Saviem's fan club (Part 1)

Evening all,

Well Robert, you may think that you would like a 9509 behind that lazy sounding, (but just like a straight 8 Gardner), very quick across the ground MAN V8, but the Saviem Dealer would rather you have the 10 speed GV350 synchromesh box, (quite a quick change, as good as the Volvo SR boxes, and a splitter), but that 12 speed…well actually its a Saint Nazaire built 13 speed Fuller…and didn’t it make those old girls into "Can Can Dancers…Crazy Horse, here I come!!! Now that`s the one you would have liked…and that Euro Cab…introduced in the 60s, and still good to go in the 80s, (and beyond as the F90 MAN cab), a real comfortable workplace to enjoy the view from!

Anorak, the last one of Fergies pictures is the actual lorry, the other two are a really well built model, obviously a talented builder, and it must have been scratch built. Beautifully balanced design, and back in 62, including Dunlop Discs and suspension......not forgetting the Gardner Licence built engine.........but Charbonneauxs beautiful “Television cab”, built by Pelpel, and such a spacious interior, and so quiet, Auto Express Moderne had several, on 4x2, and 6x4 Tractors, as well as his earlier more curvaceous design. Rene Bastier was always searching for a safe stable vehicle for his hanging meat loads, and that 8x4, unsuccessful as it was in gaining Government acceptance, was not the only Bernard in his fleet with Air suspension…But Groupe Picoty, AEMs eventual owner, had some fairly spectacular Saviems as well…but the real “show stoppers” were Bastiers much earlier Somua integral fridges, on 26 tonne 6x2 chassis, some with single tyred bogies, and sand dispensers infront of the drive axle!

Very interesting operator indeed,

Cheerio for now.

Thank you Saviem! And yes, that wasn’t a bad cab - though I only drove it in the MAN F8 form (with 13-speed Fuller!). Cheers, Robert

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anorak:
Is the rebuilt one full size, or a model? Either way, it is excellent.

Sorry Anorak, missed your post… As John said, it’s a beautiful scratch built model, by M. Eric Breyer, hats off to him…
He’s got some patience for sure. I built a cheap model of a GMC 6X6, took 3 years, almost finished it, got fed up though, took it into the garden and shot it… with a 12 bore…

Here are some more pic’s showing the quality and detail of this model…

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The famous STG…the old F89 original company colours, and one of today’s wagons…know which one I’d have… :unamused:

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Great contributions, as always, Fergie! Robert :smiley:

robert1952:
Great contributions, as always, Fergie! Robert :smiley:

Thanks Robert, appreciated… however, as I’ve said before, I only post the pic’s, it’s the like of you, John, Michel, and various other very knowledgeable people on here (to many to mention) that add the finite details that is of so much interest, so in return I thank all you “experts” for your invaluable contribution… You guys bring the pictures to life… :wink:

Fergie47:
SAVIEM’s seems to be the discussion of the week, here’s a few…

Hi Dave,

The gentleman working on his lorry with the cab up,looks like Thierry and his restored Berliet.

Regards
Richard

MaggieD:

Fergie47:
SAVIEM’s seems to be the discussion of the week, here’s a few…

Hi Dave,

The gentleman working on his lorry with the cab up,looks like Thierry and his restored Berliet.

Regards
Richard

You could well be right Richard, that unusual header tank will give it away…to the experts…a fair few Saviems had the column change, and that pic has a gear lever…

That could well be Thierry indeed. I know he broke down last spring whilst on his way to a show. Nothing major, a cooling pipe or something, but he had to turn around.
And the gear lever is further confirmation of a (i think non-Fuller) Berliet TR-series

Davidoff:
That could well be Thierry indeed. I know he broke down last spring whilst on his way to a show. Nothing major, a cooling pipe or something, but he had to turn around.
And the gear lever is further confirmation of a (i think non-Fuller) Berliet TR-series

There you go Junior, I post a pic saying I wasn’t sure if it was a Saviem, within a few posts not only do we have the actual truck, the name of the owner, but the reason he had the cab tilted in the first place, and why and when…brilliant…

Hope you and Veronique are both well, and not working too hard… :wink:

Fergie47:

Davidoff:
That could well be Thierry indeed. I know he broke down last spring whilst on his way to a show. Nothing major, a cooling pipe or something, but he had to turn around.
And the gear lever is further confirmation of a (i think non-Fuller) Berliet TR-series

There you go Junior, I post a pic saying I wasn’t sure if it was a Saviem, within a few posts not only do we have the actual truck, the name of the owner, but the reason he had the cab tilted in the first place, and why and when…brilliant…

Hope you and Veronique are both well, and not working too hard… :wink:

Hi Dave

Also contribution from 3 different Countries !!

Love to Liz see you soon
Regards
Richard

MaggieD:

Fergie47:

Davidoff:
That could well be Thierry indeed. I know he broke down last spring whilst on his way to a show. Nothing major, a cooling pipe or something, but he had to turn around.
And the gear lever is further confirmation of a (i think non-Fuller) Berliet TR-series

There you go Junior, I post a pic saying I wasn’t sure if it was a Saviem, within a few posts not only do we have the actual truck, the name of the owner, but the reason he had the cab tilted in the first place, and why and when…brilliant…

Hope you and Veronique are both well, and not working too hard… :wink:

Hi Dave

Also contribution from 3 different Countries !!

Love to Liz see you soon
Regards
Richard

That’s the other thing Richard, this thread truely is international, with post from all over Europe,
all in excellent English !!!

Bisous to Angie…

operated by Allwood Transport Cheltenham, (Don Griffiths, and the hard working, and great company, David Usher, (RIP), on behalf of Douglas Freight Services , Douglas Isle of Man, and supplied via Transports Jean L`Hariden, of Cap du Finisterre, ex Savifrance Rennes. Registered in the Isle of Man as 280MAN, and 281MAN, on black registration plates.

I was interested to see this reference to Douglas Freight Services. I worked for them during 1976/1977. I drove an f88. I liked that truck. It was powerful enough in the day and very reliable.

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Did trips to Dammam plus trailers from Iskenderun in Turkey, and Jeddah, based there, plus quite a few internals from Yanbu. As well as the F88 240, that I drove, they had an f89, which seized the back cylinder on the way to H4. The driver, whose name I can’t remember, dumped it and flew home from Amman. An unforgivable sin in my book!

They bought 2 blue Saviem LHDs. ( I don’t think these are the two mentioned by ‘Saviem’. While I was home one time, I was asked if I would fly to Istanbul and go to the border to help a driver who was stuck at Kapikule. I flew out and got to the border to find that he had miraculously just cleared. ( I can’t remember what the problem was. ) the driver was Geordie - and he was a Geordie. I drove us back to Istanbul and that was my first experience of a LHD Saviem with a ZF splitter, gear change on the column.

On my next trip, I was in the F88. Fred and Gerry, 2 Liverpudlians, had the Saviems and we ran together for several months, overland and within Saudi.

I later bought one of the Saviems and ran it successfully on internals for Caravan for a couple of years. Apart from the fact that the radiator was too small for the Saudi summer sun, it was a reliable tractor unit of its time.

I have to say that the only thing I truly detested about the Saviem was the handbrake! It was useless. Even my old Mastiff, some 10 years earlier in technology terms was way ahead of this.

I’ve captured this photo from an earlier thread. You pulled it up, waited for the hiss of air that told you that it was on - and then put it in first gear with the engine stopped, because it wasn’t going to stop you going anywhere!

John

It would need a blooming good handbrake to hold on that hill in the last pic! :open_mouth: :laughing:

Pete.

windrush:
It would need a blooming good handbrake to hold on that hill in the last pic! :open_mouth: :laughing:

Pete.

Think that must have been taken on Taif! But it wouldn’t hold you on a 1 in 50!

John,

Hello Gentlemen

And cross-generational as well might I add…

I was delivered the same year that the 141 replaced the 140, many of you were already on the road when I was just a toddler. Although since then I have grown a bit that’s another story.

Funny how a handful of young nippers like myself developed a passion for the trucking world of the seventies. One thing we have in common - we like listening to the old hands. Those few I am lucky enough to know in person (Fergie47 for one) I find fascinating to listen to and spending time with.

Ok so much for niceties. Here is a picture I just came across on another website. I hasten to add that I have NO credit for this picture it was just downloaded from the web.

It is an interesting vehicle and apparently the ONLY one of its kind ever made.
You might remember that Berliet’s response to Volvo’s F-series Globetrotter introduced in 1977 was LE CENTAURE, which was based on Berliet’s TR/GR KB2400 cabin and hand-converted by bodywork specialist Lamberet. It could be made to order with all manners of personalised equipment. Truly a great and exclusive vehicle back in those days.
Now on the other hand, when SAVIEM and BERLIET were force-married under the Renault Véhicules Industriels umbrella, during a short period Berliet’s TR/GR350 (with Berliet’s big 15-lit. 356hp V8) were also marketed under the SAVIEM Brand as the PX40.

I am hearing from my friend Julien (who owns the last known authentic Centaure and is hugely knowledgeable on Berliet and Renault R-Series), that exactly ONE PX40 was ever sold in LE CENTAURE execution, of which you will find a picture below.

Monsieur SAVIEM, I wouldn’t be surprised if your vast knowledge also included some facts about this particular motor.

Fergie47:
Lastly today, what have these got in common.?

hey Fergie, About Pommé,Pommair, that’s the same company, the airplane history has helped to destroy the
whole haulage firm end of the '70’s.
You had the following companies.
Transport Pommé
Transport Charles Pommé
Trucktainer
Pommair
Transpommair.
And maybe some more.
I did driving for them as a assistent for about 3 - 4 times.
Now there is only one son with one lorry today, and his son.
In its time not a bad company to drive for.
They started after WW II.

Eric,

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sammyopisite:
Fergie I think the top picture of the tanker is an Automiesse and I am sure it is Belgium

like this one

cheers Johnnie :wink:

Hey Johnnie, you have right, and they were nearly only sold in Belgium, but tried the Nederlands marked.
Drive line, and cabs were bought in, as ■■■■■■■■ Gardner, Detroit,Fuller etc…
Cabs were the customers choise.
They build lots of buses too.
Closed about 1972, only a daughter left and got out of business.
The company turnover was to low too, in the days of big concurrency.

Eric,

tiptop495:

Fergie47:
Lastly today, what have these got in common.?

hey Fergie, About Pommé,Pommair, that’s the same company, the airplane history has helped to destroy the
whole haulage firm end of the '70’s.
You had the following companies.
Transport Pommé
Transport Charles Pommé
Trucktainer
Pommair
Transpommair.
And maybe some more.
I did driving for them as a assistent for about 3 - 4 times.
Now there is only one son with one lorry today, and his son.
In its time not a bad company to drive for.
They started after WW II.

Eric,

Thank you for the information Eric, very interesting…what a shame that it all finished, but we had many companies in the UK that did similar, not with aircraft, but getting into other things that they didn’t really know about, and they too finished…

Your english is very good Eric… :wink: