Just another evoc camion Francais. Robert
robert1952:
Just another evoc camion Francais. Robert0
Morning all,
Chris, 35 litres a day■■? By gum, you must have very hollow legs!!! For a long time I had “digs” at a little farm just outside Pont l`Eveque, and at Hay making I would lend a hand…reward was lots of food…and as much raw Cider that you could consume, and of course the “off farm” Calvados…achind muscles no problem…but the head…oh heck!
Robert, that Willeme LD was one of the many run by the Wauthier family from Carvin. They had an eclectic taste in lorries, and also in colour schemes, that handsome red and white soon gave way to a vivid purple…then the LDs had Detroit diesel transplants, as well as ■■■■■■■■ Heck, they used to fly, up and down the Seine valley, doing similar tank work to Loheac…but at higher speed!
Then came the Peterbilt, 4x2s, and Kenworths 6x4s, and the importation of chassis from the US, Bruno, Daniel, and Peter, (can never spell his Polish surname, but great company)! Interesting company, but it always rained when I was there!!
Buzzer, when you look at the kit that Contractors use, it never ceases to amaze me how little they charge, no wonder they work quickly!!!
Have a good day,
Cheerio for now.
Just a quick thought, while I was drinking my Café, (sans Calvados)! Chris, those red tippers that you used to see could have been from the fleet of Bonifay down in Toulon. Fascinating, and very substantial quarry, and building materials company. Ran a lot of Magirus back in the late 70s, early 80s. Ran some quite specialised kit, and have a real Aladdins cave of a DIY warehouse down in Toulon, you could spend hours in there, and still find things of interest!!
Cheerio for now.
These for you Mr Saviem, taken by my late very good friend Ronnie Cameron at Kirkby Stephen 2010, came across them quite by chance when looking through his collection today.
Oily
rigsby:
that looks to be a vast improvement on the old type sreaders with the horizontal beaters that seemed to chuck most of it at the back of your neck .
Another toil task I disliked as a youth and teenager on the farm, holidays, evenings and Saturdays, no Sunday work except feeding and mucking out indoor livestock during winter months. Loading the cart from the midden using a graip(4 tine fork) then out to the field and it may have been a load o’ dung but precision had to be observed ie, space pacing the heaps pulled off the back with a drag fork. I remember quite clearly the instructions after being planted on the seat of a Fordson N, having been lined up by my tutor(taskmaster), “see that fence post wi’ the bucket on it at the end o’ the field, get yer heid doon and line up the radiator cap, stop and go when I tell ye” result a straight line and believe it or not the when finished the uniform size heaps were in perfect lines up down, across and diagonal. Then came the bloody monotonous and hard work of spreading it with a hand fork, the good old days 
well looking back since yes 
it was part of my life education outside of any school curriculum.
Oily
When I was a nipper Oily we were a bit more advanced and had a Bamford muck spreader with a chain and bar system moving the load towards the rear where it cam in contact with a row of beaters the last being a cauliflower flinger and as Rigsby stated you could get caught by an unauthorised bit of FYM if you were unlucky. Good machine in its day until the chain broke that pulled the load to the back,then it was empty by hand and repair a right messy job especially if it was neat chicken ■■■ out of the battery hens that we used to keep, Buzzer.
oiltreader:
These for you Mr Saviem, taken by my late very good friend Ronnie Cameron at Kirkby Stephen 2010, came across them quite by chance when looking through his collection today.
Oily
Morning all,
Oilly, thank you for that! She is doing a few miles now, was out with her yesterday, pants a bit on the uphill…and frightens the life out of you on the downhill…but really is a smile a mile, though on our lanes she gets a bit dirty, (but its a lot safer than the main roads)! She will do 28 comfortably, but is happier at 25…amazing how far you can go without touching a main road.
Bomford chain drive spreaders…the Devils friend…put a good load on, and the chain broke…a little lighter…and you had better wear a hat…Buzzer, chicken “manure”…brother what an undesirable load…Amonia smell…horrible! Used a lot when the authorities were “greening” the old pit tips…sold one of my little Ferrari, (BCS), diesel 4x4s to a lad doing that job…still no cab, and 45 degree slope…brave lad!
Fergie, those RN pictures really make me long for France, I loved to travel them, shame how individualism of each countries vehicles has now gone with Euro superstate legislation…remember those Bussing, (and later MAN) underfloor tractors? (Not the rigids), air, front and back, and a real chunky cab, (pre the Saviem one). I always liked MANs product.
Cheerio for now.
oh the delights of chicken muck ! my first driving job on a j type bedford for a local farm supply company . " just pop up to higher disley to the chicken farm and fetch a load of muck for the yard extension ." so off i toddle , get there to see a monumental pile of ■■■ , no tractor or any such luxury, out with the trusty shovel ( i did wonder why they gave me an aluminium grain shovel ) set to and load said ■■■ , of course the farmer was away on important business , and eventually return to the yard to tip as instructed . " you’ll just have time to do another , but don’t hang about as you’ve got 5 deliveries after dinner " . i didn’t last long at that job !dave
I, too, had the luxury of a chain & bar muck spreader, but a neighbour, who was into money-saving rather than accuracy, used to dump his muck across the field with a tipping trailer, then spread it (a bit!) by driving over the heaps at a fairly rapid pace with a set of chain harrows behind a Perkins P6-engined Nuffield.
Saviem finding a picture of a Bussing / M A N tractor unit is more difficult than finding a Guy Big J with a 240 Gardner 
as I did a search a couple of years back and this was the only one ( from a German site ) I could find as I recall seeing a few about mostly Bussing with the extended roof cab. There is quite a few pictures of 4 and 6 wheel wagons with the under floor engine but this was the only one I could find of a tractor unit
Cheers Johnnie
sammyopisite:
Saviem finding a picture of a Bussing / M A N tractor unit is more difficult than finding a Guy Big J with a 240 GardnerCheers Johnnie
Evening all,
Thanks Johnnie, that is the one with the Saviem cab, and the 11 litre. But there was an earlier one, with the big old Bussing cab, (similar to the Henschell one), that had air back and front. After the one you have shown was one with the F90 cab, underfloor 11 litre, but the rad was at the front, and the gearbox under the cab, so the drive went forwards, then backwards to the axle…though on the 4x4 version, it was an easy front axle drive!
MAN, were very innovative, remember the X serie, with the modular cab, like a box of Leggo…you could have the sleeper, under, over, or behind the driving position. Really breaking ground design, and MANs guys were very practical engineers, they never lost sight that their work was to produce an easy to drive, economic to operate, and competitive priced machine.
The F90 cab “unterfloor” came directly after that concept. Personally I rated MAN/Bussing designs and products, we ran a 240 that did over 2 million miles without really costing a lot, and I had some F90s that stood up to a lot of stick, and never broke down…but that’s another story.
Thanks for the picture,
Cheerio for now…and the big V10 6x4s…boy, what lorries they were…
Evening all,
So we are going to have power cuts this winter…
Due to this media missive, I am, on this lovely autominal day dispatched to check that the generators that can power the farm do still work…of course they do…well the big one with a 4LW Grdner of veritable vintage surely does…but to hear her kick in is a delight to be enjoyed…so I did!!!
But the big Chinese B…, that powers the house, oh what abominable quality…so I spend most of a most pleasant day inside a dark shed struggling to understand what on earth the production engineers in China had copied in the first place, before removing any vestige of quality from the “Nixon” badged contraption…whose UK agent said, “how old”…“that is obsolete”…when last week I enquired about spares for the little demon!
But she now runs, but I think that her life is limited…and it will be another Gardner coming through the door …and age simply is no substitute for quality!
But, while ensconced in the dim and dark recesses, I remembered that Bussing Tractor unit of the 60s, it was the Commodore., the cab had a front similar to the ERF Continental, and had 4 bag air on the rear axle. Bussing had put air suspension on their lorries from 1957,by 1963, they had front disc brakes, and in 69 they introduced full air on all axle suspension…but Berliet had done the same with the Stradair middleweight in `65.
But the lorry that was right on my mind was the UXT 4x2 40 tonne tractor that was exhibited at Francfort in 1989, but whose history begins in 85/6, as a creation of MANs Research Director Gerhard Rieck…and his “Tango”…
What was created was a 3.5 metre wb 4x2, tractor, (although there were designs for a 6x2, and 4x4 version), fitted with a flat floor version of the Roadhaus cab, which gave greater headroom than the Renault Magnum, at 2.17 metres, and weighed in as a 420hp 4x2, at 7.87 tonnes full of fuel, ready to work at 40 tonnes.
The UXT defied conventional design, engine, clutch, gearbox, drive axle…being…gearbox, clutch, engine, with the drive gowing forward, then back on the right side of the engine, and to the rear axle…made the 4x4 conversion easy…and even the rear steer 6x2 worked well…(on paper)!!!
The specification, as I remember it…
D2866, 11.9 litre , 420hp@ 2000rpm, 176m/kg, @1100-1500rpm.
Clutch, Fichell et Sachs MFZ 430mm single disc
Gearbox, ZF EcoSplit, 16S 160, ES11 Electric pre select, with retarder.
Step height into the cavernous, and so quiet cab being a modest 420mm, and that enormous cab, stood only 3.85metres from the ground, and yet gave an internal height of 2.17 metres, across its flat floor, and 850mm wide bunks!
Rear Axle, MAN HY13.110 single reduction, with diff lock.
Front axle twin air bag
Rear axle 4 airbag, all WABCO ECAS.
Brakes, twin Girling Disc on front, rear drums. Tyres 295/80/R22.5s all round.
Weight distribution, (bare tractor), 65% front axle, 35% rear axle, (the norm for "conventional 4x2s being circ 67% front , 33% rear).
Quite some lorry…so whatever happened to it? Shown at Francfort in 89, were any ever sold? The only person that I know drove one was my old friend Andre Godeloup, and his over riding comment was that he could stand upright to trim his moustaches!!!..Some accolade indeed!
Fabulous engineers those MAN guys,
Cheerio for now.
I forgot…Tango…just like the steps of that exotic dance…(.so great to perform with a partner of your dreams)…the transmission runs in a U shape, forwards…then around and backwards…The Tango!..
Cheerio for now.
Hi all,
Great input again Monsieur SAVIEM. I had bee unable to visit TN for some weeks. The reading on page 54 about VIT’s inception I found particularly interesting, with the story of these two brothers Robert and Marcel Perissaguet.
Now you may remember my friend Julien whom I introduced to TN around July 2014, after la locomotion en Fête. This was the post we put up then: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=115679&hilit=locomotion. Well, Julien literally grew up in the world of trucking, even from before his birth (rumour has it that he was actually born in a Renault R390 V8 turboleader). His father spent a number of years driving for VIT. An avid collector, Julien has more than just his blue R360 V8 Le Centaure in his possession, he recently restored this magnificent Saviem SM280 and made her into an exact replica of the vehicle his father used to run in the 70s at VIT.
I visited Julien in September whilst on my way to the UK, and took some shots of that beauty.
As usual, the previews are in some cases on their side, but when you click on the pictures they should appear proper.
I secretly hope to convince him to join one or two UK runs next year (by the way I still need to post the pictures from this year’s ■■■■■■■ and Northumbria runs). But these machines (the old naturally-aspirated MAN V8) were hugely thirsty…
We’ll see…
In the last pic do I spy lurking in the background a 78 model JP75 my very best favorite of all time small lorry
I do believe it is a JP75 indeed, would need to check next time I am at Julien’s to be sure. He has a lot of interesting material lying about so one can easily lose sight of the detail!
Hi Saviem,
Not much left now,been a mill on this site since the 1600’s but not for much longer, Cheer’s Pete
Mr Radlmeier not far from Munich has a UXT in preservation as he hauls for MAN. Here one other more traditionnal along a true Bùssing built in Braunschweig.
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I,ve just received my latest issue of Heritage Commercials (a month behind )there is an article (letter)about the small Saviem Scammel type lorries … methinks it has traits of Monsieur Saviem but ■■? very interesting !!!