Hello again,lets put this copyright thing to bed,Newmercman voiced his opinion which I would think there are quite a few who agree with him,I want to keep posting pics but they will have the copyright watermark on them…its the only “safe” way to stop exploitation.
I apologies for this inconvienience.
Its not an inconvienience in anyway. I love your thread and agree you should protect your photos.
Please keep up the good work
I cannot think of anything worse to work with than an opentop container. I have put more covers on those than I care to remember, Seawheel used to operate them and they were a pain in the arse, especially when you were 14 and alone in the yard. They operated some “Half Heights” which were a bit easier but still a pain 
With regards to Wheel Nuts statement ‘If they are on Google, they are public domain’ I would just like to state that assumption is incorrect. Regardless where they appear on the www, copyright and intellectual property rights still apply.
If the application of a copyright marking to the pictures I supply Marcus to use is becoming a problem with some people then there is an answer - I will cease supplying pictures from the Ingram / Kenney / Hine archive. It is as simple as that.
retriever:
With regards to Wheel Nuts statement ‘If they are on Google, they are public domain’ I would just like to state that assumption is incorrect. Regardless where they appear on the www copyright and intellectual property rights still apply.If the application of a copyright marking to the pictures I supply Marcus to use is becoming a problem with some people then there is an answer - no more pictures from the Ingram / Kenney / Hine archive. It is as simple as that.
OK, I used the wrong term, Public Domain is a strict legal term. The photos are in my front room, so they are mine to view, if you want to take your ball home, it is not a problem as long as I remember never to buy another book from Nynehead or the like again. the ones you should be chasing are these sleazy little zb who are asking between 90p and £3 for something they don’t own or who haven’t even got a camera
Think of your photos as little tasters for the contents of your books.
I have built about 15 websites for motorcycle racers and clubs and have a good relationship with most of the photographers who give up their weekends to visit muddy fields, racetracks and speedway ovals. If someone wants a photo, they either email the owner or I do and have never been refused, sometimes I am sent high res images in return, some are just copied from their site with permission.
Like the landing leg thread, if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. This thread is Bubblemans work and has kept us entertained and educated for many years. It has been mentioned many times that it is the best thread on the internet, and it doesn’t matter how many times you look at it, you will find something you missed.
Retriever, your photos are very interesting too but this thread survived before and it will still survive if you take them off. I have posted many thousands of times, and some of it is useful and correct information. I don’t copyright any of it because it is freely available on the internet, just that sometimes answering a specific question makes it easier to understand for the OP
Wheel Nut:
I cannot think of anything worse to work with than an opentop container. I have put more covers on those than I care to remember, Seawheel used to operate them and they were a pain in the arse, especially when you were 14 and alone in the yard. They operated some “Half Heights” which were a bit easier but still a pain
I don’t know if it’s changed all round now, but I did some container work last year, and had to take an open top for tipping.I had never done one before so asked what my responsibilities were regarding an open top,and was told that all I have to do with a box is open the back doors, period. The loaders/unloaders were responsible for taking/putting on the covers, thank goodness!!
Wheel Nut:
retriever:
With regards to Wheel Nuts statement ‘If they are on Google, they are public domain’ I would just like to state that assumption is incorrect. Regardless where they appear on the www copyright and intellectual property rights still apply.If the application of a copyright marking to the pictures I supply Marcus to use is becoming a problem with some people then there is an answer - no more pictures from the Ingram / Kenney / Hine archive. It is as simple as that.
OK, I used the wrong term, Public Domain is a strict legal term. The photos are in my front room, so they are mine to view, if you want to take your ball home, it is not a problem as long as I remember never to buy another book from Nynehead or the like again. the ones you should be chasing are these sleazy little zb who are asking between 90p and £3 for something they don’t own or who haven’t even got a camera
Think of your photos as little tasters for the contents of your books.
I have built about 15 websites for motorcycle racers and clubs and have a good relationship with most of the photographers who give up their weekends to visit muddy fields, racetracks and speedway ovals. If someone wants a photo, they either email the owner or I do and have never been refused, sometimes I am sent high res images in return, some are just copied from their site with permission.
Like the landing leg thread, if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. This thread is Bubblemans work and has kept us entertained and educated for many years. It has been mentioned many times that it is the best thread on the internet, and it doesn’t matter how many times you look at it, you will find something you missed.
Retriever, your photos are very interesting too but this thread survived before and it will still survive if you take them off. I have posted many thousands of times, and some of it is useful and correct information. I don’t copyright any of it because it is freely available on the internet, just that sometimes answering a specific question makes it easier to understand for the OP
Please understand - I have not supplied pictures to Marcus in some form of self promotion. I am submitting them to Marcus because I want to help his marvellous endeavours with Scrapbook Memories and to share with other members of the forum the work of some people who in their time took some interesting and historic working pictures. I became a lorry enthusiast long, long before I became involved in either selling or publishing books on the subject. I am truly sorry that it is necessary to watermark these pictures, your observations about the activities of those on ebay and elsewhere are oh so true and their unlawful actions dictate the need for this measure.
As for not buying another book from Nynehead you will be one among very many! The advent of Amazon is slowly killing our business as it is of all specialist and independent booksellers.
No, I shall not take my ball away just quite yet. I have some good friends on this forum and, I will say, at least one enemy (not yourself), but I can live with that.
Retriever
Wheel Nut:
retriever:
With regards to Wheel Nuts statement ‘If they are on Google, they are public domain’ I would just like to state that assumption is incorrect. Regardless where they appear on the www copyright and intellectual property rights still apply.If the application of a copyright marking to the pictures I supply Marcus to use is becoming a problem with some people then there is an answer - no more pictures from the Ingram / Kenney / Hine archive. It is as simple as that.
OK, I used the wrong term, Public Domain is a strict legal term. The photos are in my front room, so they are mine to view, if you want to take your ball home, it is not a problem as long as I remember never to buy another book from Nynehead or the like again. the ones you should be chasing are these sleazy little zb who are asking between 90p and £3 for something they don’t own or who haven’t even got a camera
Think of your photos as little tasters for the contents of your books.
I have built about 15 websites for motorcycle racers and clubs and have a good relationship with most of the photographers who give up their weekends to visit muddy fields, racetracks and speedway ovals. If someone wants a photo, they either email the owner or I do and have never been refused, sometimes I am sent high res images in return, some are just copied from their site with permission.
Like the landing leg thread, if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. This thread is Bubblemans work and has kept us entertained and educated for many years. It has been mentioned many times that it is the best thread on the internet, and it doesn’t matter how many times you look at it, you will find something you missed.
Retriever, your photos are very interesting too but this thread survived before and it will still survive if you take them off. I have posted many thousands of times, and some of it is useful and correct information. I don’t copyright any of it because it is freely available on the internet, just that sometimes answering a specific question makes it easier to understand for the OP
Enthusiasts sharing or business making money? Where exactly did you come by the photo collections of enthusiasts,amassed over the years in all sorts of weather conditions? Why would they have taken them? For their own personal pleasure for sure and they certainly couldn’t have known in the 50s/60s that they would be of monetary value at some point in the future.When I look at my motley collection of transport books some two thirds of them are probably from your stables but I might think long and hard in the future. As wheelnut rightly points out they can be seen as tasters. Exposure on here just may help sell a few more.Publishers did not create what we have nowadays,think back to what bland offerings we had even as late on as the 80s.Enthusiasts,sites like this,and especially this one of Rikkis,have done more in less than 10 years of existence than all that went before.
You would probably trip over yourselves getting copy to the magazines for some forthcoming book and yet a well documented pic complete with the blurb and as to where fellow enthusiasts could lay their hands on one results in this typical post: Who exactly do you think your customers might be?
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=73601&p=949670&hilit=walls+meat#p949670
Bubbleman and others are perfectly entitiled to do what they want with their photos and long may they continue to post them,they’re fantastic and we almost daily acknowldge that fact but what your attempting is totally a different kettle of fish.
As a matter of interest my outspokeness and style have made me less than flavoursome with some on here but none can accuse me of not loving the old industry and do you know something? I didn’t even complain when Paul included this pic on his brilliant site,after all it’s only a grainy old pic but if it adds to somebody’s pleasure well and good.Nor do I want 90p 
stravaiger:
Removed due to copyrightHi Walls 390L As john just says if anyone has 'em bubbs scrapbook has. In the meantime here’s one from Roger Kenney.
(Or was this a different outfit?)…jim
Was this the post you wanted Stravaiger?
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Or did you mean this picture taken by Roger and scanned from Views from the North?
Ok, I give in, I realise this is kick Nynehead day. You win - yes, I am a money grabbing publisher who is here to exploit the talents of unsuspecting photographers for selfish gain. Well, that is you view of matters anyway and I do not believe any more words from me will change you opinion or those of some others on this forum.
With regards to Paul’s site - I also support him the photographs from the 1950s & 1960s, for personal gain of course!
Hiya Bubbs, have you got any old photos or cuttings please?
I don’t believe anyone is kicking Nynehead, Old Pond or anyone else, as far as I can see anyway…
I have used many and various book sellers, including them, and have always found them efficient, polite and courteous. That way, they get any return business that I might have… It also helps if they have the book that I want… 
Some like copyrighted pics, some don’t! If we were all the same, life would be bloody boring 
If small script across a photo means that we all get to see it, so be it! The majority of us benefit greatly from the endless hard work and hours stood out in all winds and weathers of Marcus and many, many more contributors to this thread, and to this whole site. This is a fabulous thread and I personally don’t care if its photo’s or cuttings, I always take great pleasure from seeing them and they always bring back some long-forgotten memories that would otherwise stay hidden in my subconscious… How many times have we all had a ’ Oh yeah, I remember them…’ moment after seeing a pic on here? Many times in my case…
We are all entitled to our own opinions, this is mine. Don’t shoot me for it… 
For what it’s worth…to all of you contributors, I thank you! Long may this thread continue…
Stupot:
Hello again,lets put this copyright thing to bed,Newmercman voiced his opinion which I would think there are quite a few who agree with him,I want to keep posting pics but they will have the copyright watermark on them…its the only “safe” way to stop exploitation.
I apologies for this inconvienience.Its not an inconvienience in anyway. I love your thread and agree you should protect your photos.
Please keep up the good work
I concur.
bubbleman:
Hello again,lets put this copyright thing to bed,Newmercman voiced his opinion which I would think there are quite a few who agree with him,I want to keep posting pics but they will have the copyright watermark on them…its the only “safe” way to stop exploitation.
I apologies for this inconvienience.
A visit to Masons in the early 80s saw several Big Js still giving good service.
Not an exciting lorry to photograph but Roadjokes were still new on the scene at the time,this one is seen outside Lex Tillotsons (formally Steels Commercials) on the A420 at Kingswood Bristol.Flats and houses now stand where this Leyland dealer used to be.
A pair of Mercs resting at Free Foresters yard at Mitcheldean…the old BRS yard if I’m not mistaken.
Capital Tradings Merc1626 is seen on Aust services,while the drivers gone for a pot o’ tea
Southampton reg “C” series heads westbound on the M4 near Bristol.
A company thats no longer with us,this Maggie 290.19 was brand new when photographed.
Canons Marsh lorry park in Bristol sees this 3300 parked for the weekend,the buildings in the background and the lorry park are no more
Heading for j24 on the M5 this 143 from Blandford has a Taymix tank on its back.If any of these have been put on before, well I’m sure it wont hurt for a second look
Cheers Bubbs,
Kin’ ell it seems I’ve stirred up a Hornet’s Nest here Get a grip people, I only asked why the copyright crap was on the pictures, a simple explanation like…
‘It’s to stop people nicking them off here and selling them on ebay’
…would have answered my question 
My opinion is that this ‘branding’ spoils the pictures, I’m terribly sorry if my opinion offends you, but it is what it is, it wasn’t a critisism, now everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about it
BTW, I’ve put a few pictures up on here, not anywhere in the league of Bubbleman and others, personally I don’t care if they appear on ebay, in fact I would be quite pleased that someone was impressed with my photography that much that they thought they’d earn a few bob from it
Here are a couple I put on the Southampton thread,
A couple of Steve Williamson’s pics he has let me put on here. His dad Alan RIP was a Sea Route driver at their Heywood depot.
DMW 488L on it’s side on the Chilworth roundabout Southampton in 1980 driver was Frank Brandon (Well know on the Middle East Run I believe)
John Smith’s 140 he was a Sea Route Manchester subby
Keep up the good work Bubbs and all I for one appreciate all you do.
I see quite a few people complaining about copyrightright etc being put on the pics.Yes it does spoil the pic but then i can see bubblemans point about the time he spents having to do it and people taking the pics etc and selling them.
But to be honest if them people are that bothered about copying them they can take the time to remove the copyright from the pic
I do hope the arguments about copyright doesn’t stop the excellent photos being shown on this thread. Whether they are shown as a taster to get us to buy or whatever I dont care as in my eyes better have a few than none. I think I speak for most people that we much more prefer old vehicles whatever age than seeing photos of new vehicles, and I only hope Bubbleman keeps up his good work.
Several people have read and enjoyed my writings on the W.H.Williams thread and I only saw this site after the photo of one of our vehicles from twenty five years plus before appeared on Scrapbook memories. Recently I have started from page one going through all the photos again, and its amaising all the wonderful work that Bubbleman s done. So please Bubbleman carry on with watermarks if neccesaryb as you give so many people so much pleasure.
One thing I would like to suggest is someone starting a thread naming and shaming anyone who steals a photo from this site to make money. Please somehow tell us reshowingn the stolen photo and we can then do our best to stop anyone buying the photos and if that is possible it will get rid of the motive for stealing photos.
For what it’s worth, I understand why Bubbs does the copyright thing; I’ve seen a couple of pics at these rip off merchants tents at shows and thought they came from this thread. I’m amazed anyone buys these things for the stupid prices asked for, complete with grubby hand prints and all. If I’d bought the amount of film etc that Bubbs has I’d do the same, but as I’ve only got a 5 year old Tesco digi job I don’t bother.
A photo of my lorry covered in grime wouldn’t fetch much…but one of it polished that’s another thing 
