this vehicle appeared at our premises to load this morning,how they have the nerve to drive it like it is i don’t know.
my question is,where as a company,do we stand in loading it & allowing to leave in that condition??
do we have a duty of care to other road users & also with regards to our ops licence,would i be obliged to inform someone of the state of the vehicle?
put him on the bay.
take his keys and call DVSA
Nothing to do with you. But if you must crack on… Yes it’s illegal to drive that vehicle in that condition sharp edges to the front is the first one.
But if you must ring wait till it leaves then do the dirty as if it just passed you going in the opposite way on the road…
Looks fresh damage to me, and those M.A.Ns are susceptible in that area…
I`d have given him a pat on the back for getting to you, getting the load on, and keeping the job going.
No doubt he would of been getting it fixed en route 
By the state/look of that yard you really want to worry about that instead with the so called duty of care ■■ the truck & state of the truck isn’t really your business imho
Only fault, during daylight hours, is missing/inoperative o/s front indicator.
Bodge in some sort of indicator lamp and you’re good to go.
If he’d come in with a blown bulb you probably wouldn’t have noticed.
Own Account Driver:
Only fault, during daylight hours, is missing/inoperative o/s front indicator.Bodge in some sort of indicator lamp and you’re good to go.
If he’d come in with a blown bulb you probably wouldn’t have noticed.
its PG9 for british lorry, so traffic officer would be even more happy stopping foreign lorry like this.
the load gets stuck as well then.
i would think twice before loading…
Own Account Driver:
Only fault, during daylight hours, is missing/inoperative o/s front indicator.Bodge in some sort of indicator lamp and you’re good to go.
If he’d come in with a blown bulb you probably wouldn’t have noticed.
No its not. Its also any sharp edge showings the front. And the lights should be there regardless whether it’s day light or not. Constructions and use…and don’t start stating about motorcycles they also come under use and regs all be it slightly different.
translimited:
its PG9 for british lorry, so traffic officer would be even more happy stopping foreign lorry like this.
the load gets stuck as well then.
i would think twice before loading…
That would be my problem with loading it, the load being immobilised along with the truck if he was stopped by the feds.
I think I am correct when I say that if anyone loads that vehicle knowing it will go out on the road like that then they are also legally accountable
ROG:
I think I am correct when I say that if anyone loads that vehicle knowing it will go out on the road like that then they are also legally accountable
No Rog don’t be silly. Or every vehicle that’s stopped and has a defect DVSA would be chasing everyone. All over the country…
nick2008:
ROG:
I think I am correct when I say that if anyone loads that vehicle knowing it will go out on the road like that then they are also legally accountableNo Rog don’t be silly. Or every vehicle that’s stopped and has a defect DVSA would be chasing everyone. All over the country…
I am not referring to something which a reasonable person cannot detect but in a case such as this …
To me its like a forkie who agrees with the driver to put the load on the rear over hang causing the vehicle to be unstable - not necessarily overloaded
Own Account Driver:
Only fault, during daylight hours, is missing/inoperative o/s front indicator.Bodge in some sort of indicator lamp and you’re good to go.
Not really - the allowance under S23(3) Road Vehicle Lighting Regs only applies to defective lamps where the device became defective during the journey. Defective - not totally absent!
What has it got to do with the OP? You don’t know, he may be booked into a dealer ‘down the road’ to get it sorted. Keep your nose out!
ROG:
nick2008:
ROG:
I think I am correct when I say that if anyone loads that vehicle knowing it will go out on the road like that then they are also legally accountableNo Rog don’t be silly. Or every vehicle that’s stopped and has a defect DVSA would be chasing everyone. All over the country…
I am not referring to something which a reasonable person cannot detect but in a case such as this …
To me its like a forkie who agrees with the driver to put the load on the rear over hang causing the vehicle to be unstable - not necessarily overloaded
For a permitted use legal argument I don’t think you could pursue a forkie only an employer or operator really.
nick2008:
Own Account Driver:
Only fault, during daylight hours, is missing/inoperative o/s front indicator.Bodge in some sort of indicator lamp and you’re good to go.
If he’d come in with a blown bulb you probably wouldn’t have noticed.
No its not. Its also any sharp edge showings the front. And the lights should be there regardless whether it’s day light or not. Constructions and use…and don’t start stating about motorcycles they also come under use and regs all be it slightly different.
We aren’t talking type approval it’s about continuing to a place of repair. Yes, if there was some twisted metal bumper that could swipe a pedestrian but I don’t think some damaged fibre glass would really fall foul of anything.
Roymondo:
Own Account Driver:
Only fault, during daylight hours, is missing/inoperative o/s front indicator.Bodge in some sort of indicator lamp and you’re good to go.
Not really - the allowance under S23(3) Road Vehicle Lighting Regs only applies to defective lamps where the device became defective during the journey. Defective - not totally absent!
Not sure what you’re referring to the indicator or the headlight? If he bodges in an indicator I think he is ok to continue during daylight.
Own Account Driver:
Roymondo:
Own Account Driver:
Only fault, during daylight hours, is missing/inoperative o/s front indicator.Bodge in some sort of indicator lamp and you’re good to go.
Not really - the allowance under S23(3) Road Vehicle Lighting Regs only applies to defective lamps where the device became defective during the journey. Defective - not totally absent!
Not sure what you’re referring to the indicator or the headlight? If he bodges in an indicator I think he is ok to continue during daylight.
The headlight and sidelight - the allowance/exemption under S23(3) only applies to defective lamps etc (during daylight hours, where the defect occurred during the journey, and/or arrangements are in hand to have them fixed ASAP), not those which are totally absent.
Hello! it’s Romanian, put the load on, first services he might just ‘obtain’ a front wing from another MAN, sorted…next problem.
globby 480:
By the state/look of that yard you really want to worry about that instead with the so called duty of care ■■ the truck & state of the truck isn’t really your business imho
Globby,it’s a waste paper recycling/baling company so the problem of paper/cardboard getting blown around is always a problem,impossible to keep clean.normally its pulp all over th floor due to the rain wetting the paper.
Driver was loaded & sent on his way.
i spoke with a guy from DVSA to report the damage & sent him the pictures,he informed me that me the same vehicle was given a PG9 near shrewsbury 3 weeks ago for defective brakes!!
apart from the missing lights,there were a lot of jagged edges & the hole was that big it could have scooped a child up in it & taken them back to romania quite easily!!
i am not normally one to bother to much about things like this,but this damage was a good few days old & he didn’t give a toss when i pointed out how dangerous it was,he just laughed about it!!
