RTD 6 hour rule according to Vosa.
If you start work at 6 am and do
15 minutes check
2 hours drive
1 hour other work
1 hour drive
1 hour POA known about in advance
30 minutes other work
10 minutes cup of tea with warehouse chap (all I could manage) it was recorded as a break on the tacho
2 hours other work
1 hour drive
15 minutes debrief
When is the latest I can take my RTD break,(put it in the list and say why its there) and long would it need to be.
Personally I would have your half an hour just after the 1 hours drive before you put it on POA, so I would have 30 mins then put it on POA until you start your other work.
Kevwall:
Personally I would have your half an hour just after the 1 hours drive before you put it on POA, so I would have 30 mins then put it on POA until you start your other work.
Hi kevwall
it a trick question I do this allot on here. 
no sorry it as to be a hour POA can’t put it on break
Interesting,how come it has to be one hours POA? I thought it would be best to get your half hours break out the way so you cover yourself for your WTD?
15 minutes check
2 hours drive
1 hour other work
1 hour drive
1 hour POA known about in advance
30 minutes other work
10 minutes cup of tea with warehouse chap (all I could manage) it was recorded as a break on the tacho
2 hours other work = 15 mins break after 1 hour and 15 mins other work
1 hour drive
Second 15 mins because it would be daft to do it later and split up the debrief
15 minutes debrief
OR 30 mins could be done instead of the first 15 mins which means the second 15 is not required
Personally I would forget the 1 hour poa and put it on break which would have solved the issue
Kevwall:
Interesting,how come it has to be one hours POA? I thought it would be best to get your half hours break out the way so you cover yourself for your WTD?
the list is fixed you can not change a time of the POA, but you can fit it in into the list,
think of a clock and work though the list,
Just noticed did not say it was a quiz and as most know I sometimes get even them wrong 
Haha I see, so why can you not change when you have your POA?
delboytwo:
RTD 6 hour rule according to Vosa.If you start work at 6 am and do
15 minutes check
2 hours drive
1 hour other work
1 hour drive
1 hour POA known about in advance
30 minutes other work
10 minutes cup of tea with warehouse chap (all I could manage) it was recorded as a break on the tacho
2 hours other work (12.55) 15 minutes
1 hour drive
15 minutes debriefWhen is the latest I can take my RTD break,(put it in the list and say why its there) and long would it need to be.
Wheel Nut:
delboytwo:
RTD 6 hour rule according to Vosa.If you start work at 6 am and do
15 minutes check
2 hours drive
1 hour other work
1 hour drive
1 hour POA known about in advance
30 minutes other work
10 minutes cup of tea with warehouse chap (all I could manage) it was recorded as a break on the tacho
2 hours other work (12.55) 15 minutes
1 hour drive
15 minutes debriefWhen is the latest I can take my RTD break,(put it in the list and say why its there) and long would it need to be.
what about the other 15 minutes 
I think that I could take my RTD break at latest 31 minutes before I go home if I wanted to, and have 30 minutes, according to vosa that is in that situation I have listed 
puzzle that one
delboytwo:
RTD 6 hour rule according to Vosa.If you start work at 6 am and do
15 minutes check
2 hours drive
1 hour other work
1 hour drive
1 hour POA known about in advance
30 minutes other work
10 minutes cup of tea with warehouse chap (all I could manage) it was recorded as a break on the tacho
1 hour 15 other work
RTD break, 6 hours worked, minimum 15 minutes but may as well take 30
45 minutes other work
1 hour drive
15 minutes debriefWhen is the latest I can take my RTD break,(put it in the list and say why its there) and long would it need to be.
I’d have made that 10 minute cuppa a 15 minute break, then have the other 15 minutes before that final driving hour. You’re doing between 6 and 9 hours of work so need 30 minutes on break in total to suit RTD rules.
delboytwo:
Wheel Nut:
delboytwo:
RTD 6 hour rule according to Vosa.If you start work at 6 am and do
15 minutes check (06.15)
2 hours drive (08.15)
1 hour other work (09.15)
1 hour drive (10.15)
1 hour POA known about in advance (11.15)
30 minutes other work (11.45)
10 minutes cup of tea with warehouse chap (all I could manage) it was recorded as a break on the tacho (11.55)
2 hours other work (12.55) 15 minutes break after 1 hour other work (13.10)
1 hour drive (14.10)
15 minutes debrief Finished (14.25)When is the latest I can take my RTD break,(put it in the list and say why its there) and long would it need to be.
what about the other 15 minutes
I am warming towards the fact that because I have taken a 15 minute break before 6 hours, then the slate is wiped clean and I need to do another 3 hours before the next 15 minutes is necessary. I haven’t tested this theory yet but then again no one else has, so the first case to get to court, I shall be paying close attention.
Wheel Nut:
delboytwo:
Wheel Nut:
delboytwo:
RTD 6 hour rule according to Vosa.If you start work at 6 am and do
15 minutes check (06.15)
2 hours drive (08.15)
1 hour other work (09.15)
1 hour drive (10.15)
1 hour POA known about in advance (11.15)
30 minutes other work (11.45)
10 minutes cup of tea with warehouse chap (all I could manage) it was recorded as a break on the tacho (11.55)
2 hours other work (12.55) 15 minutes break after 1 hour other work (13.10)
1 hour drive (14.10)
15 minutes debrief Finished (14.25)When is the latest I can take my RTD break,(put it in the list and say why its there) and long would it need to be.
what about the other 15 minutes
I am warming towards the fact that because I have taken a 15 minute break before 6 hours, then the slate is wiped clean and I need to do another 3 hours before the next 15 minutes is necessary. I haven’t tested this theory yet but then again no one else has, so the first case to get to court, I shall be paying close attention.
if you work 6 to 9 hours in a shift you have to have 30 minutes but it can be split into 15 minutes periods if you choose to do that the last 15 minutes must be taken before your shift ends, if you work over 9 hour you will need 45 minutes which must interrupt that period. please not that if you driving break is required in the shift if there is it can count for RTD as well
There is one very important word missing from the Road Transport Directive as you wrote them.
Can you guess what it is yet?
I am still of the opinion that until this is read by a barrister and a judge rules on it, it is a very ambiguous regulation.
Wheel Nut:
There is one very important word missing from the Road Transport Directive as you wrote them.Can you guess what it is yet?
I am still of the opinion that until this is read by a barrister and a judge rules on it, it is a very ambiguous regulation.
Here is the RTD 2005
Breaks
7.–(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
(2) Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds six hours but does not exceed nine hours,
the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 30 minutes and interrupting that time.
(3) Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds nine hours, the worker shall be entitled to a
break lasting at least 45 minutes and interrupting that period.
(4) Each break may be made up of separate periods of not less than 15 minutes each…
(5) An employer shall take all reasonable steps, in keeping with the need to protect the health
and safety of the mobile worker, to ensure that the limits specified above are complied with in the
case of each mobile worker employed by him.
so in fact you are required to take 30 minutes but you can split it into 2 x15 minutes
Anyway the point I am getting to in my quiz is if you have a POA in the six hours from my start point your 6 hour rule starts again as POA in not work and you have not worked 6 consecutive hours so as long as you get the 30 minutes or 45 minutes in before your shift ends or at 6 hour continuous work your fine
Spot on DEL with the 30 min total break requirement for that senario - the rules make that crystal clear
ROG:
Spot on DEL with the 30 min total break requirement for that senario - the rules make that crystal clear
Rog have you read this bit i posted and whats your opinion
Anyway the point I am getting to in my quiz is if you have a POA in the six hours from my start point your 6 hour rule starts again as POA in not work and you have not worked 6 consecutive hours so as long as you get the 30 minutes or 45 minutes in before your shift ends or at 6 hour continuous work your fine
ROG:
Spot on DEL with the 30 min total break requirement for that senario - the rules make that crystal clear
but the twist is its still duty and yes its all in the wording
delboytwo:
Rog have you read this bit i posted and whats your opinionAnyway the point I am getting to in my quiz is if you have a POA in the six hours from my start point your 6 hour rule starts again as POA in not work and you have not worked 6 consecutive hours so as long as you get the 30 minutes or 45 minutes in before your shift ends or at 6 hour continuous work your fine
That POA cannot be counted as break because the only time it could be is when as driver 2 on multi manning - that is what VOSA and other EU authorities have stated because there is no option to record break when in slot 2 and MM