If you were so concerned about the state of the vehicle, why did you allow it to enter the premises and still load it ?
The freight forwarding agent that arranged this lorry could have got another lorry to do the job.
With the demise of UK hauliers on EU work, why not get a UK haulier to the job, or was this a non cabatage load for the Romanian working in the UK ?
The Dvsa would not have supplied information on where and when vehicles were stopped under the Data protection act, so how did they tell you ?
Although the op was not to know the vehicles history it is quite obvious that this vehicle should not be on the road, the fact it was stopped 3 weeks previous in the UK with a defect would suggest that it has been a long time since it saw Romania and will run and run without checks or servicing until such point that it is put off the road or puts itself off the road. With regards to being ok with no headlight during daylight complete balls##t next time you are in a weighbridge remove your headlight bulb before the light check and see how far it gets you, they are checking the serviceability of your lights and if they are not working you will get a GV9. A lot of nonsense is spoken on here about DVSA/Vosa spend some time in their checkpoints and you will find out what is and isn’t acceptable and lights not working is firmly in the unacceptable camp
jrl driver:
globby 480:
By the state/look of that yard you really want to worry about that instead with the so called duty of care ■■ the truck & state of the truck isn’t really your business imhoGlobby,it’s a waste paper recycling/baling company so the problem of paper/cardboard getting blown around is always a problem,impossible to keep clean.normally its pulp all over th floor due to the rain wetting the paper.
Driver was loaded & sent on his way.
i spoke with a guy from DVSA to report the damage & sent him the pictures,he informed me that me the same vehicle was given a PG9 near shrewsbury 3 weeks ago for defective brakes!!
apart from the missing lights,there were a lot of jagged edges & the hole was that big it could have scooped a child up in it & taken them back to romania quite easily!!
i am not normally one to bother to much about things like this,but this damage was a good few days old & he didn’t give a toss when i pointed out how dangerous it was,he just laughed about it!!
can you know us what DVSA advised you to do(next time) ?
toby1234abc:
If you were so concerned about the state of the vehicle, why did you allow it to enter the premises and still load it ?
The freight forwarding agent that arranged this lorry could have got another lorry to do the job.
With the demise of UK hauliers on EU work, why not get a UK haulier to the job, or was this a non cabatage load for the Romanian working in the UK ?
The Dvsa would not have supplied information on where and when vehicles were stopped under the Data protection act, so how did they tell you ?
the paper mill in germany we sell to arrange all the haulage,we have no control over it.there main haulier is Trawoger.
the guy i spoke to at dvsa checked the vehicle reg & told me what it had been stopped for & when.why is a romanian hgv covered under data protection? it’s a vehicle not a person
ROG:
I think I am correct when I say that if anyone loads that vehicle knowing it will go out on the road like that then they are also legally accountable
Sorry mate, I don’t have to think you are wrong, you are wrong,.,. unless you are the driver or Owner, then you are not legally responsible for That vehicle whether you load it or not. Fact not fiction,.,.
yoyo5:
ROG:
I think I am correct when I say that if anyone loads that vehicle knowing it will go out on the road like that then they are also legally accountableSorry mate, I don’t have to think you are wrong, you are wrong,.,. unless you are the driver or Owner, then you are not legally responsible for That vehicle whether you load it or not. Fact not fiction,.,.
Yes, this is right, although the consignor does share responsibility for ensuring the vehicle is not overloaded, he has no legal responsibility for its roadworthiness.
This is my take on this one…
If there was any question of the roadworthiness of the this vehicle, the boss / manager of the recycling centre should have refused to have it loaded, turned the driver away after taking photos of the damaged vehicle, proceeding to contact both the companies the driver represents & the consignee and advised them accordingly of your companies actions.
Should the driver, drivers company and the consignee be unhappy about this arrangement, take it up with DVSA
Swampey2418:
This is my take on this one…If there was any question of the roadworthiness of the this vehicle, the boss / manager of the recycling centre should have refused to have it loaded, turned the driver away after taking photos of the damaged vehicle, proceeding to contact both the companies the driver represents & the consignee and advised them accordingly of your companies actions.
Should the driver, drivers company and the consignee be unhappy about this arrangement, take it up with DVSA
The problem there is they could be potentially (and most likely successfully) sued by the haulier for the losses.
This thread assumes (in all probability correctly but, that’s beside the point) that because it is Romanian an effective repair is not going to be carried out in a timely manner. Courts don’t go in for assumptions, in a big way, and certainly not one that could be construed as racist.
jrl driver:
the paper mill in germany we sell to arrange all the haulage,we have no control over it.there main haulier is Trawoger.
I’d call the customer and ask them to send a roadworthy vehicle to collect their goods. if and when it gets repaired is no longer a concern of mine.
so if you whack your truck in romania,or wherever else you may be abroad,what are you going to do…pay a fortune for a foriegn repair,or get it home and fix it in the workshop.no brainer,and none of the loaders business unless the beancounters can think up a h&s excuse to be awkward about the safety of the workforce whilst loading it.best to concern yourself with what concerns you,and keep your nose out of other folks business.if its not his own truck,then prob getting a bung to return to base and fix it there.its nobodys business except the driver who is ultimately responsible for any forthcoming greif.obviously if your agency or similar mindset,you wouldnt drive it. its not such a big deal to the flipflops as to a certain degree like eire,then anything goes till your caught.
the fact that the truck was loading for germany tells me it’s not really only getting by for a few days until he gets home.
don’t think this one was only driving because there were no lowloaders available 
http://www.at.no/transport/2015-01-23/Festet-frontruten-med-spennbånd-12962.html
now when loading in germany the forkie normally oversees the operation, and will take photographs to show how its done properly, as HE is as liable as the driver if it all goes wrong, I like the germans no grey areas Its right or wrong, and this is all due to Germany being really just a transit country for the rest of the eastern Europeans, they are fed up with clearing up every thing they dump out of the curtains on the way through, if you load the contiboard stuff you will have to use about 24 straps in the trailer, and not just off the rave over and back on the rave, its from a proper ring in the floor across the floor under the load to the ring the other side then up over the load and on to the original ring, all of the loading offices have photographs showing how it is to be done If you cannot conform don’t even try loading it as if you get caught it all comes off and the demuradge charges to be paid by the haulier are astronomical as each lorry time slot is exact. and a team are drafted in to do the unloading.
oh i forgot, make sure you have the little rubber mats that go between pallet or stillage’s and the floor, or again no load.