■■■ take present charges.

No, but maybe there is a way to get Government to reduce the rates for each bay provided for lorry parking at MSAs and private lorry parks to then reduce the cost

Do you believe you will be able to stop the growing trend of ind ests prohibiting overnight parking.

Possibly not, but we could get new builds to provide it within new planning applcations

If you can assure me that you are confident of getting results through time, my fiver will be on it’s way.

There is never a guarantee, but with a lobby of drivers we can try and is why I have stated we need to work with the Industry to achieve some of them

Not trying to catch you out Barrie, but these set of questions illlustrate how much of an uphill, bordering on impossible, task you will have if this thing gets off the ground.

Apathy, trust, attitude, many things are stopping Drivers uniting, and yet most know it is the only way things will improve. The PDU has only put the ladder in place and not even got to the first step. Yes it is difficult, but to give in will never allow it to begin

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Barrie Tozer:

volvo2:

robroy:
Sorry if I’m wayyyy behind everybody else on this :blush: but is Barrie still involved in his T.world forum or is this PDU an alternative set up to it.
If he is still active on TW, how successful, or not, was his recruitment to PDU on there.
If this is a bloody silly question, as there may be common knowledge I aint aware of, apologies. :blush:

The first venture into this PDU on TW had little support from the members and Mr Tozer made an announcement on that forum that he was giving up all campaigning. He could not get the support but I guess he will have deleted that post now

Have you replied to Rikki or got the correct facts from your friend that spoke to his sister yesterday. (all nicely put alledgedly)

A PROVEN liar on this forum and best ignored

I have indeed and he won’t be checking out tih your employer I apologise for that but I stand by my own view that because you have refuseds to answer questions and ignored others for wjstever reason mkes everyone suspicious Yo have to admit that yourself I am going to hand over money to a stranger I want to know about him and I want to know how exactly he will use my money be it a fiver or a monkey I want to know as does most people.
Many questions were answered with thesame answer cgeck the site. YOu knew you were coming in to answer hard questions yet you apperared not to have made any preparation for this. That is not the way to go. You were even unsure how much money was left fromthe fivers about whatever was the answer. That is not good accounting and you should have had that on the tip of your tongue bot I will have to check that. But then as you are a busy tramper with little time to do much during the week you may have let it slip but that is not good enough for a so called professional. You should take the criticism some has been constructive but jifyou cannot take that on a forum I dread to think how you would take it from the authorities Would you reply in the same manner you replied here.
One thing that ran through this whole thread was your disdain for so many drivers here those you are supposedly trying to help because they asked awkward questions.

calling me a LIAR was a bad mistake Mr Tozer I have my doubts about you and your ability just from your behaviour herebut I never called you a LIAR You are too secretive with this whole thing it should be open to scrutiny for any potential members

As for my mate no sister involved but my mate was at your social gathering once was a member of TW you may know him he certainly knows you.

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The Sarge:

Barrie Tozer:

DonutUK:
Barrie,

Finances…unions publish their accounts, so available to anyone who wishes to see them before they join. They are also regulated by the Certification Officer so lots of information available in the public domain regarding their conduct, structure etc
That’s why people don’t need to ‘demand’ accounts, it’s already available.
If you’re expecting people to part with money, of course it’s their business who accounts for it and how it is handled. Don’t be so naive.

Members…the only reason you could want to hide your membership numbers from ‘those in authority’ is because they are pitifully small and would undermine your claims that you represent drivers. If your numbers were massive, or even respectable, you would be shouting it from the rooftops because it would legitimise your claim to be representative of drivers.
Do you really think that we are idiots, or that those authority figures are, and can’t see straight through your ‘good reason’?

Not interested in the rest because until you can get it right on those 2 basic issues you will never succeed with the rest.
You may get a few members who are mates or dont know any better, but you will never unite a workforce with smoke and mirrors.

The PDU is not for you then, goodbye

Ermmm, sorry Barry - that’s not the way it works in here. YOU don’t get to decide who is allowed to post on threads.
Thank you for you lengthy response, covered quite a few of my concerns. Not all of them, but I’m giving up on getting meaningful answers to the rest of the questions on here. Still gonna pop in to see if any more information is forthcoming, but can’t see me joining an organisation with you at the head of it.
Bon chance…

Post away, I said good bye to answering any more of your continous questions on Financies, and attempts to ridicule, if you do not like the answer then do not join simple. (last reply to you)

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volvo2:

Barrie Tozer:

volvo2:

robroy:
Sorry if I’m wayyyy behind everybody else on this :blush: but is Barrie still involved in his T.world forum or is this PDU an alternative set up to it.
If he is still active on TW, how successful, or not, was his recruitment to PDU on there.
If this is a bloody silly question, as there may be common knowledge I aint aware of, apologies. :blush:

The first venture into this PDU on TW had little support from the members and Mr Tozer made an announcement on that forum that he was giving up all campaigning. He could not get the support but I guess he will have deleted that post now

Have you replied to Rikki or got the correct facts from your friend that spoke to his sister yesterday. (all nicely put alledgedly)

A PROVEN liar on this forum and best ignored

I have indeed and he won’t be checking out tih your employer I apologise for that but I stand by my own view that because you have refuseds to answer questions and ignored others for wjstever reason mkes everyone suspicious Yo have to admit that yourself I am going to hand over money to a stranger I want to know about him and I want to know how exactly he will use my money be it a fiver or a monkey I want to know as does most people.
Many questions were answered with thesame answer cgeck the site. YOu knew you were coming in to answer hard questions yet you apperared not to have made any preparation for this. That is not the way to go. You were even unsure how much money was left fromthe fivers about whatever was the answer. That is not good accounting and you should have had that on the tip of your tongue bot I will have to check that. But then as you are a busy tramper with little time to do much during the week you may have let it slip but that is not good enough for a so called professional. You should take the criticism some has been constructive but jifyou cannot take that on a forum I dread to think how you would take it from the authorities Would you reply in the same manner you replied here.
One thing that ran through this whole thread was your disdain for so many drivers here those you are supposedly trying to help because they asked awkward questions.

calling me a LIAR was a bad mistake Mr Tozer I have my doubts about you and your ability just from your behaviour herebut I never called you a LIAR You are too secretive with this whole thing it should be open to scrutiny for any potential members

As for my mate no sister involved but my mate was at your social gathering once was a member of TW you may know him he certainly knows you.

apology accepted, but posting false information in an attempt to put others off is below the belt, then you post stuff from 2014 again in an attempt to put others off
Sorry my last reply to you as I cannot trust the content you post.

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robroy:
Ok, here’s a legit set of questions on a subject relavent to trampers.

What can your organisation do to sort out the appalling overnight parking problems.

Do you seriously believe you or anybody else can influence or persuade town councils to provide designated truck parks in, or adjacent to town facilities, as in the old days.

Not a chance,any land that becomes free near a town centre is swallowed up by either housing or retail development,land it at a premium around town centres,a very expensive premium.

Do you believe you can persuade MSA management to charge reasonable realistic park charges in favour of the extortionate ■■■■ take present charges.
Trying to persuade/convince a private companies to charge less for something is virtually impossible,coupled with the fact they will tell you it cost X amount per yer to clean up after some drivers per year
Do you believe you will be able to stop the growing trend of ind ests prohibiting overnight parking.
trouble is with no restrictions people take the ■■■■ and it becomes a lorry park for foreigners on their weekly rest.
If you can assure me that you are confident of getting results through time, my fiver will be on it’s way.

Not trying to catch you out Barrie, but these set of questions illlustrate how much of an uphill, bordering on impossible, task you will have if this thing gets off the ground.

Btw. I agree entirely with what Maoster has just said.

In theory if Barrie’s could do everything above it would be great for everyone,in reality it will never happen even if the PDU had 100k members,that’s just my opinion.

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xichrisxi:

robroy:
Ok, here’s a legit set of questions on a subject relavent to trampers.

What can your organisation do to sort out the appalling overnight parking problems.

Do you seriously believe you or anybody else can influence or persuade town councils to provide designated truck parks in, or adjacent to town facilities, as in the old days.

Not a chance,any land that becomes free near a town centre is swallowed up by either housing or retail development,land it at a premium around town centres,a very expensive premium.

All Towns have a large car park or “Park & Ride” that could easily become a lorry park at night, it would get residents backing to get lorries in one place, police backing for easier management. The cost is extremely small and I have presented how to do it, So it could be possible

Do you believe you can persuade MSA management to charge reasonable realistic park charges in favour of the extortionate ■■■■ take present charges.
Trying to persuade/convince a private companies to charge less for something is virtually impossible,coupled with the fact they will tell you it cost X amount per yer to clean up after some drivers per year

Which is why they need their Rates reduced by being seen as providing a service, the rate reduction could then be passed on to parking charges as an agreement in the rate reduction

Do you believe you will be able to stop the growing trend of ind ests prohibiting overnight parking.
trouble is with no restrictions people take the ■■■■ and it becomes a lorry park for foreigners on their weekly rest.
If you can assure me that you are confident of getting results through time, my fiver will be on it’s way.

Not trying to catch you out Barrie, but these set of questions illlustrate how much of an uphill, bordering on impossible, task you will have if this thing gets off the ground.

Btw. I agree entirely with what Maoster has just said.

In theory if Barrie’s could do everything above it would be great for everyone,in reality it will never happen even if the PDU had 100k members,that’s just my opinion.

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Barrie Tozer:

xichrisxi:

robroy:
Ok, here’s a legit set of questions on a subject relavent to trampers.

What can your organisation do to sort out the appalling overnight parking problems.

Do you seriously believe you or anybody else can influence or persuade town councils to provide designated truck parks in, or adjacent to town facilities, as in the old days.

Not a chance,any land that becomes free near a town centre is swallowed up by either housing or retail development,land it at a premium around town centres,a very expensive premium.

All Towns have a large car park or “Park & Ride” that could easily become a lorry park at night, it would get residents backing to get lorries in one place, police backing for easier management. The cost is extremely small and I have presented how to do it, So it could be possible

Do you believe you can persuade MSA management to charge reasonable realistic park charges in favour of the extortionate ■■■■ take present charges.
Trying to persuade/convince a private companies to charge less for something is virtually impossible,coupled with the fact they will tell you it cost X amount per yer to clean up after some drivers per year

Which is why they need their Rates reduced by being seen as providing a service, the rate reduction could then be passed on to parking charges as an agreement in the rate reduction

Do you believe you will be able to stop the growing trend of ind ests prohibiting overnight parking.
trouble is with no restrictions people take the ■■■■ and it becomes a lorry park for foreigners on their weekly rest.
If you can assure me that you are confident of getting results through time, my fiver will be on it’s way.

Not trying to catch you out Barrie, but these set of questions illlustrate how much of an uphill, bordering on impossible, task you will have if this thing gets off the ground.

Btw. I agree entirely with what Maoster has just said.

In theory if Barrie’s could do everything above it would be great for everyone,in reality it will never happen even if the PDU had 100k members,that’s just my opinion.

my reply in red.
To say no Chance, or it will never happen or to just accept everything is why conditions keep declining.

As Drivers we need to present how things can be improved not just for our benefit,but also residents, the police, and use “road Safety” to convince and negotiate. Make those in Authority see the issues and what needs to be done can bring results, but unless someone actually goes in to the door and talks to them then nothing will improve

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xichrisxi:

robroy:
Ok, here’s a legit set of questions on a subject relavent to trampers.

What can your organisation do to sort out the appalling overnight parking problems.

Do you seriously believe you or anybody else can influence or persuade town councils to provide designated truck parks in, or adjacent to town facilities, as in the old days.

Not a chance,any land that becomes free near a town centre is swallowed up by either housing or retail development,land it at a premium around town centres,a very expensive premium.

Do you believe you can persuade MSA management to charge reasonable realistic park charges in favour of the extortionate ■■■■ take present charges.
Trying to persuade/convince a private companies to charge less for something is virtually impossible,coupled with the fact they will tell you it cost X amount per yer to clean up after some drivers per year
Do you believe you will be able to stop the growing trend of ind ests prohibiting overnight parking.
trouble is with no restrictions people take the ■■■■ and it becomes a lorry park for foreigners on their weekly rest.
If you can assure me that you are confident of getting results through time, my fiver will be on it’s way.

Not trying to catch you out Barrie, but these set of questions illlustrate how much of an uphill, bordering on impossible, task you will have if this thing gets off the ground.

Btw. I agree entirely with what Maoster has just said.

In theory if Barrie’s could do everything above it would be great for everyone,in reality it will never happen even if the PDU had 100k members,that’s just my opinion.

That’s a fair point Chris, but IF he IS genuine (which most on this thread are trying to ascertain) is it fair to knock him for making an effort.
I can not really see or know of any alternative guy or body wanting to do the same or similar.
As I keep saying I do believe that the stick, abuse, and accusations aimed at him, are a bit ott considering his motives and aims, again…assuming him and they are genuine…

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robroy:

xichrisxi:

robroy:
Ok, here’s a legit set of questions on a subject relavent to trampers.

What can your organisation do to sort out the appalling overnight parking problems.

Do you seriously believe you or anybody else can influence or persuade town councils to provide designated truck parks in, or adjacent to town facilities, as in the old days.

Not a chance,any land that becomes free near a town centre is swallowed up by either housing or retail development,land it at a premium around town centres,a very expensive premium.

Do you believe you can persuade MSA management to charge reasonable realistic park charges in favour of the extortionate ■■■■ take present charges.
Trying to persuade/convince a private companies to charge less for something is virtually impossible,coupled with the fact they will tell you it cost X amount per yer to clean up after some drivers per year
Do you believe you will be able to stop the growing trend of ind ests prohibiting overnight parking.
trouble is with no restrictions people take the ■■■■ and it becomes a lorry park for foreigners on their weekly rest.
If you can assure me that you are confident of getting results through time, my fiver will be on it’s way.

Sorry just edited my post above

Not trying to catch you out Barrie, but these set of questions illlustrate how much of an uphill, bordering on impossible, task you will have if this thing gets off the ground.

Btw. I agree entirely with what Maoster has just said.

In theory if Barrie’s could do everything above it would be great for everyone,in reality it will never happen even if the PDU had 100k members,that’s just my opinion.

That’s a fair point Chris, but IF he IS genuine (which most on this thread are trying to ascertain) is it fair to knock him for making an effort.
I can not really see or know of any alternative guy or body wanting to do the same or similar.
As I keep saying I do believe that the stick, abuse, and accusations aimed at him, are a bit ott considering his motives and aims, again…assuming him and they are genuine…

Sorry, but just edited my post above

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To say no Chance, or it will never happen or to just accept everything is why conditions keep declining.

As Drivers we need to present how things can be improved not just for our benefit,but also residents, the police, and use “Road Safety” to convince and negotiate. Make those in Authority see the issues and what needs to be done can bring results, but unless someone actually goes in to the door and talks to them then nothing will improve.

With unity and working together, the many issues can be talked about first, many of you have the intelligence to put forward new proposals, better ways things could be improved, more issues that you need to address.

Professional presentation of the proposals with good sound solutions to resolve the matters can persuade.

What you need is to bring it altogether and maybe the PDU is the place to start the process

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Barrie Tozer:
The PDU is not for you then, goodbye

I think thats answered my question of why you have had no organic growth from your own forums/club/previous drivers comittees etc. And in fact they’ve drifted away from you.
Thanks.

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Barrie Tozer:

xichrisxi:

robroy:
Ok, here’s a legit set of questions on a subject relavent to trampers.

What can your organisation do to sort out the appalling overnight parking problems.

Do you seriously believe you or anybody else can influence or persuade town councils to provide designated truck parks in, or adjacent to town facilities, as in the old days.

Not a chance,any land that becomes free near a town centre is swallowed up by either housing or retail development,land it at a premium around town centres,a very expensive premium.

All Towns have a large car park or “Park & Ride” that could easily become a lorry park at night, it would get residents backing to get lorries in one place, police backing for easier management. The cost is extremely small and I have presented how to do it, So it could be possible

I take it live seen the foreign wagons that have been blocked in and literally trapped on Worcesters town centre car park due to cars parking there for work early morning before the hgvs have finished there daily rest and moved on?

Do you believe you can persuade MSA management to charge reasonable realistic park charges in favour of the extortionate ■■■■ take present charges.
Trying to persuade/convince a private companies to charge less for something is virtually impossible,coupled with the fact they will tell you it cost X amount per yer to clean up after some drivers per year

Which is why they need their Rates reduced by being seen as providing a service, the rate reduction could then be passed on to parking charges as an agreement in the rate reduction
with the amount of spaces in MSAs for hgvs nowadays it would hardly make a difference if the rates were reduced.

Do you believe you will be able to stop the growing trend of ind ests prohibiting overnight parking.
trouble is with no restrictions people take the ■■■■ and it becomes a lorry park for foreigners on their weekly rest.
If you can assure me that you are confident of getting results through time, my fiver will be on it’s way.

Not trying to catch you out Barrie, but these set of questions illlustrate how much of an uphill, bordering on impossible, task you will have if this thing gets off the ground.

Btw. I agree entirely with what Maoster has just said.

In theory if Barrie’s could do everything above it would be great for everyone,in reality it will never happen even if the PDU had 100k members,that’s just my opinion.

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Mike-C:

Barrie Tozer:
The PDU is not for you then, goodbye

I think thats answered my question of why you have had no organic growth from your own forums/club/previous drivers comittees etc. And in fact they’ve drifted away from you.
Thanks.

I prefer to say good by to some that have no interest.

In all walks there are those that are good and bad, those that are truly wanting something or just like to stop others getting it.

As per usual you “presume” and then post insult.
So maybe i is also good by to you

To lose 10 and gain 3 good is far more important to the aims of the PDU

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Barrie Tozer:
To say no Chance, or it will never happen or to just accept everything is why conditions keep declining.

As Drivers we need to present how things can be improved not just for our benefit,but also residents, the police, and use “Road Safety” to convince and negotiate. Make those in Authority see the issues and what needs to be done can bring results, but unless someone actually goes in to the door and talks to them then nothing will improve.

With unity and working together, the many issues can be talked about first, many of you have the intelligence to put forward new proposals, better ways things could be improved, more issues that you need to address.

Professional presentation of the proposals with good sound solutions to resolve the matters can persuade.

What you need is to bring it altogether and maybe the PDU is the place to start the process

You see, i am unbiased and fair. This is really a promotion post, and not an answer to anyones question. You see, you’re getting a good bit of leeway here.

Its YOU that has been under scrutiny and the way you operate. Thats why you wanted to come here to answer it, call it a job interview if you like. “goodbye”, “i’m ignoring you”, “false accusations, serious consequences”, “a small minority” , all very familiar. And before anyone feels sorry for you, its you that asked to come here. Seems like you where not quite ready for it.

When i previously locked a post about your organisation i added…its not fair for us to comment on him, go and speak to him yourself. Looks like not many came to speak to you to ask you questions eh ?

You asked and you got, ■■■■ it up buttercup.

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xichrisxi:

Barrie Tozer:

xichrisxi:

robroy:
Do you believe you can persuade MSA management to charge reasonable realistic park charges in favour of the extortionate ■■■■ take present charges.

Trying to persuade/convince a private companies to charge less for something is virtually impossible,coupled with the fact they will tell you it cost X amount per yer to clean up after some drivers per year

Which is why they need their Rates reduced by being seen as providing a service, the rate reduction could then be passed on to parking charges as an agreement in the rate reduction

with the amount of spaces in MSAs for hgvs nowadays it would hardly make a difference if the rates were reduced.

Having had meetings with the MSA Directors the Rate on the land is the main reason for high charges on parking
Reduce their rates and by doing so agree the reduction is passed on then prices could fall.

Not the exact figures and unconfirmed but as example the Rates at Alconbury Lorry Park are over £150,000 a year, which is why they need to charge £20 just to park
Reduce the rates is the answer for private and MSA lorry parking charges

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Mike-C:

Barrie Tozer:
To say no Chance, or it will never happen or to just accept everything is why conditions keep declining.

As Drivers we need to present how things can be improved not just for our benefit,but also residents, the police, and use “Road Safety” to convince and negotiate. Make those in Authority see the issues and what needs to be done can bring results, but unless someone actually goes in to the door and talks to them then nothing will improve.

With unity and working together, the many issues can be talked about first, many of you have the intelligence to put forward new proposals, better ways things could be improved, more issues that you need to address.

Professional presentation of the proposals with good sound solutions to resolve the matters can persuade.

What you need is to bring it altogether and maybe the PDU is the place to start the process

You see, i am unbiased and fair. This is really a promotion post, and not an answer to anyones question. You see, you’re getting a good bit of leeway here.

Its YOU that has been under scrutiny and the way you operate. Thats why you wanted to come here to answer it, call it a job interview if you like. “goodbye”, “i’m ignoring you”, “false accusations, serious consequences”, “a small minority” , all very familiar. And before anyone feels sorry for you, its you that asked to come here. Seems like you where not quite ready for it.

When i previously locked a post about your organisation i added…its not fair for us to comment on him, go and speak to him yourself. Looks like not many came to speak to you to ask you questions eh ?

You asked and you got, ■■■■ it up buttercup.

Topic Q&A
Yet not one of your post has been to ask a question
Each post by you has just been to ridicule or take of topic, just like closing the last topic with a personnel insult

Not really becoming of a Moderator

I will try better to only answer questions to stay in the guidelines, might I ask you to post questions and not post insult or ridicule

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Barrie Tozer:
I will try better to only answer questions to stay in the guidelines, might I ask you to post questions and not post insult or ridicule

Certainley, why have you had no organic growth from within your own forum/club ?

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Mike-C:

Barrie Tozer:
I will try better to only answer questions to stay in the guidelines, might I ask you to post questions and not post insult or ridicule

Certainley, why have you had no organic growth from within your own forum/club ?

Closed down so cannot have growth
Although it was highly successful

While the PDU will not close down and also be very successful

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Barrie Tozer:

Mike-C:

Barrie Tozer:
I will try better to only answer questions to stay in the guidelines, might I ask you to post questions and not post insult or ridicule

Certainley, why have you had no organic growth from within your own forum/club ?

Closed down so cannot have growth
Although it was highly successful

While the PDU will not close down and also be very successful

The forum has closed down? Funny, I logged on last night and there were posts up until a couple of days ago. Or do you mean the club?