Fergie47:
Interesting…if memory serves, wasn’t this something to do with FORD not being welcome in some M.E. countries, so they were badged differently…wasn’t it a similar problem with FODEN ? which meant something rude in Arabic ■■?
Didn’t Ford translate to ■■■■?
Fergie47:
Interesting…if memory serves, wasn’t this something to do with FORD not being welcome in some M.E. countries, so they were badged differently…wasn’t it a similar problem with FODEN ? which meant something rude in Arabic ■■?
Fergie I think it was Portugal which Foden had problems with the name so it called a PODEN as in the picture
cheers Johnnie
Saviem:
sammyopisite:
Saviem finding a picture of a Bussing / M A N tractor unit is more difficult than finding a Guy Big J with a 240 Gardner
Cheers Johnnie
Evening all,
Thanks Johnnie, that is the one with the Saviem cab, and the 11 litre. But there was an earlier one, with the big old Bussing cab, (similar to the Henschell one), that had air back and front. After the one you have shown was one with the F90 cab, underfloor 11 litre, but the rad was at the front, and the gearbox under the cab, so the drive went forwards, then backwards to the axle…though on the 4x4 version, it was an easy front axle drive!
MAN, were very innovative, remember the X serie, with the modular cab, like a box of Leggo…you could have the sleeper, under, over, or behind the driving position. Really breaking ground design, and MANs guys were very practical engineers, they never lost sight that their work was to produce an easy to drive, economic to operate, and competitive priced machine.
The F90 cab “unterfloor” came directly after that concept. Personally I rated MAN/Bussing designs and products, we ran a 240 that did over 2 million miles without really costing a lot, and I had some F90s that stood up to a lot of stick, and never broke down…but that’s another story.
Thanks for the picture,
Cheerio for now…and the big V10 6x4s…boy, what lorries they were…
Saviem I am not able to find a picture of a tractor unit ( and there was more of them than Big Js with a percy 240 ) but is this the model you were referring too
cheers Johnnie
Hey, Of this Büssings U12000 were only a handfull built. It had an Unterflur engine with about 180/200hp.
It was forbidden of a complaint of MB because they couldn’t build a equal 
. And MB had a big hand in law
(money and political friend you know )
So all were converted for cranes.
Here a pic of the only one which was sold to Belgium new and probable the only one outside
Germany, for the breweries Alken now Alken Maes.
Pics, on his way to Belgium and on the Brussels motor show of '52/'53.
Eric,
Welcome Patrick…to the “French side”… Great photos…I was going to this years locomotion and taking a friends F89, however, as you probably know, it got cancelled…just my luck…un autre fois peut-etre… 
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Thanks for the welcome mate, I was planning to visit this years edition as well, but I don’t know what the reason was for the cancel…?
Hopefully they will be setting thing’s up for the 2016 edition…
Davidoff:
pv83:
Hiya,I’ve been going through this thread and I must say, there’s some wisdom here
I’ve been going up and down in France for the last 9 odd years with heavy and wide loads and it’s always a pleasure to stop at the end of the day at a routier… And some of them have got some real old photographs hanging on the wall of the “good old times”, which triggered my interest in old french marques.
It wasn’t untill last year that I really came face to face with some stunning beauty’s (and I’m not talking about those beautifal mademoiselles) at the locomotion en fete, just south of Paris, it turned out to be one of the best weekends in my life… Nice people, good food, weather wasn’t to bad, what more can a man wish for eh.
Cheers, Patrick
Hi Patrick
Welcome on this forum.
How interesting! We missed each other at Locomotion 2014 (the last - very rainy - edition to date, 2015 didn’t happen unfortunately).
I posted this thread on the very same subject: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=115679&hilit=locomotionWe took much the same pictures
There were some beauties there
Cheers
David
Hiya David,
Funny we didn’t bumped into one another, 'cause I’ve been talking to that Scammell lad (Terry was it?). Didn’t know that you owned that stunning looking Scania… Star off the show was, for me, the greenish wrecker Berliet, what a mighty machine to behold… Oh and that stunning looking Scammell of course 
pv83:
Welcome Patrick…to the “French side”… Great photos…I was going to this years locomotion and taking a friends F89, however, as you probably know, it got cancelled…just my luck…un autre fois peut-etre…
Thanks for the welcome mate, I was planning to visit this years edition as well, but I don’t know what the reason was for the cancel…?
Hopefully they will be setting thing’s up for the 2016 edition…
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Don’t think it will be next year, the venue site has been compromised I think…David Junior Davidoff will be the best to answer… but I will keep an eye open in the French mags as well…just in case…
Fergie47:
pv83:
Welcome Patrick…to the “French side”… Great photos…I was going to this years locomotion and taking a friends F89, however, as you probably know, it got cancelled…just my luck…un autre fois peut-etre…Thanks for the welcome mate, I was planning to visit this years edition as well, but I don’t know what the reason was for the cancel…?
Hopefully they will be setting thing’s up for the 2016 edition…
Don’t think it will be next year, the venue site has been compromised I think…David Junior Davidoff will be the best to answer… but I will keep an eye open in the French mags as well…just in case…
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Hello David Senior and all,
Indeed Locomotion 2015 was a bit of a sad story.
The 2014 location where Patrick took his pictures is actually an airstrip - l’aérodrome de la Ferté-Allais, South East of Paris. When I got in touch with the organisers in Dec 2014 they informed me that the landlord decided he would not renew the lease for the 2015 edition. Allegedly due to an unwanted and aggressive gypsie settlement of the premises and also because of the ever-increasing legislative burden on safety, compliance audits, etc.
So the organisers tried to fast-track the organisation of an alternative location, namely a nearby-located military airfield. Sadly, this location being still in active usage, the ministry of defence and the interior ministry could not agree on the terms of the permit and it ended up bogging down then cancelled altogether.
Rumours flying around these days that it simply won’t happen again, once you lose momentum in these things other gatherings take over and it’s hard to regain your place in collectors’ hearts (and diaries!).
Reality is - it is now November and there have been no signs at all. We heard of Locomotion 2014 as early as Oct 2013, most had been arranged by then.
Definitely no early signs of a renewed Locomotion event taking shape. I hope my theory is wrong, we really had a cracking time in a very good atmosphere, despite the weather which you can tell from Patrick’s pictures. I do admit to having used my webasto all three nights, it went down to 11c…
Have a good warm night everyone. I am off to a last single malt. Maybe a little Laphroaig
Cheers
David
pv83:
Davidoff:
pv83:
Hiya,I’ve been going through this thread and I must say, there’s some wisdom here
It wasn’t untill last year that I really came face to face with some stunning beauty’s (and I’m not talking about those beautifal mademoisellesCheers, Patrick
Hi Patrick
Welcome on this forum.
How interesting! We missed each other at Locomotion 2014 (the last - very rainy - edition to date, 2015 didn’t happen unfortunately).
I posted this thread on the very same subject: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=115679&hilit=locomotionWe took much the same pictures
Cheers
DavidHiya David,
Funny we didn’t bumped into one another, 'cause I’ve been talking to that Scammell lad (Terry was it?). Didn’t know that you owned that stunning looking Scania… Star off the show was, for me, the greenish wrecker Berliet, what a mighty machine to behold… Oh and that stunning looking Scammell of course
Those are beautiful pictures Patrick.
I am not sure how familiar you are with this model, it is a Berliet TBO15, I understand they a large Berliet 15-liter straight-6 320hp engine, making it the most powerful long-nosed Berliet ever, except of course the off-road/super-heavy T100 but of that one only 4 were ever built of which one in preservation in the Fondation Berliet.
You might notice on some of your pictures that right next to the green TBO15 was Thierry with his beautiful Berliet TR280 (Transorts Laurentais SARL), the exact same as mentioned on page 57 of this thread.
There was a remarkable line-up at that gathering. André Bonnifay was there with his Willèmes (you took several shots of his lorries), but also another perhaps less talked-about collector but who is gradually building up a remarkable collection: Norbert Freret.
Here is his line-up consisting of a 2nd generation Berliet TR305, an F88, then an F16. His living quarters (a former reefer) were behind these three, hooked up to an F1220.
All his lorries carry his firm’s livery except his latest acquisition which he restored last winter and put back into Renault’s original livery of that particular model, a Renault R370 TURBOLEADER. A magnificent vehicle which unfortunately I have not yet been able to assess myself.
You mentioned Terry and his Scammell Patrick, and I told you we had been down to Périgord together.
Here we were on our way down the day after Locomotion 2014, having spent the night at L’Escale near Châteauroux.
And the same line-up two months ago on Shap during the ■■■■■■■ trunk!
This was Sept 6th this year, just 2 Months ago. cracking time we had.
Click on the picture and it will behave itself…
This is Glenn with his F12, carrying the 111 which he has nearly finished restoring in T. Brady’s livery.
It is a stunningly beautiful location, much helped by the weather too…
More photos from the ■■■■■■■■■■ Run, courtesy of my brother Andy.
The first two were taken outside my house on Abbey Road, Barrow. Glenn was up with the tape measure at Carnforth, worrying about getting under Salthouse Bridge - he must have made it, the headboard’s still on the Scania!
The third one is at the top of Lindale Hill.
This link takes you to a further selection on his Flickr site:
flickr.com/photos/andrewash … otostream/
John
None rarer than this motor,a Shew in fact the only surviving example from the Sedan Auto-Car Syndicate Ltd and originally of 51 Lichfield St. Wolverhampton later moving Burnt Tree Engineering Works at Tipton. Story here beamishtransportonline.co.uk/201 … ving-shew/
Oily
An older example of a Cottard cab based on a Somua.(1953)
michel:
An older example of a Cottard cab based on a Somua.(1953)
That cab is far more elegant than the later version, IMO. The ones posted earlier appears to be a “Boule” with a Somua front panel grafted on:
Evening all,
Well, its a bit of an unsteady one, as today has been the day that I decided to throw a sort of “thank you” Barbeque for the lads and lasses, from Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, et al, who have been working on my neighbours farm, and when I went “crock” earlier in the year came, (without asking), and helped us out, and quite honestly saved our crops. No thought about payment, (but I did pay them), just helping someone out who had in the past helped them…and I really owe them a lot. Its been a great day, and the singing, that is still coming across from the bonfire in the meadow opposite is really magical…but Ive been told to go to my bed…so Im here , and with a “medicinal” Bollinger at my side have turned to the lorries again…
Fergie, Davidoff, Michel, Oilly, anorak, thank you all for your posts, and welcome to Patrick, far too much for me to answer tonight, Im afraid that Im getting slower, but the passion still burns within…and none more so than for the French “Hors Code” Heavy Haulers. I spent a very long time working with some of Frances best known companys, I was fascinated by their equipment, and the sheer diversity of approach to the job. Like in the UK, very big weights were moved safely by quite low powered vehicles, “its all in the gearing” Robert Marchal, the Chief Mechanic of Transports Mayer of Nancy once said to me as I watched a single Berliet TBO 300 hp, 15 litre with a gross design weight of 55 tonnes, slowly move a 110 tonne payload Boiler, sitting on a Nicolas 4 axle semi trailer without any problem. Jacques Mayer just smiled, and said “nearly as good as a Scammell”?
Those TBO`s were some lorry, even if powered by the original Berliet MDO 3M, (the M stood for the use of the MAN combustion system…a major improvement over the original, (but crisper sounding) Ricardo injection.). 140 X 160MM, 14780cc, giving 240 hp @1800 rpm, twin disc 16 LF clutch, with a Berliet FBO 10 speed transmission…but you could go wild and have the 300hp version, with a turbocharger, …Oh did I mention that this was in 1958■■?
But that lorry on Patricks pictures, and Davids explanation to my old eyes she looks like an TBO 15M 6X4 4.95, a very rare 1959 version of the TBO15, having a gross weight of 45000kgs…But gvws never meant anything to Frances heavy hitters! But as such she would have had installed the original 14.780 litre MDO 3M engine, and if as David says she is at 320 hp, then she is fitted with the (1967-1973), MS640A version of the Turbo, 14.780cc engine @320 hp, and that needed the bigger clutch assembly from Borg and Beck. As did those versions of the TBOs that were repowered by ■■■■■■■ 335s, often with the change over to a Clark Auto box.
Wonderful lorry those TBO`s, and there was a “Code” version @35 tonnes, the TL15M, (easily identified by having four headlights in the bumper bar, and being, (in the main), a 4x2…but what a nose…that 15 litre really needed a big radiator to keep it cool…and it was big, even on the last ones with the adapted M3 “Relax cab”, …some prefer the look of those…but me…I like the brutal originals…and what a lorry…
I think that another Bollinger is called for…
Just to remember how many had that enormous carbuncle of an air cleaner stuck out in the breeze on the righthand side…No wonder they needed clean air, at the weights that they handled!!!
Cheerio for now.
Bonjour Gentlemen,
This weekend my mate Julien has been busy again!
An ad appeared some 3 weeks ago offering for sale a Renault R390 Turboleader which had clocked 1 million km but was reportedly in excellent condition. The owner indicated that he was willing to offer the truck at a good price provided it would be kept in preservation on French soil. In other words any resale to African-bound traders is not permitted. Obviously music to Julien’s ears.
This R390 (which if I understand correctly dates from approximately 1987) will be a really nice addition to Julien’s collection for he already owns its direct predecessor, the R360 le Centaure, the blue one which I posted on here earlier.
These shots were taken yesterday.
Equally likeable is his IVECO 190.38 Turbostar tractive unit - naturally equipped with a Fuller gearbox which IVECO offered as an option alongside the standard 16-speed ZF.
The transfer went extremely well, both the Turboleader and Turbostar seem in excellent condition.
I will keep you posted as he progresses with the cleanup and first impressions once on the road.
Cheers
David
Berliet TBO 15 with turbo engine from heavy haulage company Mayer.
Super photos as usual Michel.
I’m intrigued that the 15 litre engine was available in a 4 wheel chassis. A 300bhp “camion ordinaire” in 1958? Were any sold?
Yes, they sold not a lot but they were common especially in haulage company who overloaded…
One fine example preserved in South-West of France.
