Hymm don’t know what this beavertail is, like the colour and the opening windscreen for aircon, cheers Buzzer.
That’s some roof extension on Giraud’s Turbostar! Robert
Saviem:
Evening all,Buzzer, that looks like one of Andre Giraude`s L serie Scanias to me…where was that shot taken? Andre ran those old L series’ for years and years…
Cheerio for now.
John, that was me driving the F12 ( although not my motor) and as MaggieD said, its in Nicola, Paris…
I remember talking to the driver…but can"t remember where he was from… …he was loading though, as the delivery point was on the other side of the factory, off the main D4…I guess for some bottling plant somewhere in Europe
Its all a long time ago !!
Remember these ? depots in various European ports, as well as the UK
Buzzer:
Hymm don’t know what this beavertail is, like the colour and the opening windscreen for aircon, cheers Buzzer.
COULD be a Latil Buzzer…John or Michel, the French proffesors will know for sure…
The lorry is a Berliet GLB 4x4 with Herwaythorn axle. One other example with a less powerful engine ,that explains the different grille.
Michel thanks for the info as ever, Buzzer.
So, Michel, the extra engine sticks out of the front, not out of the back of the cab, as in a 240 Gardner-engined Big J?
Normally,the engine is a 5 liter but on the yellow one it’s a 6,3 L so it needs more space and bigger radiator.
Afternoon all,
Anorak, that is an interesting find. Done totally at the behest of Tony Wilding, who was very interested in the products available in Europe during the time he was technical Editor.
A well qualified Engineer, he finished his working days at Concorde Road, Acton, alongside that most urbane, and Gentleman like Jay Cooper, (ex AEC), running the Fiat Industrial Engine operation.
Tony was delightful company, and his concise road tests were always a delight to read…but he really was a nightmare if your product had faults…he never missed them!
He helped me convert the lighting on a Fiat X19, that I had purchased for my good lady, so that the Fog lights would come on with side lights only…peculiar how things stick in ones mind. Gosh we did laugh about different manufacturers products!!!
Nice little lorries those SGs, and cheap to run as well!
Cheerio for now.
Saviem SG4:
Buzzer:
Hymm don’t know what this beavertail is, like the colour and the opening windscreen for aircon, cheers Buzzer.
Evening all,
Gentlemen, thank you for your kind comments, but it is your posts that get me thinking…and you can really hear the rusty wheels turning!
Buzzer, that is an interesting picture, and thank you Michel for the explanation, may I put a few lines together regarding Herwaythorne, of Rue de Malte, Paris, and their specialities.
With both Buzzers picture, and michels of the 4x4 GLB, we are looking at products of the 50s, and perhaps Berliets emergence into the position as Frances premier manufacturer of lorries, (in terms of sheer volume). Berliet took advantage of the end of the “Pons Plan”, (a National planning to segregate various manufacturers into production units to supply a particular segment of the market, in order that the re-birth of French Industry, post WW2, had some order and method), to revise its old model range into an assault on the total market, in all its segments, and achieve dominance. The “new” " Code of the Road", gave various weight segments for fiscal taxation…and Berliet sought to provide product for each segment…
“In all its segments”…how?..by creating such a complex, and diverse range of product, that the factory at Vennisieux struggled to build the volume, and diverse model range required, because as well as replacing the older models, Berliet chose to keep on producing them alongside the new ones as well! A trait that persisted into the 70s, and along the way necessitated their “rescue” from commercial ruin by initially Michelin, (via its Citroen subsidiary…did you know that Venissieux also built Citroen commercials?), and then in `75, by the Regie Renault, via its Saviem subsidiary.
Yet the 50s products perhaps were perhaps the golden age of Berliet. Some of Venissieuxs best remembered models came about under the leadership of , (newly released from Prison, to rescue “his”, disasterously mismanaged Nationalised company), Paul Berliet. The elegant long nosed GLC, GLR, and TLR , and TLMs, with the 4, cylinder 6.3 litre 95hp, MBX, or the 5 cylinder 120 hp MDU, and the oh so reliable 6 cylinder 9.5 litre 150 hp Ricardo diesels. No wonder the 1953 Paris Salon had Berliet as the centrepiece!
But there were more mundane models, the little forward control GLB, with either its little 4 cylinder 4.9 litre 95hp engine in petrol, or diesel form…for the block was common as were a number of other components powering this little 4 speed 9 or 13 tonner…but how about the off road market…
Step in Paris based Soc. Herwaythorn. Specialists in converting standard vehicles into…anything you wished for!
Herwaythorn were agents for Detroit USAs Thornton Tandem drive conversions, as well as Ohio based Hercules Steel Tipping bodies, and Indiana based Wayne Bodyworks steel Bus and coach bodies. For a long time they had converted the Citroen U23 petrol and diesels, (often a retro fit Perkins), into 6x4s…upping the payload from 4, to 10 tonnes…at 90hp!!!
For Berliet the standard conversion was to become the GLB 5, at 10.500 Kgs, and the GLB 19 at 9.800 kgs. The GLB 5 having the Berliet MDJ 4.9 litre 110x 130 mm engine in 75hp diesel version, and the GLB 19 the MKY petrol version @ 90hp. Both driving via a Berliet 4 speed HBJ gearbox, and Herwaythorne 2 speed transfer box, with a Herwaythorn front axle based on the Berliet HPAD rear axle.
There was also a 6x6 version based on the GLB, the GLB 5 HWT with the 75 hp diesel, and the rear bogie incorporating Eaton two speed drive. Much needed with 75hp, and a gross weight of 12 tonnes…but Herwaythorns reduction box had some rather low ratios in it!
A similar conversion was completed for Renault on its 2152 Gallion range, and of course this became a Saviem in 1955. But quite often the conversions of Herwaythorne are confused with those of Sinpar, the latter completing more for Saviem. The Herwaythorne hubs are quite distinctive, and an easy giveaway to the identity of the converter. Many examples of these conversions naturally found there way to North Africa, Algeria, and Libya in particular, both as lorries, and buses, on both Citroen, and Berliet bases. And of course perhaps Berliets best known lorry, the 6x6"Berber", GBC8KT, military loadcarrier, capable of 100 degree ascent, and descent, and a fording depth of over 1.5 metres, had Herwaythorne transfer box and front axle, and over 16000 of these most reliable lorries were produced, (and many, with their angular Charbonneaux designed cab are still running today)!!!
Amazing how these photographs trigger the memories!
Cheerio for now.
An example of a GLB with Herwaythorn conversion in 6x4 with a “multitipper”.
Buzzer:
Neat little motor, Buzzer.
I can remember driving one like this in 1982 when I did the grape-picking at Vidauban in Var. The patron borrowed it from the local scrapyard and we used it to shuttle the grapes back to the cave from some out-lying fields. It was a bugger to start and had very poor brakes, no lights or indicators. On the very last load; it broke a half-shaft, reversing up the ramp to tip the grapes. The chef pushed it up with one of the McCormick tractors and then towed me and the lorry back to the junk-yard. I bet its still there.
I enjoyed the vendenge, not that I picked any grapes. I was the only one of the crew who could reverse a tractor and trailer and got the driving job. The vineyards were right beside the A8 and I spent most of my time looking at the lorries going up and down. The only big outfit that I remember in the area was a fleet of red artic tippers from Draguignon. The Domaine had a pair of narrow-track McCormick viticulture tractors with matching red benne trailers. The wine was terrible and they went for quantity rather than quality. I remember dark-red L. Giraud tankers came and took it away. There were 23 in the crew and we were given 35 litres a day; the English and Irish lads made sure it was always finished every night.
This is the tractor and wine thread?
Well it was definitely hit the fan down south today or rather two vertical beaters rotating at breakneck speed anyway, another autumn task completed, Buzzer.
that looks to be a vast improvement on the old type sreaders with the horizontal beaters that seemed to chuck most of it at the back of your neck .
