As above. Tesco. They have internal strapping that has been approved by vosa, that if loaded by trained people then it is ok to seal the trailer and the driver take it without breaking it.
m_attt:
As above. Tesco. They have internal strapping that has been approved by vosa, that if loaded by trained people then it is ok to seal the trailer and the driver take it without breaking it.
Is that off tesco or VOSA?
one of the head dsa accredatid trainer/examiner for Tesco
m_attt:
one of the head dsa accredatid trainer/examiner for Tesco
You are on about curtainsiders and NOT boxvans aren’t you? I only ask because I can’t imagine the warehouse staff unbuckling a curtainsider to strap the load, I dont go in there RDCs often, but I can’t ever recall seeing them doing it.
Reefer’s. It says sealed trailers on thread title.
m_attt:
Reefer’s. It says sealed trailers on thread title.
A driver is not responsible for an insecured load in a reefer, boxvan or container, vosa are not interested in any of these types of trailer on a stop, only curtainsiders.
chester:
chester:
Iam that confident of my belief, I shall give a Pepsi challenge to this forum.
Can any poster give an example of when a driver like me would not be in a position to check, restrain a load?Of course, unless it was for the general reasons of being fat, lazy or useless.
I ask again, give me a load which I would not be in a position to check to my satisfaction the suitabilty for road transportation?
Oh, ok. A customs bonded load.
Mike-C:
chester:
chester:
Iam that confident of my belief, I shall give a Pepsi challenge to this forum.
Can any poster give an example of when a driver like me would not be in a position to check, restrain a load?Of course, unless it was for the general reasons of being fat, lazy or useless.
I ask again, give me a load which I would not be in a position to check to my satisfaction the suitabilty for road transportation?
Oh, ok. A customs bonded load.
nope you can ask the customs officer to break the seal then re seal it …
RE containers. As long as all twist locks are secured then the load is secure. Nothing is coming through the side of a container. Any DVLA official who insists on opening a container to check the internal load is going to find something to fine you for regardless. If it is a bonded seal are you actually allowed to open it anyway? I thought only certificated premises were allowed to break them?
RE curtainsiders. A curtainsider is just a flatbed with a cover. As far as I understand its not suitable to be used as a load restraint.
Regardless of company procedures etc the driver is held responsible for unsecure loads,even if loaded and secured by someone else. I asked on my cpc course about load security as I was doing tesco sub work at the time and their trailers are sealed when you pick them up and he told me you should open and check so it must be true and is now considered gospel! 
nick2008:
Mike-C:
chester:
chester:
Iam that confident of my belief, I shall give a Pepsi challenge to this forum.
Can any poster give an example of when a driver like me would not be in a position to check, restrain a load?Of course, unless it was for the general reasons of being fat, lazy or useless.
I ask again, give me a load which I would not be in a position to check to my satisfaction the suitabilty for road transportation?
Oh, ok. A customs bonded load.
nope you can ask the customs officer to break the seal then re seal it …
Or break it your self before leaving the terminal, check the load, then get them to seal it at the outgate, dont get caught though.
When I was doing DSV trailers, some were sealed, some not, I always removed the seal to check the load when I was doing the trailer check, never bothered with the reefers, only the curainsiders.
Most trailers coming into the UK from the EU and dont normaly require a customs seal, unless its a bonded load.
The-Snowman:
RE containers. As long as all twist locks are secured then the load is secure. Nothing is coming through the side of a container. Any DVLA official who insists on opening a container to check the internal load is going to find something to fine you for regardless. If it is a bonded seal are you actually allowed to open it anyway? I thought only certificated premises were allowed to break them?RE curtainsiders. A curtainsider is just a flatbed with a cover. As far as I understand its not suitable to be used as a load restraint.
The new EN12642-XL curtains are suitable for load restraint.
The-Snowman:
RE containers. As long as all twist locks are secured then the load is secure. Nothing is coming through the side of a container. Any DVLA official who insists on opening a container to check the internal load is going to find something to fine you for regardless. If it is a bonded seal are you actually allowed to open it anyway? I thought only certificated premises were allowed to break them?RE curtainsiders. A curtainsider is just a flatbed with a cover. As far as I understand its not suitable to be used as a load restraint.
Regardless of company procedures etc the driver is held responsible for unsecure loads,even if loaded and secured by someone else. I asked on my cpc course about load security as I was doing tesco sub work at the time and their trailers are sealed when you pick them up and he told me you should open and check so it must be true and is now considered gospel!
any movement of a load in any container constitutes as an unsecure load
weeto:
The-Snowman:
RE containers. As long as all twist locks are secured then the load is secure. Nothing is coming through the side of a container. Any DVLA official who insists on opening a container to check the internal load is going to find something to fine you for regardless. If it is a bonded seal are you actually allowed to open it anyway? I thought only certificated premises were allowed to break them?RE curtainsiders. A curtainsider is just a flatbed with a cover. As far as I understand its not suitable to be used as a load restraint.
The new EN12642-XL curtains are suitable for load restraint.
But there are stipulations on that …
also if the load or any part of the load can move its classed as unsecured .
nick2008:
weeto:
The-Snowman:
RE containers. As long as all twist locks are secured then the load is secure. Nothing is coming through the side of a container. Any DVLA official who insists on opening a container to check the internal load is going to find something to fine you for regardless. If it is a bonded seal are you actually allowed to open it anyway? I thought only certificated premises were allowed to break them?RE curtainsiders. A curtainsider is just a flatbed with a cover. As far as I understand its not suitable to be used as a load restraint.
The new EN12642-XL curtains are suitable for load restraint.
But there are stipulations on that …
also if the load or any part of the load can move its classed as unsecured .
The stipulations are.
You would not need to use additional lashing or other load security solutions, as long as you have loaded the goods with a positive fit:
load from the headboard, filling the length of the load bed up to the bulkhead, which must be in good condition
the gap between each side of the load and the curtains must be 80 millimetres or less
the load must be secured to the rear if it is not retained by the trailer body or rear doors.
nick2008:
The-Snowman:
RE containers. As long as all twist locks are secured then the load is secure. Nothing is coming through the side of a container. Any DVLA official who insists on opening a container to check the internal load is going to find something to fine you for regardless. If it is a bonded seal are you actually allowed to open it anyway? I thought only certificated premises were allowed to break them?RE curtainsiders. A curtainsider is just a flatbed with a cover. As far as I understand its not suitable to be used as a load restraint.
Regardless of company procedures etc the driver is held responsible for unsecure loads,even if loaded and secured by someone else. I asked on my cpc course about load security as I was doing tesco sub work at the time and their trailers are sealed when you pick them up and he told me you should open and check so it must be true and is now considered gospel!any movement of a load in any container constitutes as an unsecure load
VOSA aren’t intrested in the contents of a sealed container, all they are bothered about is that the skelly locks are securing the load (a shipping container) to the trailer, I’ve asked them, and thats as far as they are interested on that subject.
weeto:
VOSA aren’t intrested in the contents of a sealed container, all they are bothered about is that the skelly locks are securing the load (a shipping container) to the trailer, I’ve asked them, and thats as far as they are interested on that subject.
I know what your saying but you can be sure if your going down the road and its leaning one way or the other they will wanna look
nick2008:
weeto:
VOSA aren’t intrested in the contents of a sealed container, all they are bothered about is that the skelly locks are securing the load (a shipping container) to the trailer, I’ve asked them, and thats as far as they are interested on that subject.I know what your saying but you can be sure if your going down the road and its leaning one way or the other they will wanna look
Now you just being pedantic!
nick2008:
The-Snowman:
RE containers. As long as all twist locks are secured then the load is secure. Nothing is coming through the side of a container. Any DVLA official who insists on opening a container to check the internal load is going to find something to fine you for regardless. If it is a bonded seal are you actually allowed to open it anyway? I thought only certificated premises were allowed to break them?RE curtainsiders. A curtainsider is just a flatbed with a cover. As far as I understand its not suitable to be used as a load restraint.
Regardless of company procedures etc the driver is held responsible for unsecure loads,even if loaded and secured by someone else. I asked on my cpc course about load security as I was doing tesco sub work at the time and their trailers are sealed when you pick them up and he told me you should open and check so it must be true and is now considered gospel!any movement of a load in any container constitutes as an unsecure load
So all the lads with a tank of flour or cement or other similar product have to strap every grain then ■■?
Ye gods we will never leave the yard in a life time !
nick2008:
The-Snowman:
RE containers. As long as all twist locks are secured then the load is secure. Nothing is coming through the side of a container. Any DVLA official who insists on opening a container to check the internal load is going to find something to fine you for regardless. If it is a bonded seal are you actually allowed to open it anyway? I thought only certificated premises were allowed to break them?RE curtainsiders. A curtainsider is just a flatbed with a cover. As far as I understand its not suitable to be used as a load restraint.
Regardless of company procedures etc the driver is held responsible for unsecure loads,even if loaded and secured by someone else. I asked on my cpc course about load security as I was doing tesco sub work at the time and their trailers are sealed when you pick them up and he told me you should open and check so it must be true and is now considered gospel!any movement of a load in any container constitutes as an unsecure load
I once helped a driver who had a mini 4x4 JCB forklift hanging out the back doors of a container.
It was a military forklift, so the numptys squaddies had just drove it in, handbrake on and left it.
Numpty truck driver then takes a load onto a road without checking it.
I was in the Army at the time working at the place the load was destined for.
So I was in a position to get the situation resolved.
Think for one second if that JCB had fallen out onto lane 2 of the A34,with fast flowing traffic.
Who do you think would Be at fault?
Boss “please take that load down to London for me. You may not look in the back to check your load, Tiny is going to ride shotgun with you. If you do have a peek, Tiny here, will pull your ■■■■■■■ head off, and spit down your throat.”
I doubt you face prosecution if something fell off.