Rikki-UK:
I wonder which part of “we are not a campaigning organisation” is so difficult to understand
And I dont think its that speedy… as the drivers CPC has been talked about for ages and ages, and looking at the dirty great banner to the right of the page I hardly think Stealthy applies either.
And I also dont think we are getting it the ear… a few people out of the 100’s that visit each day are making a noise, but as its the same ones as usual that complain about anything we do I mostly stopped taking much notice of them ages ago especially when its well known that they are laughing and joking about trying to cause a little mayhem on here in other places
not about causing mayhem. but we do laugh a lot @ trucknet in the forums on the ldf…
Oh thanks Terry! you have just given our little secret away!
tortoise:
I have two thoughts. As the cost of training goes up eg. Drivers CPC; will a private individual be able to afford the cost any more. Secondly look about you on the road. Do you see any young people driving. What happens if all us oldies decide to call it a day in September 2014. A driver shortage maybe?.
There are plenty younger guys who are sitting waiting to get a slice of the action - last year I worked for seven weeks with a guy who was 73 and he was doing the Birds Eye pea harvest tipper work.
At the tender age of 46 that means I have twenty years of driving in me and then another 13 doing the Pea work until I drop to the ground f££££d.
At the moment I can’t get a drive because you old timers are all hanging on like grim death…vive le revolution.
Why folk are getting so upset over these three choices is beyond me.
Option one: Pay your money, do the Big Train thing.
Option two: Do some research, train somewhere else.
Option three: Stop driving for a living in 2014 and do something different.
Those I hear objecting to the Driver CPC seem offended at the suggestion that they don’t know it all already.
For those of us that don’t, its a chance to learn new things without breaking anything in the process.
The battles now should not be about getting it revoked, or setting things up to do it online, because theres more chance of me running a four minute mile. The fight now should be to get employers to pay for it for their staff.
If a lot of old hands jack in come 2014, the resulting driver shortage should get the rest of us better wages, and potentially safer roads to work on, being driven by better trained drivers.
Whatever its faults, and there are a few, the Driver CPC has got to be an improvment on the old “learn as you earn” system we’ve endured these many years.
BiggerBirdie:
If a lot of old hands jack in come 2014, the resulting driver shortage should get the rest of us better wages, and potentially safer roads to work on, being driven by better trained drivers.
If you believe that ,you must believe in fairies too,they wil just import more foreign drivers who will work for peanuts
Whatever its faults, and there are a few, the Driver CPC has got to be an improvment on the old “learn as you earn” system we’ve endured these many years.
It worked for me and thousands of others
Going on the above i’m 24 i will quit driving in 2014 reasons.
Not one organisation helps drivers unless it benifits them. Unions want money but will only help with court case’s, FTA are useless they stick thier nose’s in where they are not wanted giving companys stickers same as RHA.
Car drivers are becoming more ignorant.
Roads are to congested and i am fed up of not been able to work a day without traffic.
Roadworks are everywhere and never ending.
Companys (not all) are expecting to much of us drivers.
I’m watching my mirrors every checkpoint although i’m clean i do not trust VOSA/POLICE to find something because they get on the spot fines.
Stupid motorway service’s are ripping us trampers off. With a stupid comment in T and D the government dont tell us were supermarkets and end of that little piece on the bottom of the page. That has actually stopped me buying T and D, thanks for asking and so what if the government dont class you as a supermarket you rip people off.
Our young generation of drivers are hinged because of insurance and they find other jobs and their HGV licence becomes redundant i have friends who have HGV and are not going to use it.
I’ve signed the pettition but it will have no effect because were governed by money grabbing idiots who dont give a toss what we go through aslong as it looks good for them by the PC’s who winge and whine over any bloody thing they can.
I’m no perfect driver but christ i’m really tipping over the edge and i know i am not alone.
My thoughts are that grand father rights are just stupid. Now I know that the majority of people on here are clued up but not every driver is on TNUK. On a couple of assessments I’ve been to I’ve came across drivers with 15+ years experience that don’t even know basic rules such as daily rest requirements. One driver stunned me once by not even knowing the the basic 4.5 hour rule, depsite the fact we sat through a power point presentation 15 minutes earlier.
I can understand the whole point of the CPC…but I do think that it’s over rated, I just think we should be forced to read GV262 every year for 2 hours.
Best thing i got given was off Chicken George the 2nd off here who i bumped into in london its a nice little card tells you the drivers hours rules… its stuck on the wall of my cab and has been a god send!!!
Adam_Mc:
One driver stunned me once by not even knowing the the basic 4.5 hour rule, depsite the fact we sat through a power point presentation 15 minutes earlier
And therein lies part of the problem - there is no test to see if the driver has understood what they have just been ‘trained’ for
Many others will have sat through the same course and been bored to tears as they did know it in the first place - why? - because there was no assessment to see if they needed it in the first place
This cpc is going to happen no matter what is said either on here or anywhere else.Some people don’t like change ( maybe their scared) or maybe it might show up all their bad habit’s that they have.( we all have them),so you either accept it and get on with the job or you find a new career.The cpc ain’t difficult and you have nothing to worry about,yes it might be a pain in the arse sitting in a class for 7hrs,but it’s all stuff you have done before,just polished up.
Just to add fuel to the fire… you will be sent a card much the same as your digi card,this shows that you have done your cpc if stopped by vosa/police,if you don’t have it on you then it’s an on the spot £30 fine and a fine for your boss for allowing you to drive the truck without it.
And if your a new driver wanting to sit your lgv test then this cpc test will be added along with your haz perception and theory test when you go to test centre.
tortoise:
I have two thoughts. As the cost of training goes up eg. Drivers CPC; will a private individual be able to afford the cost any more. Secondly look about you on the road. Do you see any young people driving. What happens if all us oldies decide to call it a day in September 2014. A driver shortage maybe?.
Why was this thread split from the advert for the Driver CPC courses being pushed ?
Is it an attempt to hide the fact that the owners and manager of this site are using their influence on this forum to get people to sign up for a course that you could be excused for thinking appears to be a little dubious to say the least
What about the charges for uploading to the database, are they included in the cost of the course ?
I have had a C1 since 1979, does this mean I get the a CPC through grandfather rights, if so what do I do to obtain it, and what exactly is it, is it a card, certificate or some thing that has to be printed on your licence.
hptruck:
I have had a C1 since 1979, does this mean I get the a CPC through grandfather rights, if so what do I do to obtain it, and what exactly is it, is it a card, certificate or some thing that has to be printed on your licence.
It’s already on your licence, the bit that says when you got your C1.
Once you’ve completed your Driver CPC training of 35 hours, you’ll get another card to carry to prove you’ve done the training.
hptruck:
I have had a C1 since 1979, does this mean I get the a CPC through grandfather rights, if so what do I do to obtain it, and what exactly is it, is it a card, certificate or some thing that has to be printed on your licence.
Trucknet would have earned more respect from the drivers on this site if they had held back from plugging this Big Train scheme and not trying to make a profit by creating a panic.They have now almost certainly set a price benchmark for CPC training across the country which trainers up and down the land will tap into because it is a captive market.
It would have been much wiser for Trucknet to allow training for CPC to become established and prices to stabilise and then knock a scheme together offering better value for drivers.As I posted earlier I can get an ADR license including 21 hours CPC for £330 which is much better value.If you look on the newbies page they offer advice on how to avoid being ripped off by medical costs and driver training companies with small print,I think they should add the Big Train as places to avoid or at least be wary of.
Weither one likes it or not the CPC is here , right why is the goverment not doing the same as many other EU countrys,Here in germany Grants are in place to pay for these courses, and to get this, either employers, or employlees must apply for the grant, ALSO in Germany you must take the course in German even if you are not a German passport holder, No other language is allowed,If as many fear that cheap labour will take their jobs , get in touch with your MP and push for a laid down and set standard of english that has to be spoken and understood this is a matter of H&S, WHEN one is permently working in a country, and some thing that does need to be sorted out,and as for this site offering such courses well it is not alone in this and every one is free to pick and chose where they do the CPC COURSES;
welshboyinspain:
'…when Europe brings out a rule most countries with a backbone say up yours whereas New Labour say ‘oh yes please Mr Europe how far do you want us to jump?..’
Both the Conservatives and Liberals say it too - check their small-print.
Because if a magazine reports campaigns being conducted by others, or occassionaly raises awareness of issues itself that doesnt make it a “campaigning organisation”. RBI is a publisher of news, information and discussion.
Just because the Sun newspaper runs campaigns that still means its a newspaper publisher not a campaigning organisation. Similarly with the BBC does it stop being a broadcaster because it as run a campaign or two?.
A campaigning organisation will focus its whole time on researching and raising issues and presenting them to the bodies that can make a difference, the Media (in this case RBI ) may highlight those issues or the campaigns being waged and often do.
Both T&D and CM have had articles and editorials about the drivers CPC and highlighting some of the percieved issues with it. but why let trivial facts like that ruin a perfectly good discussion !!
Because Rikki,these publications have worded the articles in such a way that it makes them look to be in agreement with the directive.
Tachodisc are advertisers in these magazines and they are big proponents of the CPC and as they pay RBI big money to advertise RBI isn’t going to do anything to upset the applecart.As has been posted in this forum: “100% for drivers” utter BS.
Rikki-UK:
Because if a magazine reports campaigns being conducted by others, or occassionaly raises awareness of issues itself that doesnt make it a “campaigning organisation”. RBI is a publisher of news, information and discussion.
Just because the Sun newspaper runs campaigns that still means its a newspaper publisher not a campaigning organisation. Similarly with the BBC does it stop being a broadcaster because it as run a campaign or two?.
A campaigning organisation will focus its whole time on researching and raising issues and presenting them to the bodies that can make a difference, the Media (in this case RBI ) may highlight those issues or the campaigns being waged and often do.
Both T&D and CM have had articles and editorials about the drivers CPC and highlighting some of the percieved issues with it. but why let trivial facts like that ruin a perfectly good discussion !!
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