Short term in Canada?

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS EX-PAT BRITISH TRUCKERS (INTERACTIVE)
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mickfly:

KGB:

If they did (have you sitting waiting), should you expect to be paid for it, or ■■■■ it up?

Just find a company that pays waiting time (I did ) and move on :wink:

I’m alright Jack, eh? :wink:

I was thinking about this comment from Mickfly while I was lying in bed for a couple of hours after SWMBO got up again.

I think it illustrates very well where the difference between winners and whiners lies.

The Canadian way would be to say, “Wow, smart move, well done!” The next thought would be: Would this work for me too?

The whiner way is to stamp your foot and complain because it isn’t fair and if I can’t have it I’m going to do my best to make sure you can’t either.
Anybody that makes a good move is “alright Jack” What a pathetic, loser attitude.

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mickfly:

Brentanna:
Not all trucking jobs are paid per mile. Alot are done on hourly, doesnt mean that you have to stick to that job you can use it to get here and start applying elsewhere starting as soon as you arrive.

By the way the front licence plate on my truck was: ( Kitten to ■■■■■ in 3 seconds ) very accurate

Can I, as a non Canadian get an LMO and a Temp Work Permit for an hourly paid trucking job in Canada?

You get an LMO for OTR truck driving. How you get paid is up to the company AFAIAA so could be hourly paid if the company was willing to hire on those terms.

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mickfly:

Brentanna:
Not all trucking jobs are paid per mile. Alot are done on hourly, doesnt mean that you have to stick to that job you can use it to get here and start applying elsewhere starting as soon as you arrive.

By the way the front licence plate on my truck was: ( Kitten to ■■■■■ in 3 seconds ) very accurate

Can I, as a non Canadian get an LMO and a Temp Work Permit for an hourly paid trucking job in Canada?

edit: This question is aimed at Brentanna who can get the facts, not to anyone who says 'AFAIAA;, that’s not a fact it’s an assumption.

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mickfly:

mickfly:

Brentanna:
Not all trucking jobs are paid per mile. Alot are done on hourly, doesnt mean that you have to stick to that job you can use it to get here and start applying elsewhere starting as soon as you arrive.

By the way the front licence plate on my truck was: ( Kitten to ■■■■■ in 3 seconds ) very accurate

Can I, as a non Canadian get an LMO and a Temp Work Permit for an hourly paid trucking job in Canada?

edit: This question is aimed at Brentanna who can get the facts, not to anyone who says 'AFAIAA;, that’s not a fact it’s an assumption.

Oh, I didn’t realise there was a rule that only one person could reply to a post on a public forum. I thought that was what the PM facility was for.
Never mind eh, gives you something else to complain about. I thought you were ignoring me anyway? FAILED! :laughing: :laughing:

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Yes you can provided the employer obtains a positive LMO, and you obtain a copy of the postive LMO to submit with your application for your Work permit. Can be done at any regional immigration office. Alot of trucking companies in Alberta do it that way for regional field work.

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Brentanna:
Yes you can provided the employer obtains a positive LMO, and you obtain a copy of the postive LMO to submit with your application for your Work permit. Can be done at any regional immigration office. Alot of trucking companies in Alberta do it that way for regional field work.

See Mick, I was right :exclamation: :sunglasses: :sunglasses: :sunglasses:

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Brentanna:
Yes you can provided the employer obtains a positive LMO, and you obtain a copy of the postive LMO to submit with your application for your Work permit. Can be done at any regional immigration office. Alot of trucking companies in Alberta do it that way for regional field work.

Hourly paid as part of the PNP scheme, not just as a temp worker?
I know that the PNP scheme means you are only a tfw until you get PR, but isn’t the only truck driving catagory for PNP long haul OTR, and if so do you know any companies that pay hourly for that catagory?

By regional field work, do you mean harvesting/farming?

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By regional field work, do you mean harvesting/farming?

No oilfield services, bulk cement, balk acid trucks frac trucks ect. Its over the road regional, the pay isnt bad and you are home every night almost. It is hourly pay plus job bonuses. They do use term on a seasonal basis due to road bans.

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Brentanna:

By regional field work, do you mean harvesting/farming?

No oilfield services, bulk cement, balk acid trucks frac trucks ect. Its over the road regional, the pay isnt bad and you are home every night almost. It is hourly pay plus job bonuses. They do use term on a seasonal basis due to road bans.

Hourly paid as part of the PNP scheme, not just as a temp, or regional worker?
I know that the PNP scheme means you are only a tfw until you get PR, but isn’t the only truck driving catagory for PNP long haul OTR, and if so do you know any companies that pay hourly for that catagory?

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wire:

Think you need to get checked out Mark, the problem companies have is ripping the drivers off by not paying them for sitting when, as you have already stated, the rates are normally higher so why aren’t they paying the driver. So maybe the problem isn’t finding good quality drivers but more mugs to rip off

Well phrase the point however you like. The fact is still that they can sit imigrants all day for free so they have an advantage over the reputable companies who don’t have that option hence they are profiting by recruiting from abroad at the expense of the their own drivers.

On very thin ice with the above statements, you drive reefer and spend long periods sitting :bulb: Do you get paid for sitting :question: If not does your company belong to the category that are taking advantage and undercutting reputable companies :bulb:
There is only one thing worse than sitting without pay, having to drive day and night to make up for it :exclamation: :unamused: :wink:

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isn’t the only truck driving catagory for PNP long haul OTR

No oilfield service is also in PNP it is regional, hourly, Sanjel is one that is always looking for drivers, Haliburton is another. Oilfield is log book exempt.
It would be listed as trades optional section of the PNP

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Brentanna:

isn’t the only truck driving catagory for PNP long haul OTR

No oilfield service is also in PNP it is regional, hourly, Sanjel is one that is always looking for drivers, Haliburton is another. Oilfield is log book exempt.
It would be listed as trades optional section of the PNP

Thanks for the info.

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On very thin ice with the above statements, you drive reefer and spend long periods sitting Do you get paid for sitting If not does your company belong to the category that are taking advantage and undercutting reputable companies
There is only one thing worse than sitting without pay, having to drive day and night to make up for it

I thank you for your concern but I am extremely happy with my working conditions. In fact I most probably relish my job more than anyone else on this whole forum. Whats more, if I was unhappy I could use my good work reputation and clean driving/DOT record to get a job somewhere else with no problem. Nobody forces me to do anything I don’t want to do or has any hold over me whatsoever.
It is true that i work very hard and my type of work would not suit everyone but i get well rewarded and treated with the utmost respect. If that was not the case i would simply move on.

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wire:

On very thin ice with the above statements, you drive reefer and spend long periods sitting Do you get paid for sitting If not does your company belong to the category that are taking advantage and undercutting reputable companies
There is only one thing worse than sitting without pay, having to drive day and night to make up for it

I thank you for your concern but I am extremely happy with my working conditions. In fact I most probably relish my job more than anyone else on this whole forum. Whats more, if I was unhappy I could use my good work reputation and clean driving/DOT record to get a job somewhere else with no problem. Nobody forces me to do anything I don’t want to do or has any hold over me whatsoever.
It is true that i work very hard and my type of work would not suit everyone but i get well rewarded and treated with the utmost respect. If that was not the case i would simply move on.

:laughing: :laughing: you were the one having a pop at the companies not paying waiting time at the expense of reputable companies :open_mouth: so do you or dont you get paid waiting time :question:
What makes one man happy wont cut it with others and one mans wage is pocket change for another but that was not the discussion. No one doubts you are happy doing what you do, personally I wouldn’t touch a job like that but that is my personal opinion but to make statements like you have about companies not paying and its to the detriment of reputable companies leaves you wide open when you know as well as I do that what your company expects is to the detriment of the whole transport industry :exclamation: :exclamation:

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If we can get waiting time from customers it is passed onto me directly. If we can’t thats tough but i can live with that. I have had as much as $200.00 before for a days waiting but many times i get a lot less or even none unless i am waiting for 24 hours then i get a small layover payment.
We often work for Maple leaf and it can take a few hours to get loaded but they will pay nothing because most of reefer companies in Manitoba compete hard to get freight from them so they take the attitude that they don’t need to. The guys who i have spoken to from other companies always seem to be on a similar basis to me except perhaps my milage pay is higher than most and also paid off my odometer.

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wire:
If we can get waiting time from customers it is passed onto me directly. If we can’t thats tough but i can live with that. I have had as much as $200.00 before for a days waiting but many times i get a lot less or even none unless i am waiting for 24 hours then i get a small layover payment.
We often work for Maple leaf and it can take a few hours to get loaded but they will pay nothing because most of reefer companies in Manitoba compete hard to get freight from them so they take the attitude that they don’t need to. The guys who i have spoken to from other companies always seem to be on a similar basis to me except perhaps my milage pay is higher than most and also paid off my odometer.

“If we can get waiting time from customers it is passed onto me directly.”

How do you know if they pay?
If I was an unscrupulous employer I would say… “the customer don’t pay buddy, so, ■■■■ it up!!”

As much as $200 for a days waiting?

I would rather be driving flat out and earning more. And if your colleague was driving flat out every day whilst you were sitting about getting the occasional payment, what would you do?

Maybe my problem is that I hate sitting about as it does my head in over here and I get paid for it!

If companies like H&R don’t pay ANY detention pay at maple leaf, and yours doesn’t pay waiting time at maple leaf, then the only way for another reefer company to compete is not to pay their drivers detention pay either, or pay a lower mileage rate. Just because it’s the way it is doesn’t make it right, and the loser is the driver, not the company, as in H&R’s case with trucks leased by the mile, and drivers only paid by the mile, it’s no big deal if you sit at the kill plant, Camp Cargill, High River (for instance) for days without pay, as it costs them little, and they can have a driver on a load immediately it’s ready, unlike the reputable firms who are working their drivers properly, and paying them.

So long as you accept no detention/layover pay on a regular basis nothing will change, and it has to start somewhere, even if it’s just bringing it to peoples attention on a forum.

Like many others you said if you weren’t happy, you would walk, which is exactly my sentiment (if you can’t change anything, and you seldom can), BUT I would warn families who are giving up EVERYTHING in the UK to join these companies at the other side of the world. You and many others would leave and say “I’m all right Jack”

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mickfly:
~ Yak yak yakety yak…~
You and many others would leave and say “I’m all right Jack”

Can anyone else hear violins? :question:

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Strange how some people can make the effort to post a worthless contribution to any discussion, instead of just keeping their noses out of something they have no experience of.
I don’t mind anyone disagreeing with me, but pathetic, schoolyard snipes are really an imature way of wasting everyones time in forums.

If anyone is bored by my posts or prefers to act like a childish bully, just ignore my posts and I may even go away of my own accord.

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mickfly:
Strange how some people can make the effort to post a worthless contribution to any discussion, instead of just keeping their noses out of something they have no experience of.
I don’t mind anyone disagreeing with me, but pathetic, schoolyard snipes are really an imature way of wasting everyones time in forums.

If anyone is bored by my posts or prefers to act like a childish bully, just ignore my posts and I may even go away of my own accord.

I consider it my civic duty to try to balance your ill tempered vitriol aimed at spoiling other peoples’ dreams of making a better life for themselves.

Yes there are some crap companies, but there are some crap recruits too who blame anyone but themselves for their own shortcomings.
By needling them here, they show their true colours and readers researching a possible move can make their own judgements on what causes them to ■■■■■ and whine continually.

I’d rather you stay actually, you make my self imposed task easier. :stuck_out_tongue:

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wire:
If we can get waiting time from customers it is passed onto me directly. If we can’t thats tough but i can live with that. I have had as much as $200.00 before for a days waiting but many times i get a lot less or even none unless i am waiting for 24 hours then i get a small layover payment.
We often work for Maple leaf and it can take a few hours to get loaded but they will pay nothing because most of reefer companies in Manitoba compete hard to get freight from them so they take the attitude that they don’t need to. The guys who i have spoken to from other companies always seem to be on a similar basis to me except perhaps my milage pay is higher than most and also paid off my odometer.

Ok maybe I am missing something and I am sure you will put me right if I am but here is how I see your job.
You regularly sit for a couple of days at a time for a “small layover payment”, often takes hours (often half a day min) to load/unload that you don’t know if you will get paid for or not (very seldom I would think), run most trips ilegally because the customer that kept you waiting still wants the load there on time, run the back roads to avoid the scales and because you cant use toll roads and take short cuts away from the interstate system that reduce your miles driven (even though you get paid hub miles) and take longer :unamused:
No wonder your boss treats you with respect :laughing: