davepenn54:
Well that’s 3 of us who know the area well and have a wealth of class 1 driving experience between us but there are always those who know better but have much less experience or knowledge and are sure we are wrong
I’ve set a challenge to ‘Fbb11’ let’s see if he take’s it up I doubt it somehow but we will we see. I’ll just make sure I’ve got the number of Stoneywood Recovery’s in my pocket if he ever does.
All the best Paul & Waynedl
Regards
Dave Penn;
I know the street view can be deceiving with the fish bowl lens. Just because you have a “wealth of class 1 experience” between you it doesn’t mean that you or I could do any manoeuvre different to each other.
I’m never up that far north, far to cold and you lot always ruin a good portion of chips by putting gravy all over it.
I’ll make a better deal Dave, if you can source an artic for me to do the turn in then I’ll drive up in my car one Sunday morning and if I succeed, you and Wayne split the fuel bill and buy me breakfast, if I fail, I’ll shake your hand and drive back down with my tail between my legs.
But if you want to put the order in now, I’ll have a full English and substitute the black pudding for an extra egg please.
@Fbb11, Now, now fella you haven’t read my post correctly have you The challenge was to spin a 45ft artic round there not to make the left turn, that is what you said you could do, the turn is possible under the right circumstances but is a very dangerous manouevre and driver’s with a wealth of experience like me, Paul, Waynedl and a lot of others on here would just go further up the road where you can turn round and approach it head on which is something I’ve done numerous times to load down that road.
Now I can arrange a 3 axle unit and 3 axle insulated 45ft trailer for you to perform the impossible. I know for a fact that you cannot spin that size of outfit round at that spot so I will also arrange for Stoneywood’s biggest recovery vehicle to be on site as well so you will have to have a big wedge of cash with you as they don’t give credit to chancer’s or knowall’s
Just a bit of inside info for you, coz I don’t want you to think I am being unfair but it was impossible to spin a short wheelbase 2 axle unit coupled up to 2 axle 40ft flat trailer at that spot without getting into problems whatever it looks like on ‘geekleview’
And as it seems you have only seen the spot on that medium I can only assume you have money to spare because it is going to be an expensive day out for you if not very embarrassing but you crack on matey I’ll make some money out of it methinks YBF, Utube and others.
BTW Also bring enough cash to cover all the Brekkies for the 25 staff from Goodall’s Transport who will be part of the audience, it should be a fun day
davepenn54: @Fbb11, Now, now fella you haven’t read my post correctly have you The challenge was to spin a 45ft artic round there not to make the left turn, that is what you said you could do, the turn is possible under the right circumstances but is a very dangerous manouvre and driver’s with a wealth of experience like me, Paul, Waynedl and a lot of others on here would just go further up the road where you can turn round and approach it head on which is something I’ve done numerous times to load down that road.
Now I can arrange a 3 axle unit and 3 axle insulated 45ft trailer for you to perform the impossible. I know for a fact that you cannot spin that size of outfit round at that spot so I will also arrange for Stoneywood’s biggest recovery vehicle to be on site as well so you will have to have a big wedge of cash with you as they don’t give credit to chancer’s or knowall’s
Just a bit of inside info for you, coz I don’t want you to think I am being unfair but it was impossible to spin a short wheelbase 2 axle unit coupled up to 2 axle 40ft flat trailer at that spot without getting into problems whatever it looks like on ‘geekleview’
And as it seems you have only seen the spot on that medium I can only assume you have money to spare because it is going to be an expensive day out for you if not very embarrassing but you crack on matey I’ll make some money out of it methinks YBF, Utube and others.
BTW Also bring enough cash to cover all the Brekkies for the 25 staff from Goodall’s Transport who will be part of the audience, it should be a fun day
Regards
Dave Penn;
Yes I’m talking about spinning it round not making the left turn. And for the record I would do the same and drive past it, turn around and come back down, Why make life hard for myself. I’m just saying basic physics will allow it
Your right I’ve never been on that road in my life but I’ve got a good eye and foresee what needs to be done before hand just like any other driver.
Tell the owner from Goodalls not to worry because I will bring my own suzies as not to stretch his ones.
And no cheating Dave, 6 legger unit, tri axle 45 with the 5th wheel in a close running position. I don’t want to turn up and you’ve got a 50ft mega trailer ready
FarnboroughBoy11:
I know the street view can be deceiving with the fish bowl lens. Just because you have a “wealth of class 1 experience” between you it doesn’t mean that you or I could do any manoeuvre different to each other.
Dave, if you can source an artic for me to do the turn in then I’ll drive up in my car one Sunday morning and if I succeed, you and Wayne split the fuel bill and buy me breakfast, if I fail, I’ll shake your hand and drive back down with my tail between my legs.
But if you want to put the order in now, I’ll have a full English and substitute the black pudding for an extra egg please.
Well while your up here you can also have a go at this one another graveyard for the “experts” This is almost indetical to the Wall Hill Road turn off the A62.
The location is Bury Road Rawtenstall as you can see here is someone else who thought they could ‘■■■■ it round’ The No Left Turn sign for HGV’s is a recent addition but does not stop some still trying it (with the usual end result)
FarnboroughBoy11:
I know the street view can be deceiving with the fish bowl lens. Just because you have a “wealth of class 1 experience” between you it doesn’t mean that you or I could do any manoeuvre different to each other.
Dave, if you can source an artic for me to do the turn in then I’ll drive up in my car one Sunday morning and if I succeed, you and Wayne split the fuel bill and buy me breakfast, if I fail, I’ll shake your hand and drive back down with my tail between my legs.
But if you want to put the order in now, I’ll have a full English and substitute the black pudding for an extra egg please.
Well while your up here you can also have a go at this one another graveyard for the “experts” This is almost indetical to the Wall Hill Road turn off the A62.
The location is Bury Road Rawtenstall as you can see here is someone else who thought they could ‘■■■■ it round’ The No Left Turn sign for HGV’s is a recent addition but does not stop some still trying it (with the usual end result)
@Fbb11, I don’t need to cheat Why would I do that when I can sit at the junction and watch someone make a complete fool of themselves. If you read my post correctly you might understand what I’ve already said but you seem to have some difficulty interpreting it. So just to clarify, you cannot spin a 50ft articulated outfit at that spot, 50ft equals 4x2 unit + tandem axle 40ft trl; now unless you bring your own road gang with you to alter the width of the road and build up the camber and dip at the top of Wall Hill Rd;
you are on a loser. Over to you trucker
FarnboroughBoy11:
I know the street view can be deceiving with the fish bowl lens. Just because you have a “wealth of class 1 experience” between you it doesn’t mean that you or I could do any manoeuvre different to each other.
Dave, if you can source an artic for me to do the turn in then I’ll drive up in my car one Sunday morning and if I succeed, you and Wayne split the fuel bill and buy me breakfast, if I fail, I’ll shake your hand and drive back down with my tail between my legs.
But if you want to put the order in now, I’ll have a full English and substitute the black pudding for an extra egg please.
Well while your up here you can also have a go at this one another graveyard for the “experts” This is almost indetical to the Wall Hill Road turn off the A62.
The location is Bury Road Rawtenstall as you can see here is someone else who thought they could ‘■■■■ it round’ The No Left Turn sign for HGV’s is a recent addition but does not stop some still trying it (with the usual end result)
Not a problem, I’ll get those 2 parked cars moved and I’ll do that one as well but only to turn left, no one could spin a trailer round there obviously. But since there is no left turn sign I will have to have special dispensation from the local authorities as I don’t want to break the law.
Also I never said I was an expert
And in that pic the Swain driver hasn’t even used all of the road, look at the position of the unit, he should be well straight by that point and his o/s (drivers side) tyre should be hugging that curb right at the start of the T-junction.
Dave the Renegade:
That wouldn’t be the TNUK Stansfield Paul ?
Fortunately no
Loaded with steel plate for the nearby K Steels on Holme Lane it turned out to be a long recovery. He had to drop the trailer and couple up again from the opposite side but with the weight the front of the trailer bent and a fork lift was called in to help raise it during coupling up. All this took around four hours causing traffic chaos during the evening rush. Now over to the experts could you do this turn?
Trust me, turns like the ones posted can’t be done, and as already hinted, with any weight on you run the risk of puncturing the tank and/or twisting the trailer . I learnt the hard way trying to screw one round near Penistone, I learnt more that day, than on any C+E / DCPC course, about trailer dynamics when the camber changes dramatically (can steel really bend that much without snapping?). The trailer does not behave normally, it pivots around the n/s/f wheel, and simply will not go forward, so what may be do-able on the flat, becomes impossible once the unit starts to go downhill and the trailer wheels are still on the road above.
The easiest way is to go past and find somewhere to turn round, even if that means travelling 10 miles up the road
If anyone had managed to get that Swains around the corner, they would have taken the house out opposite. Swain should have just reversed out, as soon as he felt any resistance from the post.
The Stobart was on a hiding to nothing as he had lost any drive before finishing turning
davepenn54: @Fbb11, I don’t need to cheat Why would I do that when I can sit at the junction and watch someone make a complete fool of themselves. If you read my post correctly you might understand what I’ve already said but you seem to have some difficulty interpreting it. So just to clarify, you cannot spin a 50ft articulated outfit at that spot, 50ft equals 4x2 unit + tandem axle 40ft trl; now unless you bring your own road gang with you to alter the width of the road and build up the camber and dip at the top of Wall Hill Rd;
you are on a loser. Over to you trucker
Regards
Dave Penn;
Im not having any difficulty reading your posts at all . Your saying physics wont allow a 45ft trailer to be spun around at that junction and im saying it can do. I think it could be done in a 6X2 or 4X2 unit. I will see when ive got a spare Sunday morning free.
OK @Fbb11, seeing as you have never been anywhere further North than wherever, for arguments sake let’s say Woking, I can only assume the confidence in your ability to defy physics is dependant on having done some kind of computer simulation using googlestreet view as was impressively illustrated by ‘Phantom Mark’ in an earlier post.
Anyway you are sounding more like ‘carryfast’ with every post and he is more than boring So you crack on matey stay down south where you belong yer plank
davepenn54:
OK @Fbb11, seeing as you have never been anywhere further North than wherever, for arguments sake let’s say Woking, I can only assume the confidence in your ability to defy physics is dependant on having done some kind of computer simulation using googlestreet view as was impressively illustrated by ‘Phantom Mark’ in an earlier post.
Anyway you are sounding more like ‘carryfast’ with every post and he is more than boring So you crack on matey stay down south where you belong yer plank
Kindest Regards
Dave Penn;
LOL!!! I didn’t say i haven’t been that far up north before, i have been and beyond. I said I’m never up that far north usually.
And no I’m not really any good at technology, I’m just saying from looking at the pictures that I think I can do it.
I don’t know why it’s really getting to you, so what. And I was hoping it wasn’t going to get personal but you seem to have lowered it to that now.
@Fbb11, it’s not getting to me at all It was you who said in all confidence that you knew you could spin a 60ft outfit round at that spot just by looking at the picture I and at least 4 others who actually know the area very well know it can’t be done but you seem unable to accept that. If a 50ft outfit can’t be spun there how do you expect to be able to do it in something that is a minimum 10ft longer with 2 extra axles
How do you think the posters who have said it can’t be done have got that knowledge to be confident about their forthright assertions ? It’s you it is getting to because you have set yourself up to do the impossible I know it can’t be done so do not have a problem with it and would never try it again but maybe you need to learn a few lessons to bring you down from your deluded thinking that you are the only one who has a good eye for weighing up the job. Inexperience usually comes out in arrogance and trying to show how much better you are than others and you seem to fit that criteria at the moment. So as I’ve already said crack on you are very boring, It can’t be done and I and others know that for a fact so it’s all up to you now.
Stoneywood Motors are the recovery operators you’ll be needing to contact when you need saving
davepenn54: @Fbb11, it’s not getting to me at all It was you who said in all confidence that you knew you could spin a 60ft outfit round at that spot just by looking at the picture I and at least 4 others who actually know the area very well know it can’t be done but you seem unable to accept that. If a 50ft outfit can’t be spun there how do you expect to be able to do it in something that is a minimum 10ft longer with 2 extra axles
How do you think the posters who have said it can’t be done have got that knowledge to be confident about their forthright assertions ? It’s you it is getting to because you have set yourself up to do the impossible I know it can’t be done so do not have a problem with it and would never try it again but maybe you need to learn a few lessons to bring you down from your deluded thinking that you are the only one who has a good eye for weighing up the job. Inexperience usually comes out in arrogance and trying to show how much better you are than others and you seem to fit that criteria at the moment. So as I’ve already said crack on you are very boring, It can’t be done and I and others know that for a fact so it’s all up to you now.
Stoneywood Motors are the recovery operators you’ll be needing to contact when you need saving
why get arsey dave? he says he can do it, you say he can’t, on the off chance it ever happened, dude who’s right eats free breakfast, have a chat, have a laugh, shake hands and go home
I feel a bit sorry for this Stobart driver - it’s looks like a panic manoeuvre to me. The driver may be inexperienced and when he realised the trouble he was in, just tried to force it round.
I remember many years ago having been given some dubious directions to some hangars on Fradley Park I turned right too early and ended up on Gorse Road or Lane? and came upon a hump-backed bridge. I knew it looked dodgy, but reversing out didn’t look too good either! So I went for it, and the trailer grounded - I panicked and just wellied it, dragging it over the bridge. Found the hangars eventually, and then had to call the break-down when the trailer lost all its air and refused to move - can’t imagine why… Inexperience, impatient road users and sheer panic can make you attempt stupid things.
Wouldn’t worry me now if I had to hold everyone up and back up for miles
I thought we were going to get a friendly manoeuvre-off there with Davepenn and Fbb, it would have been very interesting to see the results. I too looked at the photo and thought it looked do-able, but have been fooled by streetview too many times to put my money where my mouth is!
just what i was thinking…certainly touched a nerve.perhaps dave has come unstuck at this junction before,so when fb11 dared to suggest it could be done…he saw it as an attack on his ability
davepenn54: @Fbb11, it’s not getting to me at all It was you who said in all confidence that you knew you could spin a 60ft outfit round at that spot just by looking at the picture I and at least 4 others who actually know the area very well know it can’t be done but you seem unable to accept that. If a 50ft outfit can’t be spun there how do you expect to be able to do it in something that is a minimum 10ft longer with 2 extra axles
How do you think the posters who have said it can’t be done have got that knowledge to be confident about their forthright assertions ? It’s you it is getting to because you have set yourself up to do the impossible I know it can’t be done so do not have a problem with it and would never try it again but maybe you need to learn a few lessons to bring you down from your deluded thinking that you are the only one who has a good eye for weighing up the job. Inexperience usually comes out in arrogance and trying to show how much better you are than others and you seem to fit that criteria at the moment. So as I’ve already said crack on you are very boring, It can’t be done and I and others know that for a fact so it’s all up to you now.
Stoneywood Motors are the recovery operators you’ll be needing to contact when you need saving
Regards
Dave Penn;
so you speak from experence
I live just down the road from that junction and only have 40 yrs on benders but will put my pennies worth in.
Don’t even try it
google maps looks ok but in real life no way would i take or try an turn an artic there. would take a punt at going down there from OLDHAM direction but def not from the other direction.as for spinning it there …can i watch please cos that would be fun.
but have much less experience or knowledge and are sure we are wrong
I doubt it somehow but we will we see. I’ll just make sure I’ve got the number of Stoneywood Recovery’s in my pocket if he ever does.
The challenge was to spin a 45ft artic round there not to make the left turn, that is what you said you could do, the turn is possible under the right circumstances but is a very dangerous manouevre and driver’s with a wealth of experience like me, Paul, Waynedl and a lot of others on here would just go further up the road where you can turn round and approach it head on which is something I’ve done numerous times to load down that road.
. I learnt the hard way trying to screw one round near Penistone, I learnt more that day, than on any C+E / DCPC course, about trailer dynamics when the camber changes dramatically (can steel really bend that much without snapping?). The trailer does not behave normally, it pivots around the n/s/f wheel, and simply will not go forward, so what may be do-able on the flat, becomes impossible once the unit starts to go downhill and the trailer wheels are still on the road above.
. Your saying physics wont allow a 45ft trailer to be spun around at that junction and im saying it can do. I think it could be done in a 6X2 or 4X2 unit. I will see when ive got a spare Sunday morning free. 