Reduced weekly rests

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Hi
this is how to know which rest belongs to which week.

lets say you want to do 6 night shifts week 1 and 5 week 2 and 5 week 3 and 6 week 4
lest say before the week started you had 60 hours off to cover last week.
week 1

Monday 6pm till Sunday 6am 36 hours rest ( assigned to week 1) 6 shifts

week 2

Monday 6pm till Saturday till 6 am 60 hours rest (assigned to week 2 and compensation covered for week 1) 5 shifts

week 3

Monday 6pm till Saturday till 6 am 36 hours rest (assigned to week 3) 5 shifts

week 4

Sunday 6pm till Saturday 6am 60 hours rest (assigned to week 4 and compensation covered for week 3 ) 6 shifts

week 5

Monday 6pm till Sunday 6am or (Monday 6pm till Saturday 6am ) 36 hours rest (assigned to week 5)

week 6

so this weeks rest would start on Saturday 6am till Monday 6pm 60 hours and week 6 and cover for week 5 compensation

the if you wanted to you could go back to week 1 and start again.

if you look at week 4 the week started in week 3 and end in week 4 so the 60 hours in week 4 covers the rest and compensation for week 4 and week 3

hope that helps

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Cheers delboytwo, that is a way of doing two weeks of six shifts in a row, but still just does a reduced rest then a full rest and so on !

My original question was regarding having two consecutive reduced weekly rests :smiley:

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Darb:
I’m trying to get my head around having two consecutive reduced rests, I’ve read this thread. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=94336&hilit=Two+weekly+reduced&start=30 but still can’t seem to grasp it :blush:

I work Monday to Friday night shift
How do I ascertain which week a particular weekly rest is for?
If I make Saturday night my extra shift then my weekly rest would be in two consecutive weeks so would this allow me to have two consecutive reduced weekly rests ■■
If I have Sunday as my extra shift then my weekly rest is not in two consecutive weeks so would not make two reduced weekly rests possible ■■

I hope this makes sense :blush:

This may appear a bit complicated but it is the only way you can have only reduced weekly rest periods two consecutive weekends without having other days off.

In your case you work Monday night to Friday night so lets say you start work Monday night in week 1 after a weeks holiday:

Week 1) You start the week with a regular weekly rest period because you’ve had a week off and the rest period crossed over into Monday.

Weeks 2, 3 & 4) You have 1 regular weekly rest period each week and always Saturday morning to Monday night.
Because each of these weekly rest periods cross over into the Monday you’re continuing to start each week with a regular weekly rest period.

Week 5) As usual starts with a regular weekly rest period (which will count for week 5) but then you work Saturday night and finish Sunday morning.
So now week 6 cannot start with a regular weekly rest because between Sunday morning and Monday night you can only have a reduced weekly rest period.

Your boss wants you to work the following Saturday as well :open_mouth:

Week 6) Starts with the reduced weekly rest period and again you work the Saturday night.
This is OK because you had a regular weekly rest period at the start of week 5.

Week 7) Starts with a reduced weekly rest period because again you worked Saturday night in week 6.
At the end of week 7 you must have a regular weekly rest period which will count for week 7 because week 6 started and finished with a reduced weekly rest period.

You’ve worked two consecutive Saturdays nights and on the face of it you’ve worked two consecutive weeks with only reduced weekly rest periods, but what’s actually happened is that the weekly rest period that counts for each particular week has shifted from the start of the week to the end of the week.

You had a regular weekly rest period at the start of week 5 that counted for week 5, and another regular weekly rest period at the end of week 7 which counts for week 7, the only week that you only had a reduced weekly rest period counting for was week 6.

From now on the weekly rest periods that count for each particular week are at the end of the week rather than the start of the week and until you have another holiday or a couple of days off in the week or a weekly rest period of at-least 69 hours you will not be able to work two consecutive Saturdays.

To the best of my knowledge this is the only legal way that someone who works regular shifts Monday to Friday can have two consecutive reduced weekly rest periods at the weekends and stay legal, and as you can see it can only be done once between “holidays/days off” or until you have a weekly rest period of 69 hours or more,and is a bit complicated.

Darb:
when I got back this morning I was asked to work an extra shift, I said that I couldn’t as I had a reduced rest last weekend, then he said “you can do two in a row, we have drivers that do it and then pay compensation back the third week” he then got out a monthly printout of drivers shifts and some had done two reduced rests in a row with no infringements recorded, one driver even did two reduced when his “weekend” was Wed/Thu ■■

If you’re working week if Thursday to Tuesday you cannot legally go two consecutive weekly rests (Wednesday/Thursday) having reduced weekly rest periods unless you also have other days off in at-least one of those weeks.

It’s easy to look at some analysis reports and say this that or the other without explaining/understanding how or why, so I agree with Coffeeholic I think the bloke who told you this is talking ■■■■■■■■ and probably doesn’t know what he’s talking about :wink:

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tachograph:
This may appear a bit complicated

and that’s why I would not do it, you could end up loosing you way.

my way better :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

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delboytwo:

tachograph:
This may appear a bit complicated

and that’s why I would not do it, you could end up loosing you way.

my way better :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

I agree that your way is easier Del, but unfortunately it wasn’t what the OP asked about :wink:

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tachograph:

delboytwo:

tachograph:
This may appear a bit complicated

and that’s why I would not do it, you could end up loosing you way.

my way better :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

I agree that your way is easier Del, but unfortunately it wasn’t what the OP asked about :wink:

I was going to do what you have done, I was typing away and when I was ready to post you beat me to it so I did not put my post up, there is a way to do it and its in the gv262 v3 on page 23. :wink: :wink:

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Cheers guys :grimacing:

Tachograph, that’s why I couldn’t get my head around it, I couldn’t see a way of doing it then doing again without some kind of holiday/extra long weekly rest !!

I think I have it sorted now thanks and I’ll stick to my usual reply of “no, not this week” :grimacing:

I’ll also consider Del’s explanation too :slight_smile:

Thanks to everyone that’s helped on this thread :smiley:

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ROG:

Coffeeholic:

ROG:
Here is a legal example and although there are two reduced weekly rests in row it is not two counted reduced weekly rests in a row

mon 31st dec to sun 6th jan = full weekly rest as driver had 31st and 1st off
Worked wed 2nd to sat 5th
sun 6th off = reduced weekly rest (A)
worked mon 7th to sat 12th
sun 13th off = reduced weekly rest (B)
worked mon 14th to fri 18th
sat 19th + sun 20th off = full weekly rest

Full counted for the fixed week mon 31st to sun jan 6th
Reduced (either A or B) counted counted for the fixed week mon 7th to sun 13th
Full counted for the fixed week mon 14th to sun 20th

Yes it is. They are both periods long enough to count as reduced weekly rest periods for the tachograph regulations therefore they are counted as/regarded as/used as reduced weekly rest periods. Only one weekly rest per fixed week is required but any over and above that minimum are still counted as a weekly rest and will be counted for a week for various reasons. The fact it doesn’t need compensating doesn’t change that.

My bad - I missed adding for a fixed week in that !!

Adding that in, or missing it out does not alter or make correct what you were saying. :unamused: :unamused:

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Now I am confused (not hard to do !!)

There can be many weekly rests in a fixed week but I thought it was up to the driver as to which of them actually counted as the weekly rest for that fixed week … Am I wrong in my thinking here ?

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ROG:
Now I am confused (not hard to do !!)

There can be many weekly rests in a fixed week but I thought it was up to the driver as to which of them actually counted as the weekly rest for that fixed week … Am I wrong in my thinking here ?

Here’s where you’re going wrong. You’re fixated with the words “fixed week " and “counted”. You’ve taken a statement like " a rest period that falls in two weeks can be counted for either, but not both” and you’re trying to mould it to what you want it to be.
The requirement is to take a weekly rest period, and there is criteria to tell you when this is needed. You don’t need for anything to ‘count’, just comply with the requirements as you go along and you can’t go wrong.

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A weekly rest that spans two fixed weeks can be counted for either fixed week but not both - that is what the regs say in one form or another

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ROG … Please stay away from trying to help people in regard to Drivers Hours,just stick to helping drivers reverse or checking brake lights …

You,like me don’t have a very good grasp on them … Leave it to the experts if I were you

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jimboy124:
ROG … Please stay away from trying to help people in regard to Drivers Hours,just stick to helping drivers reverse or checking brake lights …

You,like me don’t have a very good grasp on them … Leave it to the experts if I were you

If you think I have them wrong then please quote where I have stated something illegal as being good advice in the last 3 years ?

If you cannot do so then on what basis do you think you have to give such an opinion?

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ROG:
A weekly rest that spans two fixed weeks can be counted for either fixed week but not both - that is what the regs say in one form or another

And you’re still fixated with the term “fixed week”. Oh well, i’ll leave you to it.

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ROG:
You can choose which fixed week a weekly rest is to be counted for but it must be at least one minute in that fixed week and can only be used once

Once you understand whats wrong with this statement then you’ll be closer to understanding where you are going wrong. I’m giving you no more help. :smiley: :smiley:

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Mike-C:

ROG:
A weekly rest that spans two fixed weeks can be counted for either fixed week but not both - that is what the regs say in one form or another

And you’re still fixated with the term “fixed week”. Oh well, i’ll leave you to it.

Perhaps that is because the regulations state that each fixed week must have a weekly rest in it

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Mike-C:

ROG:
You can choose which fixed week a weekly rest is to be counted for but it must be at least one minute in that fixed week and can only be used once

Once you understand whats wrong with this statement then you’ll be closer to understanding where you are going wrong. I’m giving you no more help. :smiley: :smiley:

If I am wrong then perhaps you can explain what is wrong with it as you seem to have a greater understanding of the regs

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ROG:

jimboy124:
ROG … Please stay away from trying to help people in regard to Drivers Hours,just stick to helping drivers reverse or checking brake lights …

You,like me don’t have a very good grasp on them … Leave it to the experts if I were you

If you think I have them wrong then please quote where I have stated something illegal as being good advice in the last 3 years ?

If you cannot do so then on what basis do you think you have to give such an opinion?

I never said something illegal .Do you not cringe when you get something wrong? Or do you hide behind the expression " My bad"

I have read some of your stuff in the newbees forum and i think its very helpful and i am sure people have passed there LGV tests because of you . But for Drivers hours and WTD rules i dont think you have a very good grasp on them thats all …

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jimboy124:
… for Drivers hours and WTD rules i dont think you have a very good grasp on them thats all …

Interesting opinion but factually incorrect

To test that statement try asking a question on drivers hours etc that you think I will get wrong …

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ROG:

jimboy124:
… for Drivers hours and WTD rules i dont think you have a very good grasp on them thats all …

Interesting opinion but factually incorrect

To test that statement try asking a question on drivers hours etc that you think I will get wrong …

What like Mastermind ?