swordtail:
Barrie Tozer:
swordtail:
Barrie Tozer:
Why close one and start yet another?(ref Truckers club) If members wanted it to stay why close it? Was it that cow was fully milked as no new members joining so no more cash flow? Hence the need to start yet another with new members and new money.
As usual with no facts. 
It had to close because I was using my own money as the outgoings were bigger than incomings.
Look at what it did, then work out the income.
Of course no apology for being wrong,
but
then it takes a man to apologize 
So you didn’t learn any lessons from this and ploughed yet more of your own money into this “new” one? Obviously what you do with your own money is your business but any sensible person would have called it quits right then.Just an observation but if you are that loose with your own money do you think that gives any confidence to anyone when your taking theirs?
Barrie Tozer:
Actually the proof is I like to give more back than I take.
swordtail:
Actually I think it’s called bad money management and accounting 
Barrie Tozer:
As long as those joining get more back than they put in is actually good management.
Maybe unlike you I do not aim to rip anyone off but give back more
Oh so now I’m a rip off merchant! The same man who donated to your website years back when it was in its knees to help keep it going! I feel sorry for anyone who even hands over a penny to your causes as Obviously they can’t see through you like some of us do.Oh and just so you know I won’t be joining your Unity gang just incase that wasn’t clear. 
Funny how those that are very quick to post critcism, hate anything put back at them (I said maybe? guilty conscience)
After a short break to let everyone cool off a bit
The thread is unlocked … please keep the conversations civil to all other members taking part
Barrie Tozer:
Evil8Beezle:
The majority on here are not attacking you Barrie, just watching, but what we are NOT seeing are any real answers…
We are not interested in raffle prizes, a slap up dinner, or a cuddly toy. We want to know and see what plans you have and how you are think you are going to achieve them. But all we have is 15 pages of nothing…
107 answers is not nothing and like the bold it has been answered on numerous occasions but some do not read the answers given.
Many of those answers have simply referred people to your website.
The plan is to unite and then work as one to bring about improvements
Fair enough, but if I am to unite with others, I want to know what the long and short term aims are.
Nothing is in cement bacause until more get involved the PDU cannot be sure what needs to be addressed at higher level
In that case, how do you know things need addressing? Surely you have a plan, what is it?
unity means ensuring we address the correct issues and work together to get them resolved
Surey as a driver of 30+ years you already know what issues we face, what are you going to do and how?
To plan without involving many or asking first would be wrong
I disagree, I am not going to sign up to a group when I do not know what its going to do.
I don’t know you, I have no axe to grind, but you haven’t inspired me to part with my cash. You sound like a politician, saying how you’re going to make everything better but not saying how. I found the comment to the poster (at the top of page 15 I think, being told he would find answers to his questions now he’d joined) rather insulting.
There have been an awful lot of questions that show a lack of trust in you, particularly involving money and number of members. You have done nothing to resolve that, in fact you’ve made it worse with your secrecy. Fair enough if you cant give us information regarding member numbers, but you could at least tell us why.
Finally, I don’t think you come across in a terribly professional manner. Sorry for the term, but dummy spitting when backed into a corner isn’t instilling confidence in me.
I wish you luck in trying to improve the lot of us drivers and I hope I’m wrong, but without a definitive plan I think you’re doomed to failure.
Barrie Tozer:
Evil8Beezle:
The majority on here are not attacking you Barrie, just watching, but what we are NOT seeing are any real answers…
We are not interested in raffle prizes, a slap up dinner, or a cuddly toy. We want to know and see what plans you have and how you are think you are going to achieve them. But all we have is 15 pages of nothing…
107 answers is not nothing and like the bold it has been answered on numerous occasions but some do not read the answers given.
The plan is to unite and then work as one to bring about improvements
Nothing is in cement bacause until more get involved the PDU cannot be sure what needs to be addressed at higher level
unity means ensuring we address the correct issues and work together to get them resolved
To plan without involving many or asking first would be wrong
I think you have forgotten what you answered yo my question you said no strategy until you get the numbers paying up
Captain Caveman 76:
Barrie Tozer:
Evil8Beezle:
The majority on here are not attacking you Barrie, just watching, but what we are NOT seeing are any real answers…
We are not interested in raffle prizes, a slap up dinner, or a cuddly toy. We want to know and see what plans you have and how you are think you are going to achieve them. But all we have is 15 pages of nothing…
107 answers is not nothing and like the bold it has been answered on numerous occasions but some do not read the answers given.
Many of those answers have simply referred people to your website.
The plan is to unite and then work as one to bring about improvements
Fair enough, but if I am to unite with others, I want to know what the long and short term aims are.
Nothing is in cement bacause until more get involved the PDU cannot be sure what needs to be addressed at higher level
In that case, how do you know things need addressing? Surely you have a plan, what is it?
unity means ensuring we address the correct issues and work together to get them resolved
Surey as a driver of 30+ years you already know what issues we face, what are you going to do and how?
To plan without involving many or asking first would be wrong
I disagree, I am not going to sign up to a group when I do not know what its going to do.
I don’t know you, I have no axe to grind, but you haven’t inspired me to part with my cash. You sound like a politician, saying how you’re going to make everything better but not saying how. I found the comment to the poster (at the top of page 15 I think, being told he would find answers to his questions now he’d joined) rather insulting.
There have been an awful lot of questions that show a lack of trust in you, particularly involving money and number of members. You have done nothing to resolve that, in fact you’ve made it worse with your secrecy. Fair enough if you cant give us information regarding member numbers, but you could at least tell us why.
Finally, I don’t think you come across in a terribly professional manner. Sorry for the term, but dummy spitting when backed into a corner isn’t instilling confidence in me.
I wish you luck in trying to improve the lot of us drivers and I hope I’m wrong, but without a definitive plan I think you’re doomed to failure.
Yep, that’s how I’m feeling Cavey, I just couldn’t have put it so eloquently…
Good on Rikki for shutting down for a cool off and gave me time to look back
Firstly apology if I might have insulted anyone not intentional and possibly just getting a bit hot in here. 
I have answered many questions, but some simply cannot accept the answer given or want something more to arm them so they can come back with more in an attempt to undermine the PDU
I might add that most of the criticism is aimed at me, mostly from past and old goings on where they hold a grudge and fail to accept admittance of mistakes and so the PDU however good or bad is the target.
If there were 200 of my member on here posting how good it was others would be saying it must be good and so look and consider and in reality growth of most things are word of mouth
But
Because the majority are criticizing then it looks bad.
Some are even going to lengths at bringing up old and long ago past events in their attempt to undermine
“MikeC” linking to the club that has no relevance that was a success, but he thought it might help make me look bad and no other reason than that.
I am well used to being called all the names under the sun, being criticized for my mistakes and apologizing many times.
However it seems wrong that something that is aimed to help improve conditions is damaged because some cannot let the past lie and continue to hold a grudge.
Maybe I should ask all those on my FB group to join and post support and the tables might turn.
Accept my answers, if you do not like them move on.
Barrie Tozer:
Barrie Tozer:
swordtail:
Barrie Tozer:
Why close one and start yet another?(ref Truckers club) If members wanted it to stay why close it? Was it that cow was fully milked as no new members joining so no more cash flow? Hence the need to start yet another with new members and new money.
As usual with no facts.
It had to close because I was using my own money as the outgoings were bigger than incomings.
Look at what it did, then work out the income.
Of course no apology for being wrong,
but
then it takes a man to apologize
So you didn’t learn any lessons from this and ploughed yet more of your own money into this “new” one? Obviously what you do with your own money is your business but any sensible person would have called it quits right then.Just an observation but if you are that loose with your own money do you think that gives any confidence to anyone when your taking theirs?
Barrie Tozer:
As long as those joining get more back than they put in is actually good management.
Maybe unlike you I do not aim to rip anyone off but give back more
Oh so now I’m a rip off merchant! The same man who donated to your website years back when it was in its knees to help keep it going! I feel sorry for anyone who even hands over a penny to your causes as Obviously they can’t see through you like some of us do.Oh and just so you know I won’t be joining your Unity gang just incase that wasn’t clear.
Funny how those that are very quick to post critcism, hate anything put back at them (I said maybe? guilty conscience)
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In respect to Rikki and trucknet I am not going to reply to this all I will say my conscience is clear…very clear.
Barrie, are you going to answer my questions? Just the last three will do - don’t worry about the others that you can’t answer
You’ve had your 15 pages of fame with more views over two days than you’ve probably ever had on your little love-in forum, and I would love to know WHAT exactly your plans are for the money you hope to collect.
volvo2:
Barrie Tozer:
Evil8Beezle:
The majority on here are not attacking you Barrie, just watching, but what we are NOT seeing are any real answers…
We are not interested in raffle prizes, a slap up dinner, or a cuddly toy. We want to know and see what plans you have and how you are think you are going to achieve them. But all we have is 15 pages of nothing…
107 answers is not nothing and like the bold it has been answered on numerous occasions but some do not read the answers given.
The plan is to unite and then work as one to bring about improvements
Nothing is in cement bacause until more get involved the PDU cannot be sure what needs to be addressed at higher level
unity means ensuring we address the correct issues and work together to get them resolved
To plan without involving many or asking first would be wrong
I think you have forgotten what you answered yo my question you said no strategy until you get the numbers but youare doing this the wrong way round You won’t get members if you have no clear plan how to do this. You have not got the confidence of the majorityof drivers including myself after reading the banal answers to questions and refusing aaatoanswer others and ignoring others completely You are not qualified to do this and you should realise that by now It is all very amateurish as if dreamt up by a child as a school project Sorry but that is how you come over here. A complete amateur
Captain Caveman 76:
Barrie Tozer:
Evil8Beezle:
The majority on here are not attacking you Barrie, just watching, but what we are NOT seeing are any real answers…
We are not interested in raffle prizes, a slap up dinner, or a cuddly toy. We want to know and see what plans you have and how you are think you are going to achieve them. But all we have is 15 pages of nothing…
107 answers is not nothing and like the bold it has been answered on numerous occasions but some do not read the answers given.
Many of those answers have simply referred people to your website.
The plan is to unite and then work as one to bring about improvements
Fair enough, but if I am to unite with others, I want to know what the long and short term aims are.
Nothing is in cement bacause until more get involved the PDU cannot be sure what needs to be addressed at higher level
In that case, how do you know things need addressing? Surely you have a plan, what is it?
unity means ensuring we address the correct issues and work together to get them resolved
Surey as a driver of 30+ years you already know what issues we face, what are you going to do and how?
To plan without involving many or asking first would be wrong
I disagree, I am not going to sign up to a group when I do not know what its going to do.
I don’t know you, I have no axe to grind, but you haven’t inspired me to part with my cash. You sound like a politician, saying how you’re going to make everything better but not saying how. I found the comment to the poster (at the top of page 15 I think, being told he would find answers to his questions now he’d joined) rather insulting.
There have been an awful lot of questions that show a lack of trust in you, particularly involving money and number of members. You have done nothing to resolve that, in fact you’ve made it worse with your secrecy. Fair enough if you cant give us information regarding member numbers, but you could at least tell us why.
Finally, I don’t think you come across in a terribly professional manner. Sorry for the term, but dummy spitting when backed into a corner isn’t instilling confidence in me.
I wish you luck in trying to improve the lot of us drivers and I hope I’m wrong, but without a definitive plan I think you’re doomed to failure.
Unfortunately trying to answer 20 questions coming at a time, I am trying to be as brief as possible, accepted it is not a full explanation.
The issues that need addressing what we would like to see resolved are on the website under “Issues” and would take a very long post on here to put so easier to direct there.
The plan is and will be to open the doors to those in Authority to address these issues as a lobby of Drivers
The exact detail is to be discussed following surveys and polls by drivers and asking their opinions first
Barrie Tozer:
Good on Rikki for shutting down for a cool off and gave me time to look back
Firstly apology if I might have insulted anyone not intentional and possibly just getting a bit hot in here.
I have answered many questions, but some simply cannot accept the answer given or want something more to arm them so they can come back with more in an attempt to undermine the PDU
I might add that most of the criticism is aimed at me, mostly from past and old goings on where they hold a grudge and fail to accept admittance of mistakes and so the PDU however good or bad is the target.
If there were 200 of my member on here posting how good it was others would be saying it must be good and so look and consider and in reality growth of most things are word of mouth
But
Because the majority are criticizing then it looks bad.
Some are even going to lengths at bringing up old and long ago past events in their attempt to undermine
“MikeC” linking to the club that has no relevance that was a success, but he thought it might help make me look bad and no other reason than that.
I am well used to being called all the names under the sun, being criticized for my mistakes and apologizing many times.
However it seems wrong that something that is aimed to help improve conditions is damaged because some cannot let the past lie and continue to hold a grudge.
Maybe I should ask all those on my FB group to join and post support and the tables might turn.
Accept my answers, if you do not like them move on.
Vital that new people know your previous history before they make a decision and not just take your word. Again if someone in authotiry asks you will you take umbrage to them
The Sarge:
Barrie, are you going to answer my questions? Just the last three will do - don’t worry about the others that you can’t answer
You’ve had your 15 pages of fame with more views over two days than you’ve probably ever had on your little love-in forum, and I would love to know WHAT exactly your plans are for the money you hope to collect.
Unfortunately you are one that I have referred to above that cannot accept and answer if you do not like it.
answered on numerous occasions.
£5.00 in = £5.00 out
So what am I supposed to do with no money as income.
Last answer on the financies
You may have posted some “107” times in this thread but that doesnt mean 107 answers have been given.
There is a difference olde bean
Heres one that continues to go unanswered
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Barrie Tozer:
tonka236:
Barrie Tozer:
The-Snowman:
If you only have 30-40p left from the £5 membership fee, why the need for the initial £25 fee? What was the other £20.20 going to be used for?
Not avoiding this and will answer tomorrow
Still no answer to this?
To follow up to the above, your own posts have shown that you have been asking for membership across the past financial year. Where can the accounts be seen?
You have admitted that uptake has been very low, so how many members are paid up to the PDU-UK?
How many members paid up the previous £30 and £25 per annum amounts? How many people didnt receive their “refunds”?
You say the PDU-UK is fully accountable so therefore this should be easy to answer.
Now you proclaim to be against the dCPC so therefore…
Why did you organise a protest of the dCPC in 2012 some three years AFTER it came into force? Numerous years after it was ever thought up off?
Oh and just how much were your dCPC training modules again?
How long is “lifetime” in the eyes of the PDU-UK?
Who gets to decide who is in what role of your Union? When can we see the results?
I assume from your earlier comment, regarding using the name “Truckersworld”, to open doors etc that you haven’t been using this recently?
After all on the last point, you have updated YOUR posts to state that truckersworld has attended meetings not PDU-UK?
As stated previously I will ignore your questions as you continually bring up events from years ago and of no relevance.
As such I will no longer even read your post
I am answering everyone else questions so please continue
Just of interest are you ignoring me for asking the question or because the question relates to money and legalities of the PDU?
The question will continue to be asked in the hope that the answer sheds light on numerous points.
You openly admit you have campaigned for numerous years. Some of those years have resulted in you asking for money. As you say the PDU is full accountable, therefore it shouldnt take long to show how many members have joined by the money taken in by the PDU.
The greatest claim to date, since 2002, is helping a driver get his money by writing a letter. But of course the PDU wont be getting involved in work based issues. So that nullifies the previous victory surely?
The questions also help to shed light on the £35000 plus wage your website seeks.
Oh and…
Sometimes those in positions of authority need to inform Truckers of new rule or regulation.
This can easily be achieved by signing up to their notifications and their blog. But here is the best thing… ITS FREE!
So remind me again why I would want to pay a £5 joining fee for an aspect you offer which can be achieved FOC 
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volvo2:
Barrie Tozer:
Good on Rikki for shutting down for a cool off and gave me time to look back
Firstly apology if I might have insulted anyone not intentional and possibly just getting a bit hot in here.
I have answered many questions, but some simply cannot accept the answer given or want something more to arm them so they can come back with more in an attempt to undermine the PDU
I might add that most of the criticism is aimed at me, mostly from past and old goings on where they hold a grudge and fail to accept admittance of mistakes and so the PDU however good or bad is the target.
If there were 200 of my member on here posting how good it was others would be saying it must be good and so look and consider and in reality growth of most things are word of mouth
But
Because the majority are criticizing then it looks bad.
Some are even going to lengths at bringing up old and long ago past events in their attempt to undermine
“MikeC” linking to the club that has no relevance that was a success, but he thought it might help make me look bad and no other reason than that.
I am well used to being called all the names under the sun, being criticized for my mistakes and apologizing many times.
However it seems wrong that something that is aimed to help improve conditions is damaged because some cannot let the past lie and continue to hold a grudge.
Maybe I should ask all those on my FB group to join and post support and the tables might turn.
Accept my answers, if you do not like them move on.
Vital that new people know your previous history before they make a decision and not just take your word. Again if someone in authotiry asks you will you take umbrage to them
Past history might not be good as I have admitted to many mistakes, but maybe learn and improve. but some can never forget the past.
Ask the CEO RHA whether I am able to debate, as on the 8th March this year he agreed to a meeting and has now opened the door for a lobby of Drivers to discuss issues.
Would the CEO of a organisation offer this to someone if I approached in the wrong manner.?
That’s one answered - how about the other two?
Also, I thought you said that there was 50pence (or 40pence, or 30pence) left over from each fiver. What happened to them?
Now we’re back to 3 questions, sorry…
£5.00 in = £5.00 out
So what am I supposed to do with no money as income.
Give up that is what you do
“tonka236”
you have been informed twice that your questions are being ignored
no relevance some 14 years ago and to be honest the way you are going do not deserve the respect for a reply.
Just ruining a good debate
I’m still struggling why there is so much mega hostility towards this guy. His aim is to try and improve things not start a ■■■■ ■■■■■■■■■■ ring.
It’s the same as a radio or tv programme, if you aint interested switch it off, same on here, some of you have already made a decision, you either don’t like his ideas or you don’t trust him, so you are NEVER going to be satisfied with his answers if we sit here all night thrashing it out,… whatever he says.
I admit some of his answers are a bit unfulfilling to say the least, but why keep on banging away, just don’t bother posting, there have been threads on here in the past that I have got ■■■■■■ with, and bored, so I just knock it, and move on.
The negativity has been noted and rammed home, so why keep repeating it, what is it going to achieve?
I aint saying I support him 100%, because I don’t, but ffs give the guy a break.
Barrie Tozer:
…Some are even going to lengths at bringing up old and long ago past events in their attempt to undermine
“MikeC” linking to the club that has no relevance that was a success, but he thought it might help make me look bad and no other reason than that…
Taken from YOUR website:
Aims & Ambitions
This “The Professional Truckers Club” has ambitious aims to achieve a unity and comradeship between Truckers in the UK while at the same time offering far more back to the members by means of benefits.
There is widespread belief that Truckers will never unite and remain divided.
We must change this belief of our professionals by offering something worthwhile joining. By offering benefits members will join the club, this in turn will allow for meeting places and an annual event to bring truckers together building on friendship and unity.
So if it was such a success then you have made your aims. Why the change now to the PDU-UK? Why the difference in £30 per year to £25 eventually down to £5?
Where are the accounts of the Truckers-club?
Why isnt it listed and registered?