not really commenting on the sandy kidd affair but a policeman once commented to me that we do one of the only jobs were you can be punished for being a hard worker. 
Well done for condoning running bent buycrider. I don’t feel sorry for the Kydd drivers in the slightest, they broke the rules and knew they were doing it. They have to take the consequences for their actions.
It’s a good job that you didn’t mow down some little kid during your driving career through lack of sleep. You may not have but there are others out there who have…
Buycrider:
Scannyfanny:
The sad thing to see is another long standing and high-flying firm going down in the current climate. Yes I know Sandy Kydd is going down not for financial reasons but for being caught breaking the law in a big way and has been put out of business through this. He won’t come back…he has no name, no repute, no drivers, poor health…it’s too hard to come back with vosa breathing down his neck also, even if hiding behind a.n. other as the transport manager/owner so let’s leave him alone now.I.ve been following this thread since it first appeared. I have been sickened by so many posts which have done nothing but “put the boot in”, to Sandy Kydd, and his now out-of -work drivers.Talk about kicking a man when he is down.There are some on here who have nothing to learn on that score. The above post is one of just a few which show any sympathy whatsoever for Sandy Kydd and his staff.(Well said “Scannyfanny”). I do not know any of them personally. I would hazard a guess, that they are of what is sneeringly called “the old school”, by many on this site. I am proud to be one of them, now retired. My personal view always, was that I was working for my gaffer, he paid my wages, not the Ministry of Transport. I did whatever was required to get a load to where it wasto be delivered, at the time it was due there.I did not allow the Log Book, or the Tachograph regulations to get in my way.My driving career started on a Bedford 3 tonner, in Malaya in early 1950,s. It ended on a Daf95XF 360, (day cab with a pod on top), on International work, in 1999, During that time I got just 3 points on my license (for a tyre offence), in 1979.So much for “bent runners” being a menace on the road. I wish Sandy Kydd well, with his health problems.When his drivers get their licenses back, they will at least be able to put, “It is a matter of Public Record that I am a hard grafter”, on their CV.Good Luck to them also.
Hardly something to be proud off is it■■? Lets get one thing clear at least,… Drivers Hours Regs are not there to merely punish drivers and their evil employers…two main reasons are Road Safety AND Fair competition. Anyone who condones or sympathises with the Kydd case are simply supporting a company putting them and THIER companies out of work…its not rocket science is it■■?
Thank God you arent still on the road…the roads are safer and you arent undercutting an honest driver by ignoring the law.
Well the ban cant be instant because i passed 2 of them around stonehaven on my way up to abderdeen on friday,both running mini diggers of some sort.
I was shocked to seen them!! either the ban does’nt come into place for a bit or they are running regardless 
revocation effective from the 18th.
MacDoog:
Thank God you arent still on the road…the roads are safer and you arent undercutting an honest driver by ignoring the law.
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OOOH Mac!!. Ouch!! I was doing my bit when Britain was one of Europe, and the World,s premier trading nations. I and many like me ,were doing our bit to help maintain that status, by getting goods that were late in loading, to Ships that would not wait.In those days, there was more work, than there were waggons, and drivers to meet the demand.Nowadays Britain is not in that position. Today,s drivers and their bosses are suffering because of that. I take no pleasure from that. My signature states my case.
Buycrider:
MacDoog:
Thank God you arent still on the road…the roads are safer and you arent undercutting an honest driver by ignoring the law..
OOOH Mac!!. Ouch!! I was doing my bit when Britain was one of Europe, and the World,s premier trading nations. I and many like me ,were doing our bit to help maintain that status, by getting goods that were late in loading, to Ships that would not wait.In those days, there was more work, than there were waggons, and drivers to meet the demand.Nowadays Britain is not in that position. Today,s drivers and their bosses are suffering because of that. I take no pleasure from that. My signature states my case.
Todays drivers and companies arent suffering just because of the recession. Amongst other reasons the one we are talking about is illegal operators and their total disregard to road safety and FAIR COMPETITION.
Cowboy Haulier gives a quote of £200 to deliver a load because his drivers can do it in half the time, because they are running on energy drinks and willpower.
ABC Hauliers gives a quote of £400 because he actually runs his company correctly and fairly.
Whos going to get the job■■?
In the current legislation there is a facility to hold shipping companies, freight forwarders et al responsible for any charges of corporate manslaughter…its a shame its not followed up more.
There isnt a lot of work about at the moment so its particularly important to get that work to those operators who are running their companies under the Legislation and not to those operators that put financial gain before road safety.
So Sandy Kydd is going to bite the dust? And whose fault is that, Sandy and his crew for screwing the system, or VOSA for catching them?
VOSA need to do more, there are many doing the same thing, and i bet most of us could name at least one Company we know who is ‘pushing’ thier luck…
To my mind its a good thing, it does what it was always meant too do, get rid of the Cowboys…
Having said that,most of us coming up to and over 50 years old, will at some point have bent the rules, such as loading without a card in, then pulling outside for your daily rest, nothing too grim. Those on the fruit, will know what I mean, that job was always ‘varied’. Going 15 minutes overyour time to get home on a friday night, why did we do it? Because we could, Police would give you a slapped wrist, ministry (as it was then) would set up road blocks etc, CBs came alive and routes varied, and to be honest, it was a bit of fun, them and us, drivers stuck together more, because we were all in the same boat. And to be fair we had respect then for each other, the Police and the Ministry…Plus in those days, people were human, Ministry understood we were not parking up on a Friday, 15 miles from home, sure if we got caught overweight or had a fuse ‘missing’ then fair cop, it was a fine, nothing else…
Its a shame that now a days the job is being taken over by the holier than thou brats who think they know it all, most of em cant and wont have a laugh at the job, and most of em think that the traffic bosses should wipe thier noses for them, and fitters must change bulbs…
Sandy Kyd played the game, got caught and is paying the price, he aint the first, wont be the last… Tough, thats life, and im sure Sandy will feel that way as well.
All this recession will do is cull the weakest again, leaving the bib wearing do gooders working for Stobarts etc, in thier clinical jobs, sticking up for themselves and sod everyone else… This industry is going down the pan past…
While we are at it, someone have a look see to see how many of Sandys and Thorburns trucks have been involved in accidents, then compare that to firms like Tescos, Stobarts etc… Look in any of thier yards and there will be at least one motor in a corner awaiting new paintwork and panels… Brings a slightly different light on things does it not.
Scannyfanny:
Most of the Scania V8’s in this country have quite a bit (ahem!) more mileage on their engines than their speedos…if you get my drift. I would imagine if vosa had the resource to examine more firms every week to this level of detail there would be a lot more like Kydd’s going down.
now thats a bit of sweeping statement if ive ever read one and where do you get your evidence to back this up.
Coddy:
While we are at it, someone have a look see to see how many of Sandys and Thorburns trucks have been involved in accidents, then compare that to firms like Tescos, Stobarts etc… Look in any of thier yards and there will be at least one motor in a corner awaiting new paintwork and panels… Brings a slightly different light on things does it not.
That doesn’t shed any light on anything, 7 motors vs hundreds■■? one thing is apparent is that SK spent a lot of brass on his motors but couldn’t get the photocopier fixed/replaced, now that says a lot.
jessicas dad:
Scannyfanny:
Most of the Scania V8’s in this country have quite a bit (ahem!) more mileage on their engines than their speedos…if you get my drift. I would imagine if vosa had the resource to examine more firms every week to this level of detail there would be a lot more like Kydd’s going down.now thats a bit of sweeping statement if ive ever read one
V8 Scannys are bought by small to medium firms for their reliability, image and driver appeal, as well as their ability to cover well above average mileage, performance in pretty demanding terrain and their mile-munching ability in continental work…they’re also the tool of choice for handling (and easily hiding) high mileages. We’re not talking fleet motors run by multinationals. They flatten all of the hills literally, even when fully freighted, thereby saving time and getting the job done quicker or alternatively more distance in the same time as a fleet motor.
I have no evidence (obviously), just experience of said motors with several firms.
What’s your opinion, jessicas dad? You sound as though you disagree.
Im sure all of the people slaging this firm and drivers have done something in there carraer that must have broken the law wether it is creeping over 40 on a single carrage way rd or driving on a blank card you can still be nicked for it.
No one can say runing day and night is the right thing to do it is an unfair advantage and falling asleep at the wheel dont bear thinking about. Running badly maintained vehicles isnt right to but you only have to read the legal reports in the commercial motor everyweek too see there are firms running over hours or running trucks with defects and poor maintence. But they cant all be employing the same mythical pole who does twice as many hours for half the wages that so many drivers moan about.
Buycrider:
I.ve been following this thread since it first appeared. I have been sickened by so many posts which have done nothing but “put the boot in”, to Sandy Kydd, and his now out-of -work drivers.Talk about kicking a man when he is down.There are some on here who have nothing to learn on that score. The above post is one of just a few which show any sympathy whatsoever for Sandy Kydd and his staff.(Well said “Scannyfanny”). I do not know any of them personally. I would hazard a guess, that they are of what is sneeringly called “the old school”, by many on this site. I am proud to be one of them, now retired. My personal view always, was that I was working for my gaffer, he paid my wages, not the Ministry of Transport. I did whatever was required to get a load to where it wasto be delivered, at the time it was due there.I did not allow the Log Book, or the Tachograph regulations to get in my way.My driving career started on a Bedford 3 tonner, in Malaya in early 1950,s. It ended on a Daf95XF 360, (day cab with a pod on top), on International work, in 1999, During that time I got just 3 points on my license (for a tyre offence), in 1979.So much for “bent runners” being a menace on the road. I wish Sandy Kydd well, with his health problems.When his drivers get their licenses back, they will at least be able to put, “It is a matter of Public Record that I am a hard grafter”, on their CV.Good Luck to them also.
What about the poor drivers of the company that runs within the rules but goes bust because they can’t compete with the cowboys? Its nothing to do with kicking a man while he’s down, its about trying to get a fair and level playing field for all. Sorting the Europeans out would be a start but we’ve got to weed out our bad apples too.
Nobody is saying they are perfect but this company has been engaged in wholesale infringements of drivers rules and regulations. Thousands of missing KMS every month tells its own story. Your record tells us nothing other than ‘you got away with it’ - and in an era with drastically less traffic on the roads I might add. Its your generation and your 20hours/day driving that means the modern truck driver is policed so heavily and given no leeway with minor infringements they might have committed. Nobodys perfect but you have to at least TRY to comply with the rules don’t you?
Why companies keep on trying all this stuff is beyond me, VOSA are a lot bigger organisation than they were when it was the MOT. They are more on the ball. What is the problem with just doing things properley. I know its it’s a hard world but if you cant make money properley and by sticking to the rules then don’t bother. The more of these companies that get caught and get their O Licenses taken away the better for everyone. As for the drivers, yes they are probably just trying to make an extra few quid, but obviously the nice motors that they are driving have been the result of them running bent, I’ve got no sympathy for them. I also point to the fact that now and again I may make a mistake on my tacho, a genuine mistake like I did last week, left the wrong mode switch on when having a break - but the benefit of doubt I would get would be nothing because of these ‘drivers’ that think they are above the rules. Hope you all enjoyed driving your shiny motors for ex amount of hours a week because you wont be driving them soon, do you understand why now ■■?
[quote" I did whatever was required to get a load to where it was to be delivered, at the time it was due there.I did not allow the Log Book, or the Tachograph regulations to get in my way".(part of my original post).
hammer:
" Its your generation and your 20hours/day driving that means the modern truck driver is policed so heavily and given no leeway with minor infringements they might have committed"
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My generation “hammer”, is one which suffered the deprivation brought about by the Great Depression of the 1930,s, in which I was born. You want to hope and pray that this recession does not develope into anything resembling that.It was followed immediately by World War Two. I was 1 of 10 children. I know much better than you, or the majority on this site, what being “hard up”, really means. It left people of ,what you disparagingly call “your generation”, with a work ethic which put Loyalty to the employer, and the needs of the job, above everything else.I make no apology to either yourself, or Mr.MacVosa,or to anyone else on this site,for that. Work came first. Bollox to the rules and regulations.
What was once the “can do”, attitude which made this country what it once was, has now become the “I would if I could, but MacDoog ,and his fellow evangelists of VOSA; and the H&S Brigade will not let me”. attitude that shows itself in many of the posts on this site.
When I did “what was required”, it was usually after I had sat square wheeled at Gartcosh,Ravenscraig, Llanwern, Ebbw Vale, Scunny, or some other steelworks, for 6 0r 7, or even more, hours waiting to load steel plates and sections;Many of which were required urgently, and yesterday by the shipbuilding industry at Cammell Laird at Birkenhead, or Vickers Armstrong at Barrow-in-Furness,for their nuclear submarine programme.or up to Ardesier for the oil platform builders;or to some Metal Basher in Brum, who required it urgently. I did not do it every day, I did it “when required”.I have also, again “when required”,gone from John Summers at Shotton, to Norfrost at Castletown (Thurso),in one hit, as usual stopping whenever I felt like doing so.This was done during the time when the Grants were building up their freezer business,and they were in urgent need of a load of coated steel plate. All of this was being done after having all the kip that I needed, either before, during, or after I had finished that trip. Also, and most importantly, my then employer was no rate cutter.There was a going rate for the job. He did it for that.
My post was what I saw as fair comment on the number of kickings being doled out to Sandy Kydd and his drivers, by the TNUK, “on-line Bootboys”. Something else people of my generation believe in is this. Never kick a man when he is down.Only Bullies and Cowards do that.
You have your view. I am equally entitled to mine.E.O.S.
just thinking off the top of my head after reading this thread a couple of times…
i think mr sandy kydd has played a bit of a blinder really to be honest, the only thing is he has waited a bit too long.
my take on it is this, sandy kydd knew exactley what he was doing and has been waiting to get caught for quite sometime, now he has all top of the range equipment and trucks that are worth a boat load plus i should imagine he has quite a bit of land. now he was obviously chucking the drivers a bit extra for the jobs they were doing so they were happy.
now in my way of devils advocate is sandy was thinking… keep milking the industry as much as he could to get every penny he could out of it, the lorrys and plant will be worth quite abit that will still have good risidual value, land also can be sold of, drivers will be sacked for breaking hours offences so no reduncie pay. he will have taken into account the fine and maybe a bit of jail time which maybe a few months and come out to everything gone, dust settled and of to his villa in the sun.
what he didnt take into account was the dodgy ticker and the economic slowdown where his assets arent worth as much.
jessicas dad:
just thinking off the top of my head after reading this thread a couple of times…i think mr sandy kydd has played a bit of a blinder really to be honest, the only thing is he has waited a bit too long.
my take on it is this, sandy kydd knew exactley what he was doing and has been waiting to get caught for quite sometime, now he has all top of the range equipment and trucks that are worth a boat load plus i should imagine he has quite a bit of land. now he was obviously chucking the drivers a bit extra for the jobs they were doing so they were happy.
now in my way of devils advocate is sandy was thinking… keep milking the industry as much as he could to get every penny he could out of it, the lorrys and plant will be worth quite abit that will still have good risidual value, land also can be sold of, drivers will be sacked for breaking hours offences so no reduncie pay. he will have taken into account the fine and maybe a bit of jail time which maybe a few months and come out to everything gone, dust settled and of to his villa in the sun.
what he didnt take into account was the dodgy ticker and the economic slowdown where his assets arent worth as much.
So playing the devils advocate then it’s possible he could quite possibly of had every intention of getting caught. He knew what would happen, punishments etc and the fact if he did serve time inside he would be out within a couple of months etc and then could happily jet off to his villa in the sun for the rest of his life.
Maybe the heart problems set in because he didn’t realise how much of an interest VOSA would take in a road side tacho check? And his plan for retirement hadn’t been put into place yet so he was getting stressed??
Took me best part of the morning to read the TC report 
passed 1 going northbound A9 today about 13.00 dunkeld 