Saviem's fan club (Part 1)

[fergie47]

Wagons with their drivers… Don’t forget to click on pic for full view…

[fergie47]

Another STG F88… with the later F12 ( interesting combination ) in the white / yellow scheme.

[fergie47]

Swiss, narrow cabbed F12 ?

[harry_gill]

Hiya,
Are all the Frenchies “teapots” they all seem to stand with their hands on their hips.
thanks harry, long retired.

[retired_old_fart]

I’ve a feeling that the boys are all from Nancy, H.

[davidoff]

Fergie47:
Swiss, narrow cabbed F12 ?

Hi David,

That is in fact a second-generation CH230. Contemporary to the first F1220s, it was powdered by the same engine (TD120-series at 330 HP) and fulfilled a local Swiss regulation on width restrictions, max 2.30M.
This is already a second generation model (with the famous club-of-four cab) whereas the first generation was basically an F89 with F86 axles and Trilex rims.

Here is one. Take a close look at the mudguard. Way more narrow that the one you drove when you were young and handsome . The step to climb into the cabin is awkwardly tine, and slippery in wet / icy weather.

Bonne nuit

[fergie47]

Davidoff:

Fergie47:
Swiss, narrow cabbed F12 ?

Hi David,

That is in fact a second-generation CH230. Contemporary to the first F1220s, it was powdered by the same engine (TD120-series at 330 HP) and fulfilled a local Swiss regulation on width restrictions, max 2.30M.
This is already a second generation model (with the famous club-of-four cab) whereas the first generation was basically an F89 with F86 axles and Trilex rims.

Here is one. Take a close look at the mudguard. Way more narrow that the one you drove when you were young and handsome . The step to climb into the cabin is awkwardly tine, and slippery in wet / icy weather.
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Bonne nuit

Cheers Junior, I knew you’d know…'…that step on your 89 sure is narrow, never spotted that before, bet that has caused a few scraped shins over the years…

It’s 3.30 am, can’t sleep, so posting on T.N…sad init…Cordialements…Senior…

[saviem]

Morning all,

Totally agree with everyones comments regarding sharing bits and bobs, and just how much we can all learn from each other.

Fergies pictures of 3rd November show some operators lorries that are/were, very familiar to me. Perhaps I could enlarge on them?

That handsome Saviem SM 300TT of Societe F Guerraz - Nouki, from La Roche-sur-Foron, Haute Savoie, with its French spec Tri axle Fruehauf fridge, (that bogie spread almost removed the tyre scrub that we experienced with the UK tri axles, Ken Atkins, FB Atkins Derby, adopted it for his fleet on Trailor semis), exhibits the “Saviem Drivers Handbrake”…a big lump of rock behind the back wheels!!!

Just as John West reported from personal experience, the Saviem air handbrake could become quite ineffective. Mainly due to the power of the air cylinder, relayed to the rigid brake linkage via a rather “stretchy” cable system, that unless constantly adjusted, or replaced, simply became quite ineffective!!

But the same could not be said for the second generation MAN V8 D2658 M4 power plant, driving through a 10 speed synchro mesh Saviem 350 gearbox, to that ultra reliable MAN/Mercedes hub reduction rear axle. A far more economic specification to the earlier, “rorty torty” 14.96 litre 275 hp V8…although that really set the French market on fire!!!..And Noukis Ice Cream was quite nice......(but never as good as the Isle of Mans Davidsons!!!

That unusual sided Savoyard of Transports Marmeth of Nantura, Ain, is pulled by an early 70s SM 240 6 cylinder D2156 240 hp. Marmeth had been a very large Willeme user, who moved over to Saviem, and eventually were to operate one of the very last Saviem PS 30 tractors, unusually badged as a Renault. Marmeth did a lot of work for Soc SOLVAY the Chemical giant, hence the rather unusual looking trailer, (but what a tidy outfit to behold.

Personally, I always liked the look of the vehicles operated from Bretagne. None more so than the big Berliet fridges of Montroy based Charles Robin. Robin, also ran a few Saviems, including the one Fergie shows, with its Klegefrance fridge bodied unit and trailer. That looks like their SM300, although just looking at the image its hard to distinguish it from their 240 6 cylinder…but on their regular work to Italy, and Suisse, …well…guess which one would fly up the passes!..delivering the most delightful Cheese products of Bretagne, and Normandie!

That well worn SM240 of Groupe Picoty owned Auto Express Moderne, with its meat railer Fruehauf fridge looks to have done some miles, and that was the essence of those workhorse Saviems, they just were a comfortable no frills lorry to earn for the operator.

But Davids PX, now there is a long story…for another day I think…

Cheerio for now.

[tiptop495]

Davidoff:

Fergie47:
Swiss, narrow cabbed F12 ?

Hi David,

That is in fact a second-generation CH230. Contemporary to the first F1220s, it was powdered by the same engine (TD120-series at 330 HP) and fulfilled a local Swiss regulation on width restrictions, max 2.30M.
This is already a second generation model (with the famous club-of-four cab) whereas the first generation was basically an F89 with F86 axles and Trilex rims.

Here is one. Take a close look at the mudguard. Way more narrow that the one you drove when you were young and handsome . The step to climb into the cabin is awkwardly tine, and slippery in wet / icy weather.
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Bonne nuit

Hey Davidoff, looks like new, pitty it’s not in our yard. but no place any more) .

Eric,

[tiptop495]

Hey, Unic/OM sold in Germany as Fiat.
But someone know■■? was it a real UNIC or an OM ■■? they had some little differences.

Eric,

[tiptop495]

Hey, UNIC of Romania in Antwerp in the '60’s, in a time they had beter material as the Roman’s.

Eric,

[tiptop495]

Hey, last model Fiat 619T, the time of crazy cowboy driving day’s day and night in the motorway building period.

Eric,

[michel]

Saviem JL20 with Cottard cab in Alpes country.

[pete_smith]

michel:
Saviem JL20 with Cottard cab in Alpes country.

What a strange shaped door/rear quarter window, looks like a wider version of a mickey mouse Foden,what year would this motor be Michel? Cheer’s Pete

[pv83]

Hiya,

I’ve been going through this thread and I must say, there’s some wisdom here I’ve been going up and down in France for the last 9 odd years with heavy and wide loads and it’s always a pleasure to stop at the end of the day at a routier… And some of them have got some real old photographs hanging on the wall of the “good old times”, which triggered my interest in old french marques.
It wasn’t untill last year that I really came face to face with some stunning beauty’s (and I’m not talking about those beautifal mademoiselles ) at the locomotion en fete, just south of Paris, it turned out to be one of the best weekends in my life… Nice people, good food, weather wasn’t to bad, what more can a man wish for eh.

Cheers, Patrick

[fergie47]

pv83:
Hiya,

I’ve been going through this thread and I must say, there’s some wisdom here I’ve been going up and down in France for the last 9 odd years with heavy and wide loads and it’s always a pleasure to stop at the end of the day at a routier… And some of them have got some real old photographs hanging on the wall of the “good old times”, which triggered my interest in old french marques.
It wasn’t untill last year that I really came face to face with some stunning beauty’s (and I’m not talking about those beautifal mademoiselles ) at the locomotion en fete, just south of Paris, it turned out to be one of the best weekends in my life… Nice people, good food, weather wasn’t to bad, what more can a man wish for eh.

Cheers, Patrick

Welcome Patrick…to the “French side”… Great photos…I was going to this years locomotion and taking a friends F89, however, as you probably know, it got cancelled…just my luck…un autre fois peut-etre…

[davidoff]

tiptop495:

Davidoff:

Fergie47:
Swiss, narrow cabbed F12 ?

Hi David,

That is in fact a second-generation CH230. Contemporary to the first F1220s, it was powdered by the same engine (TD120-series at 330 HP) and fulfilled a local Swiss regulation on width restrictions, max 2.30M.
This is already a second generation model (with the famous club-of-four cab) whereas the first generation was basically an F89 with F86 axles and Trilex rims.

Here is one. Take a close look at the mudguard. Way more narrow that the one you drove when you were young and handsome . The step to climb into the cabin is awkwardly tine, and slippery in wet / icy weather.
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Bonne nuit

Hey Davidoff, looks like new, pitty it’s not in our yard. but no place any more) .

Eric,

Hi Eric,

Well that’s handy, because he is now in MY barn, so preserved awaiting full paintwork.
I don’t know why but I cannot find back the picture but will share later on when I find it back.

All the best

[davidoff]

pv83:
Hiya,

I’ve been going through this thread and I must say, there’s some wisdom here I’ve been going up and down in France for the last 9 odd years with heavy and wide loads and it’s always a pleasure to stop at the end of the day at a routier… And some of them have got some real old photographs hanging on the wall of the “good old times”, which triggered my interest in old french marques.
It wasn’t untill last year that I really came face to face with some stunning beauty’s (and I’m not talking about those beautifal mademoiselles ) at the locomotion en fete, just south of Paris, it turned out to be one of the best weekends in my life… Nice people, good food, weather wasn’t to bad, what more can a man wish for eh.

Cheers, Patrick

Hi Patrick

Welcome on this forum.
How interesting! We missed each other at Locomotion 2014 (the last - very rainy - edition to date, 2015 didn’t happen unfortunately).
I posted this thread on the very same subject: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=115679&hilit=locomotion

We took much the same pictures There were some beauties there

Cheers
David

[fergie47]

Some nice old wagons…

[fergie47]

Interesting…if memory serves, wasn’t this something to do with FORD not being welcome in some M.E. countries, so they were badged differently…wasn’t it a similar problem with FODEN ? which meant something rude in Arabic ■■?