Stobart drivers wanted. £38k

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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LIBERTY_GUY:
The £38k figure quoted if you read the small print, is based on being away internationally on 12 day runs and including allowances. Fine if you have absolutely zero home life… :open_mouth:

When you get back from one of those round trips then, how many days are you home before setting off again?

Surely the max working 5-6 applies over a fortnight, with the 12th day being the reduced weekly rest period in the middle…
If you get home, only to go back out again within 48 hours (the legal minimum), then it’s not the job for a married man… Or at least a man that wants to stay married. :open_mouth:

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dessy:

jobseeker:

yorkshire terrier:
Maybe so,but when you get told in the letter that your not “high enough calibre” these are the exact words used ,and then you see some of the clowns driving for them it makes me a little angry

That’s shocking and unprofessional, it’s one thing to say “you haven’t been successful in your application” and leave it at that, but to openly say that you’re not good enough for them that’s wrong. :open_mouth:

Why■■? Maybe his application was not to a great standard as regards overall? They could have not replied at all!!! :smiley:

If it’s an online application, then it’s hardly going to be rejected for being scruffy, or not using fancy paper on the CV or whatever…
In computer terms, having -1 points on your licence (to trump someone with “zero points!” :laughing: ) one should realise that -1 to a computer means “FALSE”… I can’t see anyone with a clean licence being trumped that way therefore. :smiley:
Then there’s the 45m travelling distance… This might be a health & safety thing, because if you are often doing 15 hour shifts, you don’t really want to be buggering about driving 90 minutes each way commuting on top of that. You’ll not get home before it’s time to go back to work again! :open_mouth:

“We used to go to work, half an hour before going to bed, work 25 hours down’t pit, and pay pit owner to employ uz”…

“You have not been successful” gets anyone and everyone out of actually having to explain which policy is being used to knock one back at the particular firm you might be applying for. It’s standard practice essentially. I’ve never heard of ANY employer actually knocking someone back - and giving an actual reason! :neutral_face:

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big boots:
sod living to work,i prefer working to live.ya cant take it with ya,there’s no rich men in the cemetary.

There’s no poor men either, 'cos they’re all cremated these days 'coz it’s cheaper than being buried, and paying out £4k a year for grave maintainance… :smiling_imp:

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Still we’ll under £10 ph INCLUDING bonus’ for days.

Talk about being blinded by an annual figure!!! :unamused:

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yorkshire terrier:
Is that in today’s paper??
I allways get knocked back when applying,latest time was last week so they must be after young blood they can mould to there way of thinking.
I’m 35 clean licence and 14 years experience of general haulage but apparently I’m not of “high enough calibre” for the stobart group… :open_mouth:

Absolute rubbish mate. I applied for a job with them after only passing my test 3 months previous and they offered me a job by telephone a few months later. I’d only done a few shifts as a Class 1 driver at the time, all for Stobart themselves by agency so I wasn’t exactly high calibre either. In fact, seeing as they gave me no help or training whatsoever I was just about one of the lowest calibre on the road.

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George@ASDA driver:
Still we’ll under £10 ph INCLUDING bonus’ for days.

Talk about being blinded by an annual figure!!! :unamused:

+1.

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Kerbdog:
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In the national newspapers stobbies have advertised jobs for their new steel contract with the international work going to be run out of Sittingbourne. Now anyone who has got problems with stobarts would in my opinion still have to think long and hard before dismissing that kind of wage for what seems to be very easy work.

Can anybody in the know actually post what the annual salary WITHOUT allowances and bonus’s please.
Then we can all make a fair comparison and judgement on how good/bad it REALLY is without it being disguised by night out money and meal allowance?!
Actually after just doing some maths, I reckon the day drivers job of £26k must be for a maxed out week when available of 3 x 15 and 3 x 13. They get around the wtd with POA. It also includes meal allowance, fuel bonus, etc etc etc.

The day TRAMPERS job is exactly 6k per year more which equates to 48 weeks doing 5 nights out a week at £25 per night out, then the other 4 weeks are annual leave.

So if this is correct, the actual taxable salary for a day driver is around £23k MAXIMUM and the rest is tax free allowances that you will probably get with any modern day employer.

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coreysboys:

Kerbdog:
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In the national newspapers stobbies have advertised jobs for their new steel contract with the international work going to be run out of Sittingbourne. Now anyone who has got problems with stobarts would in my opinion still have to think long and hard before dismissing that kind of wage for what seems to be very easy work.

Can anybody in the know actually post what the annual salary WITHOUT allowances and bonus’s please.
Then we can all make a fair comparison and judgement on how good/bad it REALLY is without it being disguised by night out money and meal allowance?!

All that will show is what we already know. It’s crap. I mean, Christ, it’s crap WITH bonus’s.
People will get blinded by them figures though.

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George@ASDA driver:

coreysboys:

Kerbdog:
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In the national newspapers stobbies have advertised jobs for their new steel contract with the international work going to be run out of Sittingbourne. Now anyone who has got problems with stobarts would in my opinion still have to think long and hard before dismissing that kind of wage for what seems to be very easy work.

Can anybody in the know actually post what the annual salary WITHOUT allowances and bonus’s please.
Then we can all make a fair comparison and judgement on how good/bad it REALLY is without it being disguised by night out money and meal allowance?!

All that will show is what we already know. It’s crap. I mean, Christ, it’s crap WITH bonus’s.
People will get blinded by them figures though.

Just added my own calculations to my OP

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Terry T:

yorkshire terrier:
Is that in today’s paper??
I allways get knocked back when applying,latest time was last week so they must be after young blood they can mould to there way of thinking.
I’m 35 clean licence and 14 years experience of general haulage but apparently I’m not of “high enough calibre” for the stobart group… :open_mouth:

Absolute rubbish mate. I applied for a job with them after only passing my test 3 months previous and they offered me a job by telephone a few months later. I’d only done a few shifts as a Class 1 driver at the time, all for Stobart themselves by agency so I wasn’t exactly high calibre either. In fact, seeing as they gave me no help or training whatsoever I was just about one of the lowest calibre on the road.

That is exactly what they said in the email telling me I had not got an interview!!!
Iv know lads with little or no experience get a phone call within a few days of applying,
I worked there before and was laid off on medical grounds after life threatening illness and was told to apply when I was fully recovered,which I have and 4 years down the line I can’t get a job with them.
If I had been an awkward sod when I worked there before I could understand it but I had good working relationship with planners never argued was never late or sick until I was struck down…my depot manager at the time wanted to keep me but because my doctor couldn’t give them a reasonable time scale when I’d return to full fitness after been off for a year the HR department paid me off.
That is how these big firms work but I enjoyed the job there and earned a good wage so I would of liked the chance to go back.

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Id imagine your medical history and that you took a pay off is more to do with it than your age or experience. You’re a higher risk to them.

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I wouldn’t get out of bed…blah…blah…blah.

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I remember applying to Morrisons a year back, and in my mind, I “was unsuccessful” despite clean licence, blah blah because in my mind (1) The pay was low enough that perhaps they don’t want malcontents that were expecting more working for them and (2) I told them I don’t want to aid and abet any WTD fiddles. Got shown the door of course. What else could it have been?

When one sees a headline rate of “£30k after 12 months” for ‘working nights’, then you’re not thinking 5-6-5-6 here, but something like 5x8 monday-friday, 4x10 sunday-wednesday or even 4x10 friday-monday. These last two would have been totally acceptable to someone like myself, because of the 4 day week aspect. I’m comfortable doing 10-12 hour shifts on a regular basis, but only like 15 hours on a casual rare basis - not every week, week in week out. 15,15,15,13,13,13 isn’t going to happen because you’re going to be driving with matchsticks holding your eyes open by week two, and it invoves some serious WTD fiddling to make it as full time job hours… Why lie about it if that’s what’s really on offer here? :confused:

It all comes back to the classic ‘Salaried’ over ‘Paid by the hour argument’ - if you’re paid by the hour, you want a high hourly rate. If you’re salaried, you want as few, short shifts per week as your regular hours as possible. 15,15,15,13,13,13 for sub-£10ph cuts it about as well as a feather duster through titanium plate. IF “good” drivers get knocked back in favour of the “six points ok” crowd, then it’s all about “who’s prepared to break the law, risk the lives of the public, and not even be rewarded for it by the firm for whom times will always be hard, even during, and right through an economic recovery”. I hope that this isn’t the case with a high-profile firm like Stobarts, but having never worked for them even on agency, I’ll have to defer to those in the know.

Sittingbourne is only 10 miles from where I live and all…I’d JUMP at the chance of £30k for a 4x10 rolling week - any nights will do me… I’m not fussy about working weekends, etc.
Is there any way outsiders looking in like myself can find out what the real score is here, rather than just chuck the speculation ball about? :question:

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I understand the guy told by Stobart ( not high enough calibre ) for a job application being miffed when you see the idiots they have working for them when you watch the odd TV show of stobart you find most are ex forces can’t think for themselves yes sir no sir and they train young guys up the same way they just want yes men so don’t be offended just feel lucky. Regarding new contract for Stobart at £38,000 all that glitters is not gold beware the ides of March

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George@ASDA driver:

coreysboys:

Kerbdog:
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In the national newspapers stobbies have advertised jobs for their new steel contract with the international work going to be run out of Sittingbourne. Now anyone who has got problems with stobarts would in my opinion still have to think long and hard before dismissing that kind of wage for what seems to be very easy work.

Can anybody in the know actually post what the annual salary WITHOUT allowances and bonus’s please.
Then we can all make a fair comparison and judgement on how good/bad it REALLY is without it being disguised by night out money and meal allowance?!

All that will show is what we already know. It’s crap. I mean, Christ, it’s crap WITH bonus’s.
People will get blinded by them figures though.

Why would it matter how the wage is made up if it’s a salary■■?

On euro work one would assume you will run out of drive time before working time directive kicked on anyway!

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. to Asda for a driving job ,back came the form a load of twaddle are you a team player? If you had issues with a fellow worker what would you do? And on it went Finally what is your hobby ? I follow Tranmere Rovers What does this tell you about you. I am a sad ■■■■■■■ Did not get the job after 45years on the road did not have the experience

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dexterboy:
. to Asda for a driving job ,back came the form a load of twaddle are you a team player? If you had issues with a fellow worker what would you do? And on it went Finally what is your hobby ? I follow Tranmere Rovers What does this tell you about you. I am a sad [zb] Did not get the job after 45years on the road did not have the experience

Possibly after 45 years on the road, you may have already had your best days.

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bald bloke:
Well I’m a day driver and I’m on more than what their day driver is on .

What are you on?

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I would have assumed that the Sittingbourne euro work would be with the biomass side, had an interview assessment for that but had a better offer from Morrisons.