truckerjon:
Teflon Tony, Gormless Gordon and their pals at the banks spent us into this right [zb] mess, lets hope someone can get us out.
Yes but it seems that it won’t be the rich sacrificing anything to help!
Define the rich?, would they include some of the Tony crony champagne socialists pretending to run the country alongside him in the last government. I sorta felt sorry for Gordon, when he was chancellor he bankrolled Tonys big society/slap up meal party but didn’t know the drinks were going to be free. When Tony saw the waiter totting up the bill he knew what was coming so he did a runner and [zb] off, and left Gordon the Moron to nervously hand over the countrys credit card, knowing full well payment was going to be declined
Rich isn’t just being a tory. i was unable to vote for anyone because i live in the speakers constituency, although nigel fararge did stand against him, it was a forgone conclusion who would win. I hoped when we got a coalition government, that the Lib dems might just keep the tory fat cat policies under control. gordon and tony before him ruined the country, and it needed someone with a bit of moral fibre to set us on the straight and narrow path to recovery. well this budget has shown that the current encumbants are no better than the last lot, lining the pockets of the bankers, oil companies and super rich and themselves, while cutting the pay and conditions of the ordinary workman.
I am fully prepared to tighten my belt, take a pay cut in neccessary, but only if we are really all in it toggether. someone on £25,000 PA who agrees a 20% cut would drop to £20,000, a banker on £7 million a year would still earn £5.6million. tell me who can afford the cut most?
truckerjon:
I am fully prepared to tighten my belt, take a pay cut in neccessary, but only if we are really all in it toggether. someone on £25,000 PA who agrees a 20% cut would drop to £20,000, a banker on £7 million a year would still earn £5.6million. tell me who can afford the cut most?
Despite what the papers say there won’t be many bankers on £7 million a year, and they’ll be paying 50% tax already so squeezing them somemore ain’t going to save the country. But there is several million of the population on £25k per year, and unfortunately that brings in £billions more than taxing those £7 million a year bankers, even the Gormless Gordon or Boggle Eyes Ball could have worked that one out despite what they’re saying.
Labour are probably quite relieved they didn’t get in at the last election, they’ll do the usual thing of sniping at the Conservatives as they watch them sweep up all the ■■■■ and tidy the country up and set it back on the straight and narrow, just so Labour can get back in again and ■■■■ it all up the wall all over again. I can’t wait
Big Joe:
Labour are probably quite relieved they didn’t get in at the last election, they’ll do the usual thing of sniping at the Conservatives as they watch them sweep up all the [zb] and tidy the country up and set it back on the straight and narrow, just so Labour can get back in again and ■■■■ it all up the wall all over again. I can’t wait
I was talking about this with the Mrs the other day, she was saying she didn’t think Dave and Co would get back in and I said they knew when they were first elected that they were not going to get back in, hence why they timetabled the cuts for within this parliament, get most of the work done now, count on the inertia of economics to keep labour on the straight and narrow and hope for re-election the year after.
I don’t think they have a cat in hells chance of re-election, I’ve voted Tory all my life and I’m not planning to vote for them next time around. I looked at Blair and thought that Labour weren’t for me so chose Tory, if I had been a bit more clued up I would have realised that Blair was a Tory with a Red Rosette and that Dave was more of the same. My only defence is that I am not old enough to remember Old Labour. I can certainly see why people have the “they are all the same, what’s the point?” mentality.
truckerjon:
I am fully prepared to tighten my belt, take a pay cut in neccessary, but only if we are really all in it toggether. someone on £25,000 PA who agrees a 20% cut would drop to £20,000, a banker on £7 million a year would still earn £5.6million. tell me who can afford the cut most?
Despite what the papers say there won’t be many bankers on £7 million a year, and they’ll be paying 50% tax already so squeezing them somemore ain’t going to save the country. But there is several million of the population on £25k per year, and unfortunately that brings in £billions more than taxing those £7 million a year bankers, even the Gormless Gordon or Boggle Eyes Ball could have worked that one out despite what they’re saying.
Labour are probably quite relieved they didn’t get in at the last election, they’ll do the usual thing of sniping at the Conservatives as they watch them sweep up all the [zb] and tidy the country up and set it back on the straight and narrow, just so Labour can get back in again and ■■■■ it all up the wall all over again. I can’t wait
well 10 bankers reducing thier wages by 20% from £7m is the same as 2800 people on 25,000 taking a 20% cut, and in the last budget, georgy boy handed the rich a nice little pay rise, by cutting top rate tax to 45% Am I missing something here? top earners get a tax cut while we all get our pockets squeezed?
Me I’ll willingly pay 50% tax if you pay me £7 m a year, in fact, I’ll do everybody a favour and pay 60% on £7m. Now how could i possibly manage on a miserly £3m a year!
truckerjon:
I am fully prepared to tighten my belt, take a pay cut in neccessary, but only if we are really all in it toggether. someone on £25,000 PA who agrees a 20% cut would drop to £20,000, a banker on £7 million a year would still earn £5.6million. tell me who can afford the cut most?
Despite what the papers say there won’t be many bankers on £7 million a year, and they’ll be paying 50% tax already so squeezing them somemore ain’t going to save the country. But there is several million of the population on £25k per year, and unfortunately that brings in £billions more than taxing those £7 million a year bankers, even the Gormless Gordon or Boggle Eyes Ball could have worked that one out despite what they’re saying.
Labour are probably quite relieved they didn’t get in at the last election, they’ll do the usual thing of sniping at the Conservatives as they watch them sweep up all the [zb] and tidy the country up and set it back on the straight and narrow, just so Labour can get back in again and ■■■■ it all up the wall all over again. I can’t wait
well 10 bankers reducing thier wages by 20% from £7m is the same as 2800 people on 25,000 taking a 20% cut, and in the last budget, georgy boy handed the rich a nice little pay rise, by cutting top rate tax to 45% Am I missing something here? top earners get a tax cut while we all get our pockets squeezed?
Me I’ll willingly pay 50% tax if you pay me £7 m a year, in fact, I’ll do everybody a favour and pay 60% on £7m. Now how could i possibly manage on a miserly £3m a year!
The thing is, as has been mentioned on here before, the best way to have money is not to try and control what you earn, but what you spend. The rich didn’t become rich by paying all of their taxes like good little boys so they use every avoidance scheme in the book.
A Hoyer spokesman said: 'We are dismayed at the outcome of the Unite ballot for industrial action involving 650 drivers on our fuels contracts.
'Particularly as only 215 drivers out of the 650 voted for strike action (33%) and we therefore believe that this action is being driven by a small disaffected group of employees.
'In our history of delivering petroleum products for large oil companies, Hoyer has not had a major accident or serious injury to a member of our team.
'Pay and conditions for Hoyer drivers are among the best in the industry. Our drivers earn on average £45,000 a year. 'They are well rewarded because they are professionals, highly trained and skilled in the work that they carry out, particularly with regard to health and safety.
‘We have been actively engaged in discussions with Unite through the Industry Forum to examine ways in which these high health safety and training stands can be applied across the industry but Unite walked away from those discussions.’
Big Joe:
Labour are probably quite relieved they didn’t get in at the last election, they’ll do the usual thing of sniping at the Conservatives as they watch them sweep up all the [zb] and tidy the country up and set it back on the straight and narrow, just so Labour can get back in again and ■■■■ it all up the wall all over again. I can’t wait
So exactly what is it that was so different about Blair’s policies to Maggie’s .There’s no way that anyone can tidy up an economy that’s been thrown down the tubes of massive trade deficits with cheap labour countries instead of paying it’s own workers enough to provide the spending power needed for continuous domestic economic growth and in which we don’t import stuff that we can provide for ourselves.
Big Joe:
Labour are probably quite relieved they didn’t get in at the last election, they’ll do the usual thing of sniping at the Conservatives as they watch them sweep up all the [zb] and tidy the country up and set it back on the straight and narrow, just so Labour can get back in again and ■■■■ it all up the wall all over again. I can’t wait
I was talking about this with the Mrs the other day, she was saying she didn’t think Dave and Co would get back in and I said they knew when they were first elected that they were not going to get back in, hence why they timetabled the cuts for within this parliament, get most of the work done now, count on the inertia of economics to keep labour on the straight and narrow and hope for re-election the year after.
I don’t think they have a cat in hells chance of re-election, I’ve voted Tory all my life and I’m not planning to vote for them next time around. I looked at Blair and thought that Labour weren’t for me so chose Tory, if I had been a bit more clued up I would have realised that Blair was a Tory with a Red Rosette and that Dave was more of the same. My only defence is that I am not old enough to remember Old Labour. I can certainly see why people have the “they are all the same, what’s the point?” mentality.
The records concerning the state of the UK economy after Thatcher’s election during the early 1980’s compared to the one that Heath took over in 1970 (unlike Thatcher without the benefit of North Sea Oil being in full production at that point) should have provided you with a clue assuming you weren’t there at the time.
TDL102:
A Hoyer spokesman said: 'We are dismayed at the outcome of the Unite ballot for industrial action involving 650 drivers on our fuels contracts.
'Particularly as only 215 drivers out of the 650 voted for strike action (33%) and we therefore believe that this action is being driven by a small disaffected group of employees.
'In our history of delivering petroleum products for large oil companies, Hoyer has not had a major accident or serious injury to a member of our team.
'Pay and conditions for Hoyer drivers are among the best in the industry. Our drivers earn on average £45,000 a year. 'They are well rewarded because they are professionals, highly trained and skilled in the work that they carry out, particularly with regard to health and safety.
‘We have been actively engaged in discussions with Unite through the Industry Forum to examine ways in which these high health safety and training stands can be applied across the industry but Unite walked away from those discussions.’
So are they saying that the vote wasn’t a majority of those who voted and/or all 650 did vote in which case it wouldn’t be a majority in favour .
Or are they saying that it’s only 33% of those who were eligible to vote .
In which case that’s probably more than actually voted for the zb Tories and the LibDems as a proportion of the total electorate if we’re now going to require a majority vote of those who were eligible to vote rather than just a majority of those who voted.The fact is just like a general election the majority only needs to be based on those who actually voted not the total electorate.
However if they’re saying let’s change the rules to one of a majority of the total electorate then let’s have the same for government and referenda elections too.
Mr B:
If the army is used to deliver fuel for non emergency reasons and they break a strike the good will they have with help for heroes will quickly evaporate.
why ? they have no choice in the matter
Juddian:
Wonder who will take responsibility should a serious accident occur when amateurs do the job of pro’s,
ffs it´s not rocket science it only took me a couple of days to learn how to refuel helicopters with the engines running
gnasty gnome:
What peeves a lot of people (with a certain element of justification) is that those same unions who’ll do anything for fuel tanker drivers won’t get out of bed for blokes on general haulage, or shop floor workers in a biscuit factory; for the simple reason that they know that it carries no chance of making mischief for the government.
at last someone has turned the light on
Winseer:
(2) This company made £100million last year which is crap compared to other companies in the FTSE, so we’re going to cut your pay by 20% so initially we can get those profits upto £120million, and then beyond. We’ve got our shareholders to consider!"
maybe just maybe most of that will be needed to renew refineries (the bits and pieces don´t come cheap ) or to invest in finding and developing new exploration which costs billions and takes decades to do
Winseer:
(2) This company made £100million last year which is crap compared to other companies in the FTSE, so we’re going to cut your pay by 20% so initially we can get those profits upto £120million, and then beyond. We’ve got our shareholders to consider!"
maybe just maybe most of that will be needed to renew refineries (the bits and pieces don´t come cheap ) or to invest in finding and developing new exploration which costs billions and takes decades to do
Maybe the shareholders would be interested to know exactly what the ‘profits’ are after those ‘costs’ have all been subtracted in that case.
However if they’re saying let’s change the rules to one of a majority of the total electorate then let’s have the same for government and referenda elections too.
Bugger me i find meself nodding in agreement at nearly every one of your posts.
We need a few more million able to think for themselves and the country really could stop the continual slide to oblivion.
As the oil majors (the real paymasters here) made a collective profit of £106Billion last year, and are having a better year this year due to tensions in Iran ,paying a proper wage to tanker drivers is not a problem for them, it’s just pure corporate greed that encourages constant competition for the delivery contract, the main variable here being drivers wages.
To all those on here who think that they’re paid too much a question -
Are you paid too much ■■ There seem to be enough fools on here who will undercut you, yet complain about Stobarts rates on the very next thread. Theres no point campaigning for a minimum £15 per hour on here and then shooting down the first group of well paid workers who try to maintain the very same thing for themselves. Drivers are their own worst enemies.
Juddian:
We need a few more million able to think for themselves and the country really could stop the continual slide to oblivion.
That’s just the problem… evereyone does think for themselves, or at least that little sub-set of the main population which they align themselves with. They want their little world to be perfect and sod everyone else, which oddly enough is exactly what they accuse the wealthy of.
Carryfast’s little dreamworld isn’t one I’d care to inhabit.
So what are they striking about then if it got nothing to do with money?
According to the Unite website:
Tanker drivers work in an increasingly fragmented and pressurised industry where corners are being cut on safety and training in a bid to squeeze profits and win contracts. Drivers face growing job insecurity as a result of the contract ‘merry-go-round’ and a ‘beat the clock’ culture has flourished with drivers forced to meet ever shorter delivery deadlines.
Final salary pension schemes have been swapped for inferior money purchase schemes, and some workers are now on their sixth pension in as many years, with 10 to 15 years left to go in the industry
Final salary schemes have been disappearing for years now. Companies lose and win contracts all the time. Cuts are being made everywhere.
What does “beat the clock” mean. Are these drivers expected to drive against the driver’s hours or are they expected to be more efficient?
Toys appear to be out of the pram. Dummies are firmly on the ground.
If the army is used to drive tankers I trust the unions will at the very least be looking to see if they have a case to take the government to the European court of human rights, regardless if its toilet rolls or fuel, the government will still be guilty of interfering in a lawful industrial dispute. And if the government does decide to reduce the Army to scab labour the next time David Cameron criticises china, north Korea and other dictatorial countries about human rights I trust they will reply by pointing a finger at Cameron and simply say “Hypocrite”
Do you honestly think that a Tory Government gives two hoots what a Trade Union thinks?
What is the European Court of Human Rights going to do then? The strikers are striking and nobody is preventing them doing so. Doesn’t mean somebody else can’t do their job whilst they are striking.
So no human rights are being infringed and whilst one finger is being pointed to Cameron he may well wave two back.
So what are they striking about then if it got nothing to do with money
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no one has claimed that it has nothing to do with money!
what has been claimed (I thought it was fairly obvious) is that it is not about increasing their money but simply maintaining their present money, and conditions.
On here, page after page, thread after thread of drivers complaining that the job pays less and less, every time there is a contract changeover the profit margin is reduced leading to reductions in drivers wages and yet when some drivers do what all others complain never happens, other drivers complain about it!
What would you rather happen?
Should they rollover and accept the pay cuts, giving other hauliers the incentive to do the same or should they fight and give other drivers the same incentive.
Make no mistake, other large hauliers are watching with interest to see if the fuel companies can get away with it and if they do you can be certain that it won’t be long before someone else tries the same.
present pay rises (the few that there are) are almost all below the level of inflation leading in real terms to wage cuts, surely there is a time when you say “enough is enough”?
As for the tories caring what the trade unions say or do, they won’t …until the workers stand up for themselves en mass… then they will want to use the army and police to fight back.
They are already gearing up for this, in the latest gov’t policy on regional pay it is formulated that that all public sector workers, teachers doctors etc etc will ALL be affected by wage cuts… except the police!
So whilst the govt may in public claim to be not affected by unions they are certainly concerned about workers reactions and are prepared to treat the police as a special case in order to keep them on side.
I hope the tanker drivers get well and truly stuffed, because they helped MAGGIES govt to screw the miners by breaking their picket lines to deliver gas oil to power stations when the miners had the guts to stand up and be counted for 12 months. Was a case of I am all right jack
.There’s no way that anyone can tidy up an economy that’s been thrown down the tubes of massive trade deficits with cheap labour countries instead of paying it’s own workers enough to provide the spending power needed for continuous domestic economic growth and in which we don’t import stuff that we can provide for ourselves.
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