Small vans - 62mph Why?

As far as I was aware, vehicles that were either over 7.5t, towing a trailer or restricted in their speed meant that they could not use the outside lane of a motorway for normal driving purposes.

The restriction part was bought in in 2000 to 2010 period as I recall the issue at work where some of the fleet were not restricted and therefore could use the outside lane of the motorway. The MAN 7t trucks in the company, year 2000, could quite happily do 80mph. I am sure they drank fuel at quite a rate but they were nippy. The company Iveco’s could only get to about 75mph… On the motorway, of course, downhill with a tail wind :smiley:

Saratoga:
As far as I was aware, vehicles that were either over 7.5t, towing a trailer or restricted in their speed meant that they could not use the outside lane of a motorway for normal driving purposes.

The restriction part was bought in in 2000 to 2010 period as I recall the issue at work where some of the fleet were not restricted and therefore could use the outside lane of the motorway. The MAN 7t trucks in the company, year 2000, could quite happily do 80mph. I am sure they drank fuel at quite a rate but they were nippy. The company Iveco’s could only get to about 75mph… On the motorway, of course, downhill with a tail wind :smiley:

so, what part of your post is relevant to a speed restricted van?

you have clearly stated that you were referring to a 7.5 tonner and the OP is referring to a van

Wheel Nut:

shuttlespanker:

Saratoga:
If it’s restricted it can’t go in the outside lane of the motorway, unrestricted it can.

as asked on another thread, can you show me the LAW that covers this please?

It was written on the bog door in Scratchwood services :stuck_out_tongue:

I cannot find any legislation saying this, but there have been several proposals and consultations.

businesslink.gov.uk/Transpor … ations.pdf

And then you get this: :confused:

Notice the first of my highlights, it says fitted with a limiter AND not able to reach 60mph.

I think the work AND is very important in that answer.

askthe.police.uk/content/Q590.htm

ajt:

DanT_Sxi:
Its annoying to be sat at 62mph but company rules. And also saving fuel and enviroment.
Does get annoying on moterways but i just live with it

Don’t get drawn into the ‘‘E’’ word mate. Saving the environment is just BS originally started from the EU which is code for ‘‘happy tax’’.

Lol i know myself but just play by the rules in what to say if asked lol

shuttlespanker:

Saratoga:
If it’s restricted it can’t go in the outside lane of the motorway, unrestricted it can.

as asked on another thread, can you show me the LAW that covers this please?

Limeyphil seems to think so too in this thread

Gov.UK Highway Code

UK Highway Code:
265

The right-hand lane of a motorway with three or more lanes MUST NOT be used (except in prescribed circumstances) if you are driving

any vehicle drawing a trailer

a goods vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter

a goods vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes

a passenger vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver

a passenger vehicle with a maximum laden weight not exceeding 7.5 tonnes which is constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter.

Laws MT(E&W)R reg 12, MT(E&W)AR (2004), MT(S)R reg 11 & MT(S)AR (2004)

VOSA 2005 Press Release on Speed Limiters

VOSA 2005 Press Release:
18-01-05 New requirements for Road Speed Limiters

In February 1992 Council Directive 62/6/EEC was issued which required certain categories of vehicle to be fitted with Road Speed Limiters. This was followed by Council Directive 92/24/EEC which set out, in the annex, the technical specifications for such limiters. These directives were then incorporated into UK legislation by amending Regulation 36 of the Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations 1986 by inserting sections 36A, 36B and 36C. (SI 3048/1993)

In November 2002 the European Parliament and Council issued Directive 2002/85/EC which amended the original Directive 92/6/EEC to extend the range of vehicles to which the Directive applies. The Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations 1986 have now been amended (SI 2102/2004) to incorporate these new requirements which came into effect as of the 1st January 2005.

New Requirements

New vehicles

Goods vehicles over 3,5t (gross design weight), and Passenger vehicles (irrespective of weight) with more than 8 passenger seats, first registered after 1 January 2005 are now required to be fitted with speed limiters.

However, for Goods vehicles (over 3.5t but n/e 7.5t) and Passenger vehicles (with over 8 passenger seats and a design weight n/e 5.0t) used solely within the UK this requirement is deferred to 1 January 2008.

Retro-fit to existing vehicles

There are retro-fit requirements that will apply to Goods (over 3.5t GDW) and Passenger vehicles (over 8 passenger seats - irrespective of weight) that were first registered between 1 October 2001 and 31 December 2004 (inclusive).

Vehicles caught by these requirements will need to be fitted with speed limiters with effect for 1 January 2006, unless the vehicle is being used solely within the UK, in which case the requirement will come into effect on 1 January 2007.

Changes to vehicles already fitted with speed limiters.

There are two categories of vehicles that are currently required to have speed limiters fitted by UK domestic regulations, which will need to have the set speed of the systems changed. These vehicles are;

Goods vehicles (with a gross design weight over 7.5t but n/e 12.0t, first registered between 1 October 2001 and 31 October 2004) which will need to have the speed limiters reset so the current maximum set speed of 60 mph will be replaced by a reduced setting that will ensure the stabilised speed cannot exceed 90kph.

and

Passenger vehicles (with more than 8 passenger seats and a design weight over 7.5t and n/e 10.0t) which will need to have the speed limiters reset so the current set speed of 100kph will need to be reduced to a setting that will ensure that the maximum stabilised speed will not exceeding 100kph.

There are also separate provisions that apply to Passenger vehicles with over 8 passenger seats and a design weight over 10.0t gross that are already fitted with a speed limiter set at 100kph. These vehicles will not be required to have the speed limiters reset and will be able to continue with systems set at 100kph.

Speed Limiters - New Regulations

VOSA Speed Limiters PDF

It doesn’t say what happens with vehicles from before October 2001 but as far as I’m aware they stay the same. If they don’t have limiters, they’re not restricted from the outside lane.

Unless anyone else can point me right?

All these outside lane restriction only seem to affect vehicles over 3.5 tonnes or one that is limit to less than 60mph.
Nothing that would effect a small van limited to 62mph.

All I could find was this but its not law - I might find out where they got it from next week

transportsfriend.org/road/rsl.html

If a vehicle has, or is required to have, a speed limiter fitted and working, then it is not permitted to use the outside lane of a three or more lane motorway

Wheel Nut:
Notice the first of my highlights, it says fitted with a limiter AND not able to reach 60mph.

So a van with a speed limiter is fine as long as it is set higher than 60mph.

My step son’s Series 2A Land Rover, on the other hand, isn’t allowed in lane 3 because the only way it would get to 60 is if it went over the edge of a cliff…

Paul

ROG:
All I could find was this but its not law - I might find out where they got it from next week

transportsfriend.org/road/rsl.html

If a vehicle has, or is required to have, a speed limiter fitted and working, then it is not permitted to use the outside lane of a three or more lane motorway

That page quite clearly states that the regulations in question only apply to vehicles over 3.5t MGW though, not the small vans this thread started off talking about.

Paul

I drive a works van that is limited to 62mph and it does my head in. On for example the A14 I’ll have a row of lorries to overtake all bumper to bumper, more often than not by the time I get past the first or second one somebody in a car has come screaming up behind me at 80mph+ and I’m sat there chugging along trying to overtake the trucks still.

All of our routes are planned down to the minute so if they know that we can only travel at 62mph the planner can plan routes better, well that’s the idea, does’nt ever seem to work too well. We also go out with three quarters of a tank to save weight but a few guys have ran out of fuel whilst on route. Another brilliant idea from the powers that be

Wheel Nut:
I cannot find any legislation saying this, but there have been several proposals and consultations.

businesslink.gov.uk/Transpor … ations.pdf

And then you get this: :confused:

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Notice the first of my highlights, it says fitted with a limiter AND not able to reach 60mph.

I think the work AND is very important in that answer.

askthe.police.uk/content/Q590.htm

The bit regarding 60mph refers to passenger vehicles, not goods.

I’m pretty sure a van or most things driven on a B license arnt going to be restricted on motorways to what lane they can and can’t use, unless special circumstances/restrcitions apply. I’m pretty sure I could drive a robin reliant at 50mph in the right hand lane without being prosecuted (might get the odd friendly wave from fellow motorists!).

All these “yeah buts” and this rule apples and that rule applies, your standard commercial van not exceeding 3.5t isn’t going to be restricted from using the right hand lane regardless of a speed limiter or not.

:smiley:

OK, so vans below 3.5t don’t need a limiter, BUT. IF IT IS FITTED then you can’t use the outside lane…

Saratoga:
OK, so vans below 3.5t don’t need a limiter, BUT. IF IT IS FITTED then you can’t use the outside lane…

There has still not been anything posted on this thread (or anywhere else that I am aware of) that confirms this, so for the time being at least I’m going to stick to my belief that it is wrong.

Paul

repton:

Wheel Nut:
Notice the first of my highlights, it says fitted with a limiter AND not able to reach 60mph.

So a van with a speed limiter is fine as long as it is set higher than 60mph.

My step son’s Series 2A Land Rover, on the other hand, isn’t allowed in lane 3 because the only way it would get to 60 is if it went over the edge of a cliff…

Paul

That brings up a different argument though Paul, because in Britain there are no minimum speed limits on motorways :wink: :wink:

Again Section Three of the Road Traffic Act could be used; Driving without Due Consideration.

Going back to the original, that misleading picture was taken from a random police FAQ site. Not law and not even correct in several places. It was however picked up by Limeyphil and Roger and utilised

Melchett:

Wheel Nut:
I cannot find any legislation saying this, but there have been several proposals and consultations.

businesslink.gov.uk/Transpor … ations.pdf

And then you get this: :confused:

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Notice the first of my highlights, it says fitted with a limiter AND not able to reach 60mph.

I think the work AND is very important in that answer.

askthe.police.uk/content/Q590.htm

The bit regarding 60mph refers to passenger vehicles, not goods.

a goods vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter and a goods vehicle which (among other things) cannot travel over 60mph

It specifically says Goods Vehicles fitted with a limiter AND not able to reach 60mph. Read it again

It specifically says Goods Vehicles fitted with a limiter AND not able to reach 60mph. Read it again

Apologies… it does indeed say that.

It would be interesting to know where they got that from as all current .Gov sites don’t include this snippet?

Wheel Nut:

repton:

Wheel Nut:
Notice the first of my highlights, it says fitted with a limiter AND not able to reach 60mph.

So a van with a speed limiter is fine as long as it is set higher than 60mph.

My step son’s Series 2A Land Rover, on the other hand, isn’t allowed in lane 3 because the only way it would get to 60 is if it went over the edge of a cliff…

Paul

That brings up a different argument though Paul, because in Britain there are no minimum speed limits on motorways :wink: :wink:

Again Section Three of the Road Traffic Act could be used; Driving without Due Consideration.

Going back to the original, that misleading picture was taken from a random police FAQ site. Not law and not even correct in several places. It was however picked up by Limeyphil and Roger and utilised

this may or may not be true, but, you can still be prosecuted for driving too slow on a motorway :wink:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7171154.stm

This is my 2 pence worth on this

It say is the construction of use regulations that a goods vehicles with a GVW of between 3500kg and 7500kg as to have a speed limiter, and as to be sat at 90kph, so we no that to be true

A van under 3500kg don’t have to have them fitted, it a environmental, fuel saving, insurance reducing, green company policy.

and that why its 62 mph ( because it the company that choose to fit and set the speed of the limiter not the Law ) and not 56 mph and that’s why the van can go in the fast lane and over take.

On an other note, i have seen a van and its a van but its got a limiter sticker( my speed is limited to 56 miles per hours) on it because it 6500kg GVW you need a C1 to drive it and it can’t go in the fast lane.

Ironically the van’s which I’ve seen the most of are Speedy Hire Transit Connects :laughing: