volvo2:
£5.00 in = £5.00 out
So what am I supposed to do with no money as income.Give up that is what you do
To your delight no doubt
Whether it could help drivers matters not as long as you are satified
me,me,me is the problem in this job
To your dismay
The PDU will not shut down, and maybe the few can benefit even you with much needed improvements
He started this thread as a question & ANSWER session. Just been awfully light on the answers side…
Well my Dear Mr Tozer I for one am completely underwhelmed by your answers to various questions put to you. What worries me most is your complete lack of direction and vague answers. You seem to have no idea about numbers of members of your union. You just say not enough etc…
You seem to have no idea about the legal implications to setting up this idea and your handling of the questions about the finances is woeful. I have looked at your Facebook and Internet pages and I am overwhelmed by the distinct amateurish attempts and execution in the presentation of the PDU-UK. I for one will NOT be sending you any money to join your scheme. You will by the look of your previous answers dismiss me as someone who doesn’t understand or doesn’t care about the future of the industry. But I do and to be honest to have someone such as yourself appointing themselves as the leader/spokesman/figurehead of this would fill me with embarrassment and shame to have such an inept person up front. Your attempts make you look more like the leader of the People’s Front of Judea than the leader of a serious organisation.
Sorry but your not getting my support.
robroy:
I’m still struggling why there is so much mega hostility towards this guy. His aim is to try and improve things not start a [zb] ■■■■■■■■■■ ring.
It’s the same as a radio or tv programme, if you aint interested switch it off, same on here, some of you have already made a decision, you either don’t like his ideas or you don’t trust him, so you are NEVER going to be satisfied with his answers if we sit here all night thrashing it out,… whatever he says.I admit some of his answers are a bit unfulfilling to say the least, but why keep on banging away, just don’t bother posting, there have been threads on here in the past that I have got ■■■■■■ with, and bored, so I just knock it, and move on.
The negativity has been noted and rammed home, so why keep repeating it, what is it going to achieve?
I aint saying I support him 100%, because I don’t, but ffs give the guy a break.
Some will only be satisfied when the the PDU is shut down which is their aim
sorry to say it will not and hopefully it might achieve some of the improvements needed
Barrie Tozer:
volvo2:
£5.00 in = £5.00 out
So what am I supposed to do with no money as income.Give up that is what you do
To your delight no doubt
Whether it could help drivers matters not as long as you are satified
me,me,me is the problem in this jobTo your dismay
The PDU will not shut down, and maybe the few can benefit even you with much needed improvements
By your own admittance thou Barrie, the great success so far over 14 odd years, is the fact that you wrote a letter to enable someone to get their money. You have to admit that as far as improvements go, that is very low?
Especially when you then go on to say that you wont be involved in work based issues 
tonka236:
Barrie Tozer:
…Some are even going to lengths at bringing up old and long ago past events in their attempt to undermine
“MikeC” linking to the club that has no relevance that was a success, but he thought it might help make me look bad and no other reason than that…Taken from YOUR website:
Aims & AmbitionsThis “The Professional Truckers Club” has ambitious aims to achieve a unity and comradeship between Truckers in the UK while at the same time offering far more back to the members by means of benefits.
There is widespread belief that Truckers will never unite and remain divided.
We must change this belief of our professionals by offering something worthwhile joining. By offering benefits members will join the club, this in turn will allow for meeting places and an annual event to bring truckers together building on friendship and unity.
So if it was such a success then you have made your aims. Why the change now to the PDU-UK? Why the difference in £30 per year to £25 eventually down to £5?
Where are the accounts of the Truckers-club?
Why isnt it listed and registered?
The Club was for a Social Meeting of Truckers not improvements
The accounts of which are none of your business
The Sarge:
He started this thread as a question & ANSWER session. Just been awfully light on the answers side…
questions answered but you do not like them.
You will never join the unity as you have made clear
So are posting just to undermine
Barrie Tozer:
Some are even going to lengths at bringing up old and long ago past events in their attempt to undermine
“MikeC” linking to the club that has no relevance that was a success, but he thought it might help make me look bad and no other reason than that.
Hey, if you feel undermined or bad then thats down to you. The Truckers Club is very relevant to things right now. Its the same format, the same “Unity”. Why would you running a club make you look bad ? Thats in your own head, running a club is good isn’t it ?
The PDU UK, just seems like a rebrand of the same thing, after all during this time you’ve still been uniting drivers and doing your campaigning etc…So whats changed ? I asked earlier, how come you have had no organic growth from your own Club members, forum, comittee etc ?
Its no good running round and blaming everyone else for your own lack of expansion.
You appear now to think you’re here for a “good discussion”, you’re not. You’re here, or your stated purpose was to answer questions on the PDA UK. Of course given your background, the years you’ve been doing it, the people you’ve been doing it with it appears you can’t even name some of your comittee even, never mind its aims. I think we’ve got as far as “the aims will be decided by the unity of drivers”, thats a non answer. Don’t deflect your failings on me. Nothing to do with me at all. And i’ll point out anything i see fit.
Sorry Bazza, didn’t realise this was a Q&A only for people who want to pay you money. I thought it was for TNUK members to find out more about the work that you are trying to do.
Was that how you pitched it to Rikki when he allowed you to advertise on here? That unless we promised to pay you a fiver you wouldn’t play nicely with us?
Barrie Tozer:
The Sarge:
He started this thread as a question & ANSWER session. Just been awfully light on the answers side…questions answered but you do not like them.
You will never join the unity as you have made clearSo are posting just to undermine
We didn’t get a chance to like or unlike answers as you ignored a lot of them so we have no idea what the answer was. You were selective in those that you answered that was not rightsome questions you referred to pdu site thats not an answer You appear to me to be a man who wants to be in control and when that is taken away you lose it Sorry that is how you were here on this post You asked for it yet did not fulfil the obligation How can you expect people to trust you when you behave like that Just saying That was what I gleaned from your performance here. It didn’t go the way you planned it for sure
Can we have some clear answers to these questions?
Can you tell us about ALL the websites that you have or are involved in?
As you have been campaigning on these issues for well over a decade, using many different names, thus far appearing to only have accomplished something to do with a toilet, can you explain why you feel that you haven’t accumulated the level of membership required to bring about change even though many of the issues you raise are current and valid today as they were ten years ago?
Would the reason for your continued drive to promote this cause have any relevance in selling click through adverts from your various web pages?
I am fully behind your ideals of the campaign but feel that you as a leader are harming its progress.
Looking at your page on the issues faced, you have no real idea of how to implement any real change once the powers that be drill down behind your headline. Shouting for change is one thing, having a well thought out and reasoned plan is another.
Captain Caveman 76:
Barrie Tozer:
Captain Caveman 76:
Barrie Tozer:
The majority on here are not attacking you Barrie, just watching, but what we are NOT seeing are any real answers…
We are not interested in raffle prizes, a slap up dinner, or a cuddly toy. We want to know and see what plans you have and how you are think you are going to achieve them. But all we have is 15 pages of nothing…107 answers is not nothing and like the bold it has been answered on numerous occasions but some do not read the answers given.
Many of those answers have simply referred people to your website.The plan is to unite and then work as one to bring about improvements
Fair enough, but if I am to unite with others, I want to know what the long and short term aims are.Nothing is in cement bacause until more get involved the PDU cannot be sure what needs to be addressed at higher level
In that case, how do you know things need addressing? Surely you have a plan, what is it?
unity means ensuring we address the correct issues and work together to get them resolved
Surey as a driver of 30+ years you already know what issues we face, what are you going to do and how?To plan without involving many or asking first would be wrong
I disagree, I am not going to sign up to a group when I do not know what its going to do.I don’t know you, I have no axe to grind, but you haven’t inspired me to part with my cash. You sound like a politician, saying how you’re going to make everything better but not saying how. I found the comment to the poster (at the top of page 15 I think, being told he would find answers to his questions now he’d joined) rather insulting.
There have been an awful lot of questions that show a lack of trust in you, particularly involving money and number of members. You have done nothing to resolve that, in fact you’ve made it worse with your secrecy. Fair enough if you cant give us information regarding member numbers, but you could at least tell us why.
Finally, I don’t think you come across in a terribly professional manner. Sorry for the term, but dummy spitting when backed into a corner isn’t instilling confidence in me.
I wish you luck in trying to improve the lot of us drivers and I hope I’m wrong, but without a definitive plan I think you’re doomed to failure.Unfortunately trying to answer 20 questions coming at a time, I am trying to be as brief as possible, accepted it is not a full explanation.
I cant speak for others, but I would have been happy with fuller and franker answers, even if I had to wait for them.The issues that need addressing what we would like to see resolved are on the website under “Issues” and would take a very long post on here to put so easier to direct there.
That isn’t an answer, just a direction to your website, as I mentioned above. Can you copy and paste the info here?No, far too long for a post on here, and properly laid out on the web
The plan is and will be to open the doors to those in Authority to address these issues as a lobby of Drivers
Who, when, where and for what purpose?Already opened a door with the RHA and have an open invitation to government Ministers when ready
The exact detail is to be discussed following surveys and polls by drivers and asking their opinions first
What will be the subject of these polls and surveys?Surveys are already on line
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No offence intended, Would it not be easier to read the information and then ask questions as all you are doing is asking me to repeat what is already available
Blimey guys im starting to feel sympathy for Barrie in all this.
Remember he is fighting his corner on his own, sure theres loads of previous im unaware of, im surprised the PDA lot havent turned up yet.
That said Barry if you want to become a leader of men (and the odd woman) remember there are lots of silent potentials viewing this thread, turning the other cheek from time to time will work better than trying to bite back imho.
I think Barrie has done a sterling job of uniting drivers together in this Q & A session.
So far he has seemed to United everyone’s back up with his lack of clear and open answers to questions asked.
If you are going to run and promote a campaign for better conditions for drivers, you are going to get a lot more probing questions from people and not just a few on this forum.
To get respect you must come out with direct and consise answers to any questions asked, and if you don’t know, say so.
People will respect you more for that than anything, rather than fobbing them off or saying it’s not relevant.
I seriously hope Barrie is no longer driving…the thought of someone suffering delusions and behind the wheel of a 44 ton killing machine is scary! 
Seriously, do you honestly not see the hypocrisy in your 100 plus responses, or how much harm you are doing to your own agenda by being so evasive?
There is no possible explanation for not divulging how many members you have, none at all…apart from simply not wanting others to know because it is a pitiful amount that would undermine your position?
Pointless in continuing with this ‘Q & A’ because clearly you are only going to spout more rhetoric and not actually answer anything that doesn’t suit your agenda.
Dipper_Dave:
Blimey guys im starting to feel sympathy for Barrie in all this.
Remember he is fighting his corner on his own, sure theres loads of previous im unaware of, im surprised the PDA lot havent turned up yet.That said Barry if you want to become a leader of men (and the odd woman) remember there are lots of silent potentials viewing this thread, turning the other cheek from time to time will work better than trying to bite back imho.
Wise words, thanks.
I try to answer, but there are five on here who will not do not want to listen.
Their one incentive to keep going on is to shut the PDU down.
Might add they have failed, there is enough support to move forward
Barrie Tozer:
tonka236:
Barrie Tozer:
…Some are even going to lengths at bringing up old and long ago past events in their attempt to undermine
“MikeC” linking to the club that has no relevance that was a success, but he thought it might help make me look bad and no other reason than that…Taken from YOUR website:
Aims & AmbitionsThis “The Professional Truckers Club” has ambitious aims to achieve a unity and comradeship between Truckers in the UK while at the same time offering far more back to the members by means of benefits.
There is widespread belief that Truckers will never unite and remain divided.
We must change this belief of our professionals by offering something worthwhile joining. By offering benefits members will join the club, this in turn will allow for meeting places and an annual event to bring truckers together building on friendship and unity.
So if it was such a success then you have made your aims. Why the change now to the PDU-UK? Why the difference in £30 per year to £25 eventually down to £5?
Where are the accounts of the Truckers-club?
Why isnt it listed and registered?The Club was for a Social Meeting of Truckers not improvements
The accounts of which are none of your business
So the previous tax years accounts for the PDU-UK?
Barrie Tozer:
Dipper_Dave:
Blimey guys im starting to feel sympathy for Barrie in all this.
Remember he is fighting his corner on his own, sure theres loads of previous im unaware of, im surprised the PDA lot havent turned up yet.That said Barry if you want to become a leader of men (and the odd woman) remember there are lots of silent potentials viewing this thread, turning the other cheek from time to time will work better than trying to bite back imho.
Wise words, thanks.
I try to answer, but there are five on here who will not do not want to listen.
Their one incentive to keep going on is to shut the PDU down.Might add they have failed, there is enough support to move forward
Are you reading the same posts I am? 
Barrie Tozer:
I try to answer, but there are five on here who will not do not want to listen.
Their one incentive to keep going on is to shut the PDU down.Might add they have failed, there is enough support to move forward
So your free advertising campaign worked then? Well done Trucknet, what would you have done without us?
wildfire:
I think Barrie has done a sterling job of uniting drivers together in this Q & A session.
So far he has seemed to United everyone’s back up with his lack of clear and open answers to questions asked.
If you are going to run and promote a campaign for better conditions for drivers, you are going to get a lot more probing questions from people and not just a few on this forum.To get respect you must come out with direct and consise answers to any questions asked, and if you don’t know, say so.
Some questions being asked would take me an hour to type and post (not a typist) Yet some being asked are clearly on the website, but some are asking for good reason while others to use and twist.
People will respect you more for that than anything, rather than fobbing them off or saying it’s not relevant.
I think asking questions about 2012 is not really relevant, as a lot has gone under the bridge since then, but even then some of which I am trying to answer but putting it back to more relevant questions