Janos:
drover:
what part is funny?Life assurance - 5 x your contractual pay
That you are worth more dead.
Dimlaith:
adam277:
toonsy:
Gotta be honest Tesco is quite possibly the easiest job I’ve had. Advertised pay looks bad but what you end up with quite nice, can guarantee a quarter of my time is sat around doing nothing and another quarter is waiting.I’ve done continental, nights out, general and this trumps the lot. Most of the time I just drop and swap trailers
That will be for 8.5hrs a day too.
I agree.
Also it’s more than doable to get 50k for a 50 hour week at Tesco.50k ? Not at the DC I work from on the new contract £12.399 ph basic for 42.5 hours. Time and half after that. Time and a quarter on weekends.
What about shift premiums■■?
lolipop:
drover:
what part is funny?£20996 inc o/t and shift payment etc etc plus working w/e thats whats funny, in the the words of John McEnroe you can not be serious.
You know what be really funny? If that 20k includes the 1k sign on bonus 
On a serious note I’m surprised tehy didn’t come up with a salary of £20996.99
drover:
Dimlaith:
adam277:
toonsy:
Gotta be honest Tesco is quite possibly the easiest job I’ve had. Advertised pay looks bad but what you end up with quite nice, can guarantee a quarter of my time is sat around doing nothing and another quarter is waiting.I’ve done continental, nights out, general and this trumps the lot. Most of the time I just drop and swap trailers
That will be for 8.5hrs a day too.
I agree.
Also it’s more than doable to get 50k for a 50 hour week at Tesco.50k ? Not at the DC I work from on the new contract £12.399 ph basic for 42.5 hours. Time and half after that. Time and a quarter on weekends.
What about shift premiums■■?
Extra 25% Saturday and Sunday 33% for night work. I do days so don’t see the 33%. At 12.399 basic you would have to o max your hours to get anywhere near 50k
Am I reading it right 17 days holiday rising to 18 that INCLUDES the 8-9 days statutory Bank Holidays that just about everybody gets 
robthedog:
drover:
what part is funny?3 premium shifts for that pittance or are you a joker that would work for that ?
" Annual Pay - £20,996 (Inc O/T and Shift Premium) "
That’s not funny at all! 
lolipop:
Am I reading it right 17 days holiday rising to 18 that INCLUDES the 8-9 days statutory Bank Holidays that just about everybody gets
But you’re off every bank holiday apart from good Friday on that patten.
Look at it another way… if you’re only doing three days a week, and you get 18 days, that’s six weeks annual leave over the year.
toonsy:
lolipop:
Am I reading it right 17 days holiday rising to 18 that INCLUDES the 8-9 days statutory Bank Holidays that just about everybody getsBut you’re off every bank holiday apart from good Friday on that patten.
Look at it another way… if you’re only doing three days a week, and you get 18 days, that’s six weeks annual leave over the year.
Only problem would be not affording to pay for a holiday on that salary 
Dimlaith:
drover:
Dimlaith:
50k ? Not at the DC I work from on the new contract £12.399 ph basic for 42.5 hours. Time and half after that. Time and a quarter on weekends.What about shift premiums■■?
Extra 25% Saturday and Sunday 33% for night work. I do days so don’t see the 33%. At 12.399 basic you would have to o max your hours to get anywhere near 50k
Not really.
I do an average of 50hrs a week (my last payslip was for 208hrs so 52hrs a week) and my top line was £3830ish (no bonus) times 13 pay dates over the year comes out at just shy of 50k. Chuck the bonuses on top and it comes out at around 53k.
But…
I do work Sunday to Thursday and start at 1am so I’m at premium for the bulk of my day and most of my shifts run into some overtime premium just by virtue of what they are. Some people baulk at 1am starts but I’m done by lunchtime on a long day and it suits my family life.
Have heard that some depots are more poop in terms of pay mind.
the old timer:
toonsy:
lolipop:
Am I reading it right 17 days holiday rising to 18 that INCLUDES the 8-9 days statutory Bank Holidays that just about everybody getsBut you’re off every bank holiday apart from good Friday on that patten.
Look at it another way… if you’re only doing three days a week, and you get 18 days, that’s six weeks annual leave over the year.
Only problem would be not affording to pay for a holiday on that salary
My guess is its aimed at people who don’t really want to work full time so either do other stuff during the week, look after kids etc etc
It works out at £15.83 an hour averaged out.
Not saying its the best by far, but i am saying its not as bad as is being made out by some and can almost guarantee that it won’t be difficult work.
I can’t speak for the Southampton depot then 
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I know quite a few people at an other depot taking home about £3100-3600 a month though.
toonsy:
Dimlaith:
drover:
Dimlaith:
50k ? Not at the DC I work from on the new contract £12.399 ph basic for 42.5 hours. Time and half after that. Time and a quarter on weekends.What about shift premiums■■?
Extra 25% Saturday and Sunday 33% for night work. I do days so don’t see the 33%. At 12.399 basic you would have to o max your hours to get anywhere near 50k
Not really.
I do an average of 50hrs a week (my last payslip was for 208hrs so 52hrs a week) and my top line was £3830ish (no bonus) times 13 pay dates over the year comes out at just shy of 50k. Chuck the bonuses on top and it comes out at around 53k.
But…
I do work Sunday to Thursday and start at 1am so I’m at premium for the bulk of my day and most of my shifts run into some overtime premium just by virtue of what they are. Some people baulk at 1am starts but I’m done by lunchtime on a long day and it suits my family life.
Have heard that some depots are more poop in terms of pay mind.
What is your basic hourly rate if you don’t mind me asking?
ScaniaUltimate:
Sinister:
“Should you be successful in your application, your offer will be subject to and conditional upon you providing your bank account details before your agreed start date.”
Of all the things to consider, this is the one they deem to be a potential deal breaker.
Imagine that, expecting to get paid for work already done from day wun…
Dimlaith:
What is your basic hourly rate if you don’t mind me asking?
Have sent you a PM
It is clearly all about the money then.
T&Cs improvements will have to wait, at least as far as full time vacancies and fresh new-start contracts are concerned.
Where’s the 4 on 4 off 12 hour shifts, with 26 days holiday per year with average days holiday paid at actual day’s average shift worked… So if you do 12 hours plus an extra hour on most days (legal) then you would get that for your holiday pay as well.
26 days NOT “reduced 20% because 4 is 20% less than 5”
Holidays clearly should be about hours worked, rather than shifts or weeks worked then.
Silly thing is, you can already get a close equivalent on agencies, as shown above by the posted payslip data but no one wants to be seen dead at an agency - right?
Shortage of agency staff - pushes agency rates up rather quicker than shortage of full time staff pushes up their rates. 
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Winseer:
It is clearly all about the money then.T&Cs improvements will have to wait, at least as far as full time vacancies and fresh new-start contracts are concerned.
Where’s the 4 on 4 off 12 hour shifts, with 26 days holiday per year with average days holiday paid at actual day’s average shift worked… So if you do 12 hours plus an extra hour on most days (legal) then you would get that for your holiday pay as well.
26 days NOT “reduced 20% because 4 is 20% less than 5”
Holidays clearly should be about hours worked, rather than shifts or weeks worked then.
Silly thing is, you can already get a close equivalent on agencies, as shown above by the posted payslip data but no one wants to be seen dead at an agency - right?
Shortage of agency staff - pushes agency rates up rather quicker than shortage of full time staff pushes up their rates.
Hey Winseer, I see you are off on another tangent.
Holidays ARE about hours worked. 5.6 weeks holiday is the entitlement (statutory), not a number of days.
You obviously haven’t read up on it, so I will help. The statutory minimum is 5.6 weeks (if you are on a five day week it is 28 days).
4 on 4 off you are working a lot less days. The most you are doing is 4 days in a week and some weeks that start with 4 off, you are only doing 3. However, hours are usually longer on 4 on 4 off. Your holidays well be less in number but higher paid.
Holiday pay is based on average earnings. You can work out a week’s pay or a day’s pay based on your average earnings. That is what you get paid, so it is based on hours worked. Overtime is included.
If you are putting the hours in on 4 on 4 off, it can pay just as well as any other work, including the holidays.
Hope that has put you right ‘tangent man’. Nothing personal old boy, if anyone else posted the utter diatribe you post I would say the same thing.
Dimlaith:
adam277:
toonsy:
Gotta be honest Tesco is quite possibly the easiest job I’ve had. Advertised pay looks bad but what you end up with quite nice, can guarantee a quarter of my time is sat around doing nothing and another quarter is waiting.I’ve done continental, nights out, general and this trumps the lot. Most of the time I just drop and swap trailers
That will be for 8.5hrs a day too.
I agree.
Also it’s more than doable to get 50k for a 50 hour week at Tesco.50k ? Not at the DC I work from on the new contract £12.399 ph basic for 42.5 hours. Time and half after that. Time and a quarter on weekends.
What DC is paying £12.39 ph??
Noremac:
Winseer:
It is clearly all about the money then.T&Cs improvements will have to wait, at least as far as full time vacancies and fresh new-start contracts are concerned.
Where’s the 4 on 4 off 12 hour shifts, with 26 days holiday per year with average days holiday paid at actual day’s average shift worked… So if you do 12 hours plus an extra hour on most days (legal) then you would get that for your holiday pay as well.
26 days NOT “reduced 20% because 4 is 20% less than 5”
Holidays clearly should be about hours worked, rather than shifts or weeks worked then.
Silly thing is, you can already get a close equivalent on agencies, as shown above by the posted payslip data but no one wants to be seen dead at an agency - right?
Shortage of agency staff - pushes agency rates up rather quicker than shortage of full time staff pushes up their rates.
Hey Winseer, I see you are off on another tangent.
Holidays ARE about hours worked. 5.6 weeks holiday is the entitlement (statutory), not a number of days.
You obviously haven’t read up on it, so I will help. The statutory minimum is 5.6 weeks (if you are on a five day week it is 28 days).
4 on 4 off you are working a lot less days. The most you are doing is 4 days in a week and some weeks that start with 4 off, you are only doing 3. However, hours are usually longer on 4 on 4 off. Your holidays well be less in number but higher paid.
Holiday pay is based on average earnings. You can work out a week’s pay or a day’s pay based on your average earnings. That is what you get paid, so it is based on hours worked. Overtime is included.
If you are putting the hours in on 4 on 4 off, it can pay just as well as any other work, including the holidays.
Hope that has put you right ‘tangent man’. Nothing personal old boy, if anyone else posted the utter diatribe you post I would say the same thing.
What I was getting at here is that if you have say, 5.6 weeks holiday based around a 5 day week, you’ll end up getting 28 days altogether, which includes the bank holidays. Base entitlement is supposedly 20 days plus the 6 bank holidays.
If you perform the same number of hours - but over FOUR shifts rather than five, then you should in theory get exactly the same number of DAYS holiday (28) rather than 5.6 weeks worth of four day weeks which works out at 22.4 days instead of 28… If you take the six bank holidays off 22.4 you’re only getting 16.4 base leave days per year, which sounds like a con, and below a legally entitled minimum for working a full time set of hours - surely?
Thus, you’re worse off if you see shorter working weeks defined as holiday in terms of “weeks” rather than “odd days”. Gettit?
If you have holiday defined in odd DAYS though - then you only need to spend say, 4 days taking an entire 4 day week of, and if you get 28 days holiday - that’s 7 weeks off per year not 5.6 weeks! See what I did there? Does the firm let you take leave as scattered 28 days when you can batch them together in weeks, or leave them all as odd days - as YOU wish, rather than as the firm decides. It’s YOUR holiday, after all.
I’m thinking that if the holiday part of the T&Cs is based on “weeks” rather than “days” - you’ll probably be better off on agency than taking a full time job on what might look like similar parity pay to agency, but unlike agency - you cannot decide when you feel like working, or not. “Holiday” as a directly employed person - is in days off paid where you actually have to take the day off that you’d normally be working. On agency, you’ll likely just stockpile accrued holiday into a pot @ 12.07% of gross earnings - which means you can take that money as and when you feel like it, and grab enough extra “days off” when reducing from a 5-6 to a 3-4 pattern to make sure you take sufficient statutory leave each reference period as well, without the risk being run of “running out of hours” which you’d run at many firms we’re not discussing here, because they still think drivers want to do 60-84 hour weeks…
This lockdown - gives us ALL the opportunity here to re-address our work/life balance.
Personally, I reckon we should all take a serious look at the flexibility now available around “build yourself a job” rather than put up with the age-old “any five from seven” which you all know I hate with a passion… You could even say I left full time and went agency to dodge that, but it has been a long hard road finding an agency that’ll actually do what it says on the tin, and just let me cherry pick the shifts I want, not take the ones I don’t, and no worries about being bullied into extra hours/jobs that’ll start stressing me out again, because I find things in my private life I cannot do, thanks to stupid O’clock shifts starts, for instance…
I don’t want to ever have to work start times between 22:00 and 04:00 again. I don’t get to decide that as a full timer, but a flexible agency - is a great opportunity to put oneself in a perfect spot, a “bespoke self-defined job” if you will. 
Noremac:
Winseer:
It is clearly all about the money then.T&Cs improvements will have to wait, at least as far as full time vacancies and fresh new-start contracts are concerned.
Where’s the 4 on 4 off 12 hour shifts, with 26 days holiday per year with average days holiday paid at actual day’s average shift worked… So if you do 12 hours plus an extra hour on most days (legal) then you would get that for your holiday pay as well.
26 days NOT “reduced 20% because 4 is 20% less than 5”
Holidays clearly should be about hours worked, rather than shifts or weeks worked then.
Silly thing is, you can already get a close equivalent on agencies, as shown above by the posted payslip data but no one wants to be seen dead at an agency - right?
Shortage of agency staff - pushes agency rates up rather quicker than shortage of full time staff pushes up their rates.
Hey Winseer, I see you are off on another tangent.
Holidays ARE about hours worked. 5.6 weeks holiday is the entitlement (statutory), not a number of days.
You obviously haven’t read up on it, so I will help. The statutory minimum is 5.6 weeks (if you are on a five day week it is 28 days).
4 on 4 off you are working a lot less days. The most you are doing is 4 days in a week and some weeks that start with 4 off, you are only doing 3. However, hours are usually longer on 4 on 4 off. Your holidays well be less in number but higher paid.
Holiday pay is based on average earnings. You can work out a week’s pay or a day’s pay based on your average earnings. That is what you get paid, so it is based on hours worked. Overtime is included.
If you are putting the hours in on 4 on 4 off, it can pay just as well as any other work, including the holidays.
Hope that has put you right ‘tangent man’. Nothing personal old boy, if anyone else posted the utter diatribe you post I would say the same thing.
I get what Winseer is saying.
The last and most (if not all) full time jobs I’ve worked paid my 5.6 weeks holidays at 8hr days @ contacted hourly rate.
The last agency jobs I’ve had paid 12.07% accrued holidays either hours, paid at an average of my previous earnings or 12.07% of my weekly pay (top line) which incidentally included all overtime and night out money.