dieseldave:
tonka236:
I’m an old git who likes a like button what can I sayHere you go tonka…
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Don’t ask me to wire it up though, cos I haven’t a clue.
Cheers Dave. All is right with the world once again
A long time ago, back on page 12, I asked this question
TheBear:
OK, a serious question …
Do you intend taking this up full time, Mr Tozer? Or just when you are home from your tramping job?
and you answered this
Barrie Tozer:
Non-Profit, no income, no wageI have been working on this for over a year, attended one meeting and not taken a penny from any “old” subscription.
This is a prime example of you failing to answer questions which you don’t like!! All it needed was a “Yes, I’ll be full time” or “No, I’ll be doing it in my spare time”
I have twisted nothing here … quotes as seen. I asked a genuine question and you, typical of a politician, gave an evasive answer. I think the ‘electorate’ have a right to know what intentions you have regarding your future employment.
Are you really telling us that Georgie Kime is going to let you have all this time off to attend meetings when it suits you? You’re supposed to be a tramper? So you’ll go in on a Monday morning and say “Sorry, Mr Kime, I won’t be doing that run this week as I have a meeting on Wednesday so you’ll have to keep me local” I suggest you’ll have your P45 within an hour. Does Mr Kime even know you are leading this crusade?? Have you made conditions better for your fellow drivers in Boston?
Just a few more questions to which I doubt I’ll get answers.
Barrie Tozer:
Other than the PDF of which we offered to support, please inform all reading on here what the PDA has actually achieved for lorry drivers?
The PDF has done far more than you ever will. The PDA regularly represents us in the press.
Or is as with other unions talk but no action.
You may want to look in the mirror.
Barrie Tozer:
Agreed please inform connor not to bring the pda into the debate
You did that when choosing the website and acronym of your organisation to be almost the same barring one letter. You even used a hyphen.
And why shouldn’t they be brought into the debate given they’ve been doing for years what you’re claiming you’re going to do although the billy bluster act you constantly give suggests otherwise.
Barrie Tozer:
False accusations posted on an open forum can have serious consequencies for the poster or the owner of said forum.
snapshot taken
Dear Mr. Tozer.
First of all your website has placed FOUR COOKIES on my computer from pdu.freefo.org and it has done this without first of all warning me that the website uses cookies nor asking whether I agree to this WHICH IS IN BREACH OF UK INTERNET LAWS
“You must tell people if you set cookies, and clearly explain what the cookies do and why. You must also get the user’s consent. Consent can be implied, but must be knowingly given.”
Also on that page it mentions about privacy notices which are a requirement under the Data Protection Act and I notice that your website also does not have one of those clearly linked from the front page.
Strange how we have to prise info from you or seek it out. Your website would fall foul of data laws.
Can you provide a cast iron guarantee that all personal data is protected as required under law?
Do you understand what is required within that law?
No one said there would be cookies.
Those dreaded cookies, a right pita when this law came in. I had a retail site at the time and having the page changes cost a fair wedge.
Not to gemmed up these days on it all but my retail site had to have the full monty, clickable box job which put loads of customers off till I disabled it and acted daft.
Whether due to the type of cookies forums and brochure sites can get away with just a privacy policy page I don’t know but if your processing payments/selling goods,services then more restrictions are in place, PayPal will cover a lot of it though on their secure server (HTTPS thingy) for payments.
In reality though the phrase secure server is an oxymoron in itself, nothing is unhackable so the cool kids tell me.
Would be worth having a word with your webguy/girl or host Barrie to make sure all your t’s are dotted and I’s crossed.
Sorry if I’m wayyyy behind everybody else on this 
but is Barrie still involved in his T.world forum or is this PDU an alternative set up to it.
If he is still active on TW, how successful, or not, was his recruitment to PDU on there.
If this is a bloody silly question, as there may be common knowledge I aint aware of, apologies.
No such thing as a silly question Rob, I too would be interested in how well this PDU thing was received on Barrie’s own forum.
Where similar concerns raised or early teething problems that have now been addressed. Was the membership on the whole more receptive.
TW as a company was dissolved a few years ago.
This is a long Read but if you are truly interested in knowing about the PDU and been asking question or just watching then please read before more questions are put forward.
Well Sat & Sun were an interesting 2 days and I have never typed so much in my life.
Having been bed re-cooped and now been back over the pages to digest what has happened.
Those 2 days were a bit like sitting round a board table with 20 people asking a question all at once instead of one standing up asking a question and ten giving time to answer it with merit. I felt like standing up and shouting “shut up and talk one at a time”
An open forum cannot allow for that, so I “tried” to answer quickly briefly, very briefly and to some what may have seen as elusive. That was not very good in hindsight.
Although some questions were answered briefly they were answered but some did not get the answer they wanted and so went on a rant and rave to try and get the answer they wanted. A bit like asking for a Mortgage being told no and then shouting at the supervisor for the wrong answer.
As said I have gone back and tried to digest the principle questions most are asking and will now attempt to answer a bit clearer. Split into paragraphs so you can look for your answer.
FINANCIES
This seems to be so important to some and I suspect in some circumstances, so they can look at digging up some dirt to show the PDU in a bad light.
I do not remember when I joined union years ago or my local bowls club sitting down and demanding accounts and finances before joining. Do you all when joining other activities “Demand” to see all the books and accounts? Or do you join because it is of interest to you.
However it is your money so you need to be careful however much and at £5.00 or over 3 year’s 3.2p a week it is a lot.
Firstly all monies are going into a separate bank account for the PDU-UK and will be accountable and if possible at an AGM accounts will be available. Who those accounts are handled by is none of your business and you will have to take my word for it.
Some on here trying to dish the dirt are quick to say it is a scam, lining his own pockets, a retirement plan. “I WISH” I will always be out of pocket using my own money.
I stumped up the initial cost to purchase the Membership packages, as the £5.00 comes in it will go into the bank to purchase the next batch and so I will never get my money back.
£5.00 Income from Membership, then nearly £5.00 sent out to the Member as a Welcome Package, a small amount over might help towards the monthly cost of the website, Forum and form and database handling fees
If the cost of the Merchandise goes up next year then I might be out of pocket for each new member as the £5.00 will not increase.
So yes, I am making a fortune in trying to do something to help Drivers in the UK.
THE MEMBERSHIP
Some asked how many members and received the reply I will not say due to good reason.
Not the answer some wanted so off they went on their rant and rave because it was not the answer they wanted.
Whether the PDU has got one member or 10,000 you will join because what it offers to do is what you want and the actual membership in place makes no difference.
Those asking this question possibly hoped I would answer a low number so they again had an opportunity to put ridicule in place, "Ha.ha, no support it cannot be very good then”
This Forum and others like it do not have members that are only Drivers, many in places of Authority join to read and watch what drivers are up to. I can assure of this as in my forum I have a Government Minister and an ex- RHA Director as members plus others.
So firstly always be careful what you post, secondly I do not want those in higher Authority to know the numbers presently in the PDU-UK. Hence my answer “FOR GOOD REASON”
If you consider the PDU could help then you will join whether it is 10 or 10,000
PLANNING
I put the foundations of the PDU-UK in place.
Over the years talking to many drivers, doing surveys and gathering information recognized there is a need for unity and then to try and tackle the many issues Drivers have within the Industry and a higher level of Government.
The primary issues are published, with possible solutions and means to resolve them.
The first target is to try and bring Drivers together in unity to build the house on the foundations.
The second target for the PDU is to introduce these issues to those in a position of Authority to negotiate the improvements required by Drivers and to benefit everyone and open a door for further talks on resolving the matter at hand.
The Third Target is to ensure the PDU collects as much information as possible from drivers to ensure when addressing the issues it is truly to their requirement. It will then be possible to make a proper presentation for further talks to commence.
Once a professional presentation is available and ready. The PDU then needs to form a lobby of 5-7 Drivers to take these talks further with those in Authority. Each meeting might involve a different lobby of Drivers. It is no good taking five drivers that only do days for talks on overnight parking, or drivers who are under 45 for talks on medicals cost. Each meeting will need its own organising.
There can be no time scale; nothing can happen overnight or quickly, no miracles are in place. To tackle issues will take time so when appropriate benefits can truly be achieved.
The Foundations are in place, but the house will need many professionals, a lot of experience, some alterations, and time to build the brickwork and then together put the roof on to the satisfaction of all involved.
One man cannot build a house; it needs a team, a unity working together on the same project.
MEMBERSHIP COST
Many are asking why was it not FREE or why does it need to cost £5.00
Many of you on here are also members of FB Groups, some with a very large number of drivers so why do one of these groups not arrange meetings and talk to Authority to get improvements.
Mainly because to talk to those at a higher level seriously then you need recognition in doing so.
The PDU-UK could become that name with recognition and so it also wants the membership to be seen as part of it with recognition by ID Card.
It is simply the way the PDU wants to go, some like it some may not but that is the decision of the PDU
£5.00 to join and receive the recognition as part of it.
On becoming a Member with recognition and ID Card can then also bring about its own reward which is why the PDU also decided on this rather than being Free. Already discounts are in place and more to come over time and so all should get their money back and more. Gloves, Sat navs, boots clothing are all available now and just one purchase and you money is back in your pocket.
If and when if possible, there may be an AGM so we can meet up and discuss what the PDU is doing right or wrong. The ID Card will give admission to these and if free there would be no way of knowing.
The PDU-UK is not a scam, it is something new to try and bring drivers together to build a very big house or in fact one that has been falling down for 20 years and needs strengthening back up.
Authorities keep kicking out bricks and making it more difficult to repair and as Drivers you need to stop them continually kicking it, fight back and re build so we can have a safe place and a strong foundation for future generations.
I will as time allows continue to answer questions, This has answered some and if it is not the answer you wanted, then it is not for you.
As from now I will ignore certain members of this forum, false accusation, a friend told me this, ridicule without an ounce of interest, like it or not the PDU will not shut down.
Thank you and I hope some will be respectful so this topic can continue and inform those that are actually interested and I can answer their questions.
T.world is dead in the water it has only two posters nowadays.its a bit like the blue parrot sketch out of Monty python
robroy:
Sorry if I’m wayyyy behind everybody else on this
If he is still active on TW, how successful, or not, was his recruitment to PDU on there.
If this is a bloody silly question, as there may be common knowledge I aint aware of, apologies.
The first venture into this PDU on TW had little support from the members and Mr Tozer made an announcement on that forum that he was giving up all campaigning. He could not get the support
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It is a sad day for me, ;cry; but things change and so I must announce 
I am retiring from the campaigning side of Truckersworld. (to the ;clap; of some)
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Sorry to see you are stepping down from campaigning but it was always a futile effort. No one on top of the pile will do anything unless there is something in it for them. That’s how they got to the top of the pile. You only have to look at the allowances scandal to see that. They cannot see beyond …ow
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Very sad to see the campaigning to have to stop. ;cry; You will never … I worked, but it like p*****g into the wind! In the end I gave up and said to them, “you get what you deserve”. And I say it here too. To those of you who dont think anything can be done, YOU are why …
a few replies to that announcement
volvo2:
robroy:
Sorry if I’m wayyyy behind everybody else on this
If he is still active on TW, how successful, or not, was his recruitment to PDU on there.
If this is a bloody silly question, as there may be common knowledge I aint aware of, apologies.The first venture into this PDU on TW had little support from the members and Mr Tozer made an announcement on that forum that he was giving up all campaigning. He could not get the support but I guess he will have deleted that post now
Have you replied to Rikki or got the correct facts from your friend that spoke to his sister yesterday. (all nicely put alledgedly)
A PROVEN liar on this forum and best ignored
Barrie,
Finances…unions publish their accounts, so available to anyone who wishes to see them before they join. They are also regulated by the Certification Officer so lots of information available in the public domain regarding their conduct, structure etc
That’s why people don’t need to ‘demand’ accounts, it’s already available.
If you’re expecting people to part with money, of course it’s their business who accounts for it and how it is handled. Don’t be so naive.
Members…the only reason you could want to hide your membership numbers from ‘those in authority’ is because they are pitifully small and would undermine your claims that you represent drivers. If your numbers were massive, or even respectable, you would be shouting it from the rooftops because it would legitimise your claim to be representative of drivers.
Do you really think that we are idiots, or that those authority figures are, and can’t see straight through your ‘good reason’?
Not interested in the rest because until you can get it right on those 2 basic issues you will never succeed with the rest.
You may get a few members who are mates or dont know any better, but you will never unite a workforce with smoke and mirrors.
DonutUK:
Barrie,Finances…unions publish their accounts, so available to anyone who wishes to see them before they join. They are also regulated by the Certification Officer so lots of information available in the public domain regarding their conduct, structure etc
That’s why people don’t need to ‘demand’ accounts, it’s already available.
If you’re expecting people to part with money, of course it’s their business who accounts for it and how it is handled. Don’t be so naive.Members…the only reason you could want to hide your membership numbers from ‘those in authority’ is because they are pitifully small and would undermine your claims that you represent drivers. If your numbers were massive, or even respectable, you would be shouting it from the rooftops because it would legitimise your claim to be representative of drivers.
Do you really think that we are idiots, or that those authority figures are, and can’t see straight through your ‘good reason’?Not interested in the rest because until you can get it right on those 2 basic issues you will never succeed with the rest.
You may get a few members who are mates or dont know any better, but you will never unite a workforce with smoke and mirrors.
The PDU is not for you then, goodbye
My feelings on this whole matter so far are thus; if Mr Tozer is using this as a “get rich quick” scheme then he is an idiot who would probably get more results sending out speculative e mails under the guise of a Nigerian Prince! So for that reason alone I believe he is just a normal fella who’s trying to better his and his fellow workers lots. Should he be vilified for that? I for one don’t think so.
Has he made mistakes? God yes, but that kind of endears him to me far more than some smooth “snake oil” type of salesman who has all the correct answers and sound bites that mean ■■■■ all in the real world. Tony Blair anyone?
Perhaps I feel the need to defend Mr Tozer in the same way that I’d jump in to defend anyone who was receiving a kicking from a large number of people? I’ve always been one to defend the underdog, perhaps that is a character flaw that I have. If so I’m quite happy with it.
As drivers we like nothing better than to ■■■■■ and moan about our jobs, perhaps other industries are in the same boat, but as I have known little else apart from haulage I can’t comment. What I’m perceiving from Mr Tozer here though is a genuine desire to improve things for us as a collective in all aspects of our working life.
Let’s get back to the thing that a lot of posters here seem hung up on shall we? That is money! As I said earlier as a means of getting rich then Mr Tozers plan is rubbish, and to be perfectly honest even if as a side effect of improving my working life someone did make themselves rich would I care? Not at all is my answer.
Will I pay £5 to this? Probably not, but then I’m indicative of the uphill battle that Mr Tozer faces; namely apathy, individualism and a desire to sort my own problems out.
Whichever way it goes Barrie I wish you luck, somebody needs to save us from ourselves! 
Ok, here’s a legit set of questions on a subject relavent to trampers.
What can your organisation do to sort out the appalling overnight parking problems.
Do you seriously believe you or anybody else can influence or persuade town councils to provide designated truck parks in, or adjacent to town facilities, as in the old days.
Do you believe you can persuade MSA management to charge reasonable realistic park charges in favour of the extortionate ■■■■ take present charges.
Do you believe you will be able to stop the growing trend of ind ests prohibiting overnight parking.
If you can assure me that you are confident of getting results through time, my fiver will be on it’s way.
Not trying to catch you out Barrie, but these set of questions illlustrate how much of an uphill, bordering on impossible, task you will have if this thing gets off the ground.
Btw. I agree entirely with what Maoster has just said.
A good post Barrie (the long one, up the page a bit. Boy this thread moves quick, suspiciously quick. Are some of you itching to have a dig or what )
I do like the house analogy Barrie, it’s quality not quantity that matters, don’t get to sucked in or that will lead to frustration.
the maoster:
My feelings on this whole matter so far are thus; if Mr Tozer is using this as a “get rich quick” scheme then he is an idiot who would probably get more results sending out speculative e mails under the guise of a Nigerian Prince! So for that reason alone I believe he is just a normal fella who’s trying to better his and his fellow workers lots. Should he be vilified for that? I for one don’t think so.Has he made mistakes? God yes, but that kind of endears him to me far more than some smooth “snake oil” type of salesman who has all the correct answers and sound bites that mean [zb] all in the real world. Tony Blair anyone?
Perhaps I feel the need to defend Mr Tozer in the same way that I’d jump in to defend anyone who was receiving a kicking from a large number of people? I’ve always been one to defend the underdog, perhaps that is a character flaw that I have. If so I’m quite happy with it.
As drivers we like nothing better than to ■■■■■ and moan about our jobs, perhaps other industries are in the same boat, but as I have known little else apart from haulage I can’t comment. What I’m perceiving from Mr Tozer here though is a genuine desire to improve things for us as a collective in all aspects of our working life.
Let’s get back to the thing that a lot of posters here seem hung up on shall we? That is money! As I said earlier as a means of getting rich then Mr Tozers plan is rubbish, and to be perfectly honest even if as a side effect of improving my working life someone did make themselves rich would I care? Not at all is my answer.
Will I pay £5 to this? Probably not, but then I’m indicative of the uphill battle that Mr Tozer faces; namely apathy, individualism and a desire to sort my own problems out.
Whichever way it goes Barrie I wish you luck, somebody needs to save us from ourselves!
thank you, We can but try,
Some will never give in to the hope of it shutting down for their own satisfaction and is why they continue to post and yet no interest to ridicule or to take of topic hoping Rikki will close it