Sploom:
The other thing,if the military are helping,they have ongoing costs anyway no matter what they are doing in that time
Precisely. And Military aircraft get used for various “exercises” with some regularity, at least whoever’s planes are getting a run-out are having their crews use their skills in a practical way.
I used to do a lot of scuba diving some years ago, some of it on the more adventurous side of technical-diving with mixed gasses, at dive sites faaaar out of sight of land, so I know what is feels like be be out there bobbing around in the open sea wondering WTF is going to happen.
Anyone else who’d been in the same situation would not have a callous attitude to the potential for a life to be lost at sea. When you’re out there totally adrift, you’re very glad of the international law of the sea that everybody is deserving of rescue regardless of their bank balance.
To the impoverished locals of foreign countries where we white westerners travel to indulging our diving hobby, we must appear to be phenomenally wealthy too.
With OPs attitude to the lost sub I can only assume he did not grow up as a fan of Thunderbirds And would never considering supporting the RNLI
"Literally everything I’ve seen about this missing submarine is insane and sketchy AF… almost none of it makes any sense whatsoever. How long till we find other external factors making it even more so■■?
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) June 21, 2023
Is that supposed to add support to your argument? Quoting any member of that dodgy family is just another nail in the coffin of your questionable POV.
JeffA:
window was only tested to about 4000 feet and they were dropping to 12,5000 feet.
Who said anything about the window? The sub was tested to 4000 metres, and at 3800 metres Titanic depth, they’re well within it’s specifications.
And unless the news has somehow failed to mention RN/RAF involvement , the “taxes
being used” in the search are US and Canadian, plus some involvement of commercial vessels, so again not your taxes bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65965665
Meanwhile back in Blighty, I suppose you think we shouldn’t have searched for the charity channel swimmer Iain Hughes either? This used “military helicopters and navy and police boats.” I know from talking to RAF guys, they’re more than happy honing their S&R skills on we numpty scuba divers so I doubt they felt put out looking for the charity swimmer
Sploom:
The other thing,if the military are helping,they have ongoing costs anyway no matter what they are doing in that time
Not to mention being amazing training
In what sense? How often will they be called on to help a 5 man sub held together with stickyback plastic on the titanic wreck? I cant see there being a rush to sign up on for the next expedition.
Trumpy jnr says its (another) conspiracy:
"Literally everything I’ve seen about this missing submarine is insane and sketchy AF… almost none of it makes any sense whatsoever. How long till we find other external factors making it even more so■■?
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) June 21, 2023
Quoting a Trump now! Hilarious. If you think there’s no military training and knowledge to be gained from this situation I can’t really help you. Have a good afternoon
JeffA:
lOceangate and the billionaires are paying nothing. So the taxpayer is picking up the bill for a billionaires jolly.
That’s actually just a massive assumption on your part to be fair
No, unlike your ideas, mine are based on evidence. Its standard policy. The US coast guard doesnt charge for rescue - so one of the billionaires would have to offer. Not very likely.
Sploom:
The other thing,if the military are helping,they have ongoing costs anyway no matter what they are doing in that time
Not to mention being amazing training
In what sense? How often will they be called on to help a 5 man sub held together with stickyback plastic on the titanic wreck? I cant see there being a rush to sign up on for the next expedition.
Trumpy jnr says its (another) conspiracy:
"Literally everything I’ve seen about this missing submarine is insane and sketchy AF… almost none of it makes any sense whatsoever. How long till we find other external factors making it even more so■■?
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) June 21, 2023
Quoting a Trump now! Hilarious. If you think there’s no military training and knowledge to be gained from this situation I can’t really help you. Have a good afternoon
Calm down you are getting confused - its the coast guard doing the rescue - I said 3 military planes had been used - you then assumed that means the military are doing the rescue. Try and base your ideas on evidence - its the best way.
I assumed nothing of the sort, you’re just trying to wriggle out of fact the post didn’t go as you expected, my sympathies I know all too well what that’s like. Who’s running the operation is academic, any military involvement is worthwhile training. Not to mention coastguard too. Huge amount to be learned in operations like this.
JeffA:
lOceangate and the billionaires are paying nothing. So the taxpayer is picking up the bill for a billionaires jolly.
That’s actually just a massive assumption on your part to be fair
No, unlike your ideas, mine are based on evidence. Its standard policy. The US coast guard doesnt charge for rescue - so one of the billionaires would have to offer. Not very likely.
Yup, so still an assumption. You’ve a hilariously inflated view of your own intelligence chap, keep it up.
switchlogic:
I assumed nothing of the sort, you’re just trying to wriggle out of fact the post didn’t go as you expected, my sympathies I know all too well what that’s like. Who’s running the operation is academic, any military involvement is worthwhile training. Not to mention coastguard too. Huge amount to be learned in operations like this.
Explain why its worthwhile training - dont just pull something out of your bottom and hope I let you get away with it.
How often will the coastguard be called on to rescue a tiny sub from the Titanic wreck? Its the most useless “training” in the world because it will probably never be done ever again - not to mention the cost of it will mean the money they could have spent on real training has gone.
And they are more than likely dead anyway so its useless as a rescue - its just picking up an object from the ocean floor. No need for “training” for that. Y’follow?
JeffA:
lOceangate and the billionaires are paying nothing. So the taxpayer is picking up the bill for a billionaires jolly.
That’s actually just a massive assumption on your part to be fair
No, unlike your ideas, mine are based on evidence. Its standard policy. The US coast guard doesnt charge for rescue - so one of the billionaires would have to offer. Not very likely.
Yup, so still an assumption. You’ve a hilariously inflated view of your own intelligence chap, keep it up.
No - standard policy. Try and respond to what I actually write - not to the voices in your head.
ROG:
Does anyone know why it did not have a tether line
I don’t know for sure but I’d imagine it was designed that way so it didn’t get snagged on the wreck, apparently they get up close and personal and it’s not unheard of for it to get temporarily wedged under the stern by the props - according to one former traveller on the sub, who was interviewed on R4 the other day.
What surprises me is that it doesn’t seem to have some kind of delayed surface marker buoy system, with an EPIRB built into it, that what we use as divers for adventurous trips
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"The cost of the search and rescue mission is likely in the millions of dollars, Boyer said, one that will fall to taxpayers. He said the Coast Guard doesn’t charge people for search and rescue.
“That’s their job,” he said, noting fear of costs could deter people from seeking life-saving help.
While some adventure expeditions require patrons to take out insurance policies, few would come close to covering likely the costs of the current rescue mission, he said.
He said high-risk adventures have long fueled complex debates about risk and rescue.
“I think it’s going to become a larger issue for us. Because it’s not just under the water. We now have private spaceships flying private astronauts into space,” he said. ”What happens when that private spaceship can’t come back home?”
JeffA:
No - standard policy. Try and respond to what I actually write - not to the voices in your head.
The assumption you are making is that the families concerned won’t help financially. Apologies, I should spell my points out more slowly and simply for your benefit.
switchlogic:
I assumed nothing of the sort, you’re just trying to wriggle out of fact the post didn’t go as you expected, my sympathies I know all too well what that’s like. Who’s running the operation is academic, any military involvement is worthwhile training. Not to mention coastguard too. Huge amount to be learned in operations like this.
Explain why its worthwhile training - dont just pull something out of your bottom and hope I let you get away with it.
How often will the coastguard be called on to rescue a tiny sub from the Titanic wreck? Its the most useless “training” in the world because it will probably never be done ever again - not to mention the cost of it will mean the money they could have spent on real training has gone.
And they are more than likely dead anyway so its useless as a rescue - its just picking up an object from the ocean floor. No need for “training” for that. Y’follow?
So you think they only train for very specific scenarios and don’t use knowledge gained across all their search and rescue activities? ‘Sorry captain, we can’t use that information, that’s from the tiny submarine at bottom of ocean file’
Currently we have jets dancing around West Wales. Seems pointless, there’s hardly going to be a war in Wales. Well for foreseeable.
JeffA:
:dont just pull something out of your bottom and hope I let you get away with it.
Let me get away with it? That’s some ego! None of us Matter in grand scheme of things, we’re just idiots yelling into the void. I couldn’t care less what you do or don’t let me get away with
And would never considering supporting the RNLI
Quoting any member of that dodgy family is just another nail in the coffin of your questionable POV.
