Although i mostly agree with Big Jon’s Dad i still think that H&R, etc are doing are having a detrimental overall effect on both the reputation of immigrant drivers and the whole emigrating to Canada scenario. More critically they are also causing heartache and pain to UK individuals and families many of which would not have ultimately proved suitable perhaps but also many who would.
For this reason i strongly feel that they should be much more rigorously controlled or preferably stopped from recruiting abroad at all.
Maybe, Wire, but only in part. Like any company, they hire someone on the strength of the CV. That does not always bear out the character of the applicant. Remember the VDB thread on the UK forum? The drivers that went there merely assumed they could hack the 3 weeks away and most couldn’t, despite people like me, who have been away several weeks and know the score, telling them how it is. Yet they have gone back to the UK and slagged VDB off all over the place.
Now I have knowledge of VDB, and I know there was much crap spouted. The story is often the same for those that come here. And it is often the firms that get the brunt of the flak which seems a little unfair. BFS are the only company that I worked for which immigrated drivers, so they are the only ones I have first hand knowledge of. Micks problems at H&R were identical to many who were at BFS… short miles, mistakes in payroll, etc… Now in BFS case, these problems were frequently created because the driver, me included, did not keep their heads below the parapet. The firms can scarcely be blamed for getting ■■■■■■ at drivers who bitched and moaned, or who (like me) did not keep their opinions to themselves. Looking back, I think my suggestion that Eric was getting… erm… favours from his “assistant” may have been the death knell for me at BFS.
But I saw drivers come through the door with absolutely no intention of staying, and no experience of long haul. It is little wonder the firms are dubious, is it?
Now, back to topic… Short term working in Canada… yes or no?
dave_lol66:
Please explain why robbie is allowed to post insults at us as a group without interfering moderation yet one honest and truthful comment gets a post removed
Hi Dave,
Sorry I missed your post. 
I’d not noticed that Robbie had done anything like that, so thanks for saying so.
I’ll keep an eye out, but we can’t read every single post.
The report button is your friend, cos it brings stuff to our attention very quickly and it’s confidential. 
Big Jon’s dad:
mickfly:
Big Jon’s dad:
mickfly:
I was even told by the boss of the company to, and I really do quote his exact words… “■■■■ it up Mikey boy, it’s the Canadian way” when I was given 4 days to drive 600 miles.Shouldn’t the Canadian gov’t or YOU Canadian drivers be doing something to stop the constant turn around of Brits/Dutch/Belgian/German drivers
I wonder what was said prior to the bosses retort, eh?
It is not in the interest of either the Canadian Government, or the other drivers to bend over to help economic migrants. It is in their interest to keep the highest quality migrants and get rid of the rest. Sorting the wheat from the chaff. There is no requirement for more riff raff, we have enough of our own home grown variety. The crap companies do a fine job of testing out how resiliant adaptable and resourceful the TFWs are. Those that can adapt, and overcome the difficulties, stay, the others who were less flexible leave and Canada is better off without them. It isn’t a perfect system but so long as there is a renewable source of TFWs it is sustainable.
“I wonder what was said prior to the bosses retort, eh?”
It doesn’t matter what was said, you have already decided that you know all about the TFW situation in Canada!
It doesn’t matter what was said
I suspect it may matter quite a lot from the general tone of your other posts.
You sure you need that big a shovel?
I don’t need a shovel. I asked the boss why, when they were desperate for USA capable drivers I was being sent on trips back and forth through the rockies at stupid times of the day and night with obviously lower earnings. His answer was “■■■■ it up Mikey boy, it’s the Canadian way”
As someone who has never driven long haul (big johns dad) I might explain to you that 600 miles through the rockies takes 13 hours wheras 600 miles on the I15 in the USA takes 10 hours…so…less money ias made in Canada (and at less cents per mile).
As a none truck driving, Canada loving, UK hating , may I suggest that you ■■■■ off to a forum where someone values your opinion!
Please leave out the personal stuff, cos it make no difference to the point you’ve made. It’s also against forum rule #3. dd.
wire:
Drive two days on wide open roads in a very spacious comfortable truck, then do one delivery, and park overnight at great truck stops (in the US, not the Canadian sheetholes). Re-load and drive for a few more days without touching the load, then probably another single drop, etc etc.
The easiest job I ever had!
I can tell that your Canada/US career didn’t take in too many winters over here.
I ran the worst winter that they had had in Alberta for 30 years, didn’t like being slowed down a little, but it didn’t bother me, and at least I got some sun in Cali/Arizona.
Don’t waste your time with trying to find me excuses for packing in at H&R.
Wife never complained, never too hot/cold, plenty to eat, stayed clean, slept well, driving on ice/snow no problem, great friends, BUT the company did not pay when I was available, and willing to work!
wire:
Although i mostly agree with Big Jon’s Dad i still think that H&R, etc are doing are having a detrimental overall effect on both the reputation of immigrant drivers and the whole emigrating to Canada scenario. More critically they are also causing heartache and pain to UK individuals and families many of which would not have ultimately proved suitable perhaps but also many who would.
For this reason i strongly feel that they should be much more rigorously controlled or preferably stopped from recruiting abroad at all.
H&R were apparently feature on the UK news (in Yorkshire ) the other night t their great detriment.
Mick, you raise another point there, at my place we also get paid an extra $50 for crossing the Rockies, as you say, you can’t get as many miles in per hour, so the $50 makes up for it, that’s worlds away from the H&R and BFS way of doing things, that’s why the whole experience is a pleasurable one, both are businesses trying to make money, one lot believe in treating drivers like crap, they then can’t get anyone to work there and have to recruit from overseas, the others realise that they have to put their hand in their pocket to get/keep decent drivers
Big Jon’s dad:
dave_lol66:
Big Jon’s dad:
mickfly:
I was even told by the boss of the company to, and I really do quote his exact words… “■■■■ it up Mikey boy, it’s the Canadian way” when I was given 4 days to drive 600 miles.Shouldn’t the Canadian gov’t or YOU Canadian drivers be doing something to stop the constant turn around of Brits/Dutch/Belgian/German drivers
I wonder what was said prior to the bosses retort, eh?
It is not in the interest of either the Canadian Government, or the other drivers to bend over to help economic migrants. It is in their interest to keep the highest quality migrants and get rid of the rest. Sorting the wheat from the chaff. There is no requirement for more riff raff, we have enough of our own home grown variety. The crap companies do a fine job of testing out how resiliant adaptable and resourceful the TFWs are. Those that can adapt, and overcome the difficulties, stay, the others who were less flexible leave and Canada is better off without them. It isn’t a perfect system but so long as there is a renewable source of TFWs it is sustainable.
Completely, totally and in the strongest terms disagree. It is costing everyone, government, tax payers and companies a fortune for failed TFW when by and large the companies are to blame for the standard of the recruits and then the treatment, or mis-treatment, of the TFW.
Take this man outside and shoot him! How dare he disagree in those terms!
How is it costing everyone? I would suggest it would cost everyone plenty if poor quality immigrants were allowed to enter and stay in Canada. Better they get weeded out before they arrive but otherwise get shot of them as soon as they are found to be unsuitable.
Canada only wants migrants that are going to make a positive contribution to Canada. It does not want migrants that will be a drain on the public ■■■■■.
As someone else said employers provide jobs to employees for one reason, to make themselves money. Employers are not in business to be the social services.Further to that it is not in drivers interests to have poor quality immigrant drivers bringing down the reputation of all truckdrivers.
As you know, driving in Canada requires more from a driver than driving in the UK and Europe. It doesn’t suit everyone but how can you find out who is suitable?
You could devise some sort of test, or you could let them try it for a period. The ones that can adapt to change pass, the others… Well, they leave. Sorted!
Blimey.how this thread has moved on rapidly.The above post might be applicable in an ideal world,and may suit the European immigration system,BUT,if you really want to stop immigrant drivers bringing down the reputation of all truck drivers you need to stop all those ■■■■■■■ in Surrey,who share a licence,can’t drive a semi,and can’t even speak the language,but somehow are welcomed with open arms because they wrap their head in a dirty towel .
Sorry guys,bit of a “right wing moment”, Happy New Year 
We have been around this one for years now, Mick.
That winter was not as bad as last winter was in Alberta. They had our winter last year. And it was one winter you drove. Taking your argument on, since you reintroduced it, just being available does not mean they are going to pay you, and you did keep complaining about having to cross the Rockies and, iirc, refuse to do it.
Everyone knows that H&R are not ideal, but others have done well enough there, same as they have at BFS, same as at most of the firms. Others have not and have moved on. Some have packed in and gone back. But even those that have done well get grief from you and that makes little sense. Dave, Mark, Mark and I do not slag those off that have done well at BFS. We wish them well let them get on with it. Can you say the same of your opinions of those at H&R?
■■■■ companies are in every type of job there is. I use to work driving in the oilfields worked for one real ■■■ for about 3 days before I told him to shove it. Treated the people who worked for him like ■■■■ It was just extra work I really didnt need it. I also worked for one of the nicest men I have ever known. He treated his men really well, treated me like one of his family. His men worked their butts off for him, if someone didnt make it to work or had to take a day Rodger could pick up the phone and get a man who was on days off with the first call. He would pay the cab fare for his guys who spent time at the pub, so that they would get home safe, all they had to do is charge it to the company account. He recieved a phone call at 3am one day one of his men was in jail. Rodger went down at 3am and bailed him out. Did he make a fuss , not at all he just told the guy that he had used one excuse and only had 2 left. Rodger use to tell the guys there is only 3 reasons to miss work. 1) you are dead 2) you are in the hospital 3) you are in jail. Christmas party was huge, all you could eat, drink ect. The men would get $1000.00 checks as christmas presents. One of Rodgers men got a phone call at work his wife had been in an accident. Rodger told him just to bring his truck right to the hospital, Rodger was there waiting for him took the truck left his car for the guy to use. Paid for the guys hotel room while his wife was in the hospital. Paid him standby wages while he stayed home after she got out until she could handle things by herself. When he retired and sold his rigs, he had one fellow that had been with him from the start. He had him pick out a new pickup truck, and paid for it. He then paid off the fellows morgage on his house. The last day before the handover to the new owners he handed all his guys checks for 50,000.00 . Last summer running a load through Calgary I side tracked and spent some time out at his ranch. He still treats me like one of the family I dont think that will ever change. Quite the change to then work for another family operation where they treat their people like ■■■■. Wont mention the name on the ugly greeen trucks.
Well there’s living proof that women have to use 7 words to every mans one,Brentanna’s worse than my frigging mother-in-law 
,and she takes some listening to 
mickfly:
Big Jon’s dad:
mickfly:
Big Jon’s dad:
mickfly:
I was even told by the boss of the company to, and I really do quote his exact words… “■■■■ it up Mikey boy, it’s the Canadian way” when I was given 4 days to drive 600 miles.Shouldn’t the Canadian gov’t or YOU Canadian drivers be doing something to stop the constant turn around of Brits/Dutch/Belgian/German drivers
I wonder what was said prior to the bosses retort, eh?
It is not in the interest of either the Canadian Government, or the other drivers to bend over to help economic migrants. It is in their interest to keep the highest quality migrants and get rid of the rest. Sorting the wheat from the chaff. There is no requirement for more riff raff, we have enough of our own home grown variety. The crap companies do a fine job of testing out how resiliant adaptable and resourceful the TFWs are. Those that can adapt, and overcome the difficulties, stay, the others who were less flexible leave and Canada is better off without them. It isn’t a perfect system but so long as there is a renewable source of TFWs it is sustainable.
“I wonder what was said prior to the bosses retort, eh?”
It doesn’t matter what was said, you have already decided that you know all about the TFW situation in Canada!
It doesn’t matter what was said
I suspect it may matter quite a lot from the general tone of your other posts.
You sure you need that big a shovel?I don’t need a shovel. I asked the boss why, when they were desperate for USA capable drivers I was being sent on trips back and forth through the rockies at stupid times of the day and night with obviously lower earnings. His answer was “■■■■ it up Mikey boy, it’s the Canadian way”
As someone who has never driven long haul (big johns dad) I might explain to you that 600 miles through the rockies takes 13 hours wheras 600 miles on the I15 in the USA takes 10 hours…so…less money ias made in Canada (and at less cents per mile).
As a none truck driving, Canada loving, UK hating , may I suggest that you [zb] off to a forum where someone values your opinion!Please leave out the personal stuff, cos it make no difference to the point you’ve made. It’s also against forum rule #3. dd.
Like I said can dish it out but can’t take it. Nice big hole that, Mick. My work here is done.
newmercman:
dave_lol66:
Big Jon’s dad:
dave_lol66:
Simple, better recruitment policies from the companies with LMO’s and better driver retention, if they can’t meet the standards laid down they can’t recruit TFW
It takes more than a class 1 licence and a pulse to make it out hereSounds like a paradox.
From what I read though, most companies aren’t bothering to recruit from the UK anymore.
Maybe they can’t find the quality of recruit they want anymore in the UK?Explain how it sounds like a paradox!!
Their reputations are so badly dented it’s no longer worth their while recruiting in UK, so lets go farther afield where thay are not so well known and can get even more unsuspecting recruits from one recruitment drive.That’s it Dave, their reputations are too tarnished to get LMOs for people from civilised countries, so now they’re training up refugees
newmercman wrote:
Big Jon’s dad wrote:
Brentanna wrote:
Guys is it really necessary to quote quotes of quotes of quotes when all that has been added is one line of new discussion ?No, but is is quicker and easier to see who you are replying to.
No it isn’t and it really get’s my goat, you should go onto the old time drivers forum, there’s a couple of people on there that do it all the time, however I’ve resisted the impulse to mention it because I didn’t want to appear too pendantic
LOL as he quotes quotes again…
Game on, how many layers of quotes can we get up to before someone complains. Last post before the complaint is the loser. Your move.
How about a double quote of quote on quote on quote, your serve
I fold
dave_lol66:
Big Jon’s dad:
dave_lol66:
Simple, better recruitment policies from the companies with LMO’s and better driver retention, if they can’t meet the standards laid down they can’t recruit TFW
It takes more than a class 1 licence and a pulse to make it out hereSounds like a paradox.
From what I read though, most companies aren’t bothering to recruit from the UK anymore.
Maybe they can’t find the quality of recruit they want anymore in the UK?Explain how it sounds like a paradox!!
Their reputations are so badly dented it’s no longer worth their while recruiting in UK, so lets go farther afield where thay are not so well known and can get even more unsuspecting recruits from one recruitment drive.
Its a paradox if you want to make life easier for the immigrant drivers but you need better than average drivers. The current method gets rid of the substandard candidates who may think they are wonderful drivers but don’t have the required attitude and adaptability.
Maybe they go further afield to find workers that don’t ■■■■ and whine or if they do ■■■■ and whine, at least you don’t hear it. The other factor is that workers from poorer countries than the UK will be used to lower wages so the pay in Canada will seem to be such an improvement that they are more willing to do whatever it takes.
Big Jon’s dad:
dave_lol66:
Big Jon’s dad:
dave_lol66:
Simple, better recruitment policies from the companies with LMO’s and better driver retention, if they can’t meet the standards laid down they can’t recruit TFW
It takes more than a class 1 licence and a pulse to make it out hereSounds like a paradox.
From what I read though, most companies aren’t bothering to recruit from the UK anymore.
Maybe they can’t find the quality of recruit they want anymore in the UK?Explain how it sounds like a paradox!!
Their reputations are so badly dented it’s no longer worth their while recruiting in UK, so lets go farther afield where thay are not so well known and can get even more unsuspecting recruits from one recruitment drive.Its a paradox if you want to make life easier for the immigrant drivers but you need better than average drivers. The current method gets rid of the substandard candidates who may think they are wonderful drivers but don’t have the required attitude and adaptability.
Maybe they go further afield to find workers that don’t ■■■■ and whine or if they do ■■■■ and whine, at least you don’t hear it. The other factor is that workers from poorer countries than the UK will be used to lower wages so the pay in Canada will seem to be such an improvement that they are more willing to do whatever it takes.
back to my original question, explain why it sounds like a paradox!!
Well there’s living proof that women have to use 7 words to every mans one,Brentanna’s worse than my frigging mother-in-law
We paint a picture, men just talk
mickfly:
I don’t need a shovel. I asked the boss why, when they were desperate for USA capable drivers I was being sent on trips back and forth through the rockies at stupid times of the day and night with obviously lower earnings. His answer was “■■■■ it up Mikey boy, it’s the Canadian way”
As someone who has never driven long haul (big johns dad) I might explain to you that 600 miles through the rockies takes 13 hours wheras 600 miles on the I15 in the USA takes 10 hours…so…less money ias made in Canada (and at less cents per mile).
As a none truck driving, Canada loving, UK hating , may I suggest that you [zb] off to a forum where someone values your opinion!Please leave out the personal stuff, cos it make no difference to the point you’ve made. It’s also against forum rule #3. dd.
I don’t need a shovel. No you don’t need it anymore, that hole is deep enough.
My guess is you got dumped on because you complained about something. But anyway, it doesn’t matter now, life moves on, it was years ago but you can’t seem to move on, It must be eating you up.
none truck driving That would be non truck driving. When I went to work after leaving school and before I had any kind of driving licence, I worked with my dad as his assistant. We travelled to jobs as I do now. I used to see all the trucks on the motorway and could recognise all the different makes of truck long before they got close enough to read the names on them. I wanted to be a truck driver as I thought it would be a great life travelling around in similar vehicles. When I was old enough, I passed my class 1 test and went job hunting. I could not find a truck driving job that was better paid than the clock servicing job I already had which came with transport, a company van. So I never became a truck driver. I now do what my dad did, servicing hairdryers. If I had found a truck driving job back then I would probably be in Canada now driving trucks as my kids now do.
Canada loving, UK hating
Yes I love Canada, I grew up there and consider it home. I do not hate the UK, and have never said that I do, so that is just you lashing out in frustration. I live and work in the UK. I don’t have to, I could move, but I’m financially better off staying put.
, may I suggest that you [zb] off to a forum where someone values your opinion!
As the guy that jumps up and down screaming people have made personal insults about you, you have just shown how hypocritical you can be. You really don’t need to keep digging you know?
dave_lol66:
back to my original question, explain why it sounds like a paradox!!
I thought I did but I’m not going to try again, You win, Canada should not allow any more TFWs in because they winge too much.
bobthedog:
We have been around this one for years now, Mick.That winter was not as bad as last winter was in Alberta. They had our winter last year. And it was one winter you drove. Taking your argument on, since you reintroduced it, just being available does not mean they are going to pay you, and you did keep complaining about having to cross the Rockies and, iirc, refuse to do it.
Everyone knows that H&R are not ideal, but others have done well enough there, same as they have at BFS, same as at most of the firms. Others have not and have moved on. Some have packed in and gone back. But even those that have done well get grief from you and that makes little sense. Dave, Mark, Mark and I do not slag those off that have done well at BFS. We wish them well let them get on with it. Can you say the same of your opinions of those at H&R?
“just being available does not mean they are going to pay you” If i am told to go for a load at 7am and it’s not ready 'till 7pm and I have to drive nonstop through the Rockies to deliver at 8am the day after… I want paying, what’s wrong with that?
I only refused a load that was illegal to do (in fact, the above scenario is illegal also, if I had started my lg at 7am!
I sincerely wish all those who are at H&R the very best and I have said many times that I understand why they take the crap (to get PR) but I do wish they would be honest about H&R’s methods, and the lack of payment for layovers etc, AND I still wouldn’t tell anyone not to use them to get into Canada.
Big Jon’s dad:
dave_lol66:
back to my original question, explain why it sounds like a paradox!!I thought I did but I’m not going to try again, You win, Canada should not allow any more TFWs in because they winge too much.
mmm i wonder if thats the real reason you are in the uk■■? so you thought wrong, your explanation had nothing to do with what had been posted ffs
where in any of my postings have I even suggested Canada does not need ant tfw??