I work Monday to Friday night shift
How do I ascertain which week a particular weekly rest is for?
If I make Saturday night my extra shift then my weekly rest would be in two consecutive weeks so would this allow me to have two consecutive reduced weekly rests ■■
If I have Sunday as my extra shift then my weekly rest is not in two consecutive weeks so would not make two reduced weekly rests possible ■■
I work Monday to Friday night shift
How do I ascertain which week a particular weekly rest is for?
If I make Saturday night my extra shift then my weekly rest would be in two consecutive weeks so would this allow me to have two consecutive reduced weekly rests ■■
If I have Sunday as my extra shift then my weekly rest is not in two consecutive weeks so would not make two reduced weekly rests possible ■■
I hope this makes sense
You can choose which fixed week a weekly rest is to be counted for but it must be at least one minute in that fixed week and can only be used once
Put simply, you must have a full weekly rest counted for at least every other week and cannot have two reduced weekly rests counted for any two fixed weeks one after the other (consecutive)
The important bit is the word counted because there can be many weekly rests but it is the ones which are counted for the fixed weeks which matter for the weekly rest rules
“and that is put simply” ? I’m lost with it, to me it is that if I start on the Monday at 6am I can do 6 days and have a 24 hour off. (I’ve had 6 b4 the start of my shift). Then by the time my next weekend comes I need to have 45 hours consectuively so I do 5 shifts monday to friday. Am i right in saying that I can do 6 shifts then start the 45 hour break ? Can the break start on the Saturday and run into the Monday or does that infringe on the fortnightly totting up ?
I’m on a tacho course Wednesday (self imposed) for my own devices ! At the moment I stick to what I know
Kerbdog:
“and that is put simply” ? I’m lost with it, to me it is that if I start on the Monday at 6am I can do 6 days and have a 24 hour off. (I’ve had 6 b4 the start of my shift). Then by the time my next weekend comes I need to have 45 hours consectuively so I do 5 shifts monday to friday. Am i right in saying that I can do 6 shifts then start the 45 hour break ? Can the break start on the Saturday and run into the Monday or does that infringe on the fortnightly totting up ?
I’m on a tacho course Wednesday (self imposed) for my own devices ! At the moment I stick to what I know
Yes you can do 6 shifts and then start a 45 rest but it is as I said before - it depends what is in a fixed week and what can count for that fixed week
The only way it might become clearer is if you post a few senarios and see if they are legal and ask why if they are not
You don’t give your start finish times but between finishing Saturday morning and starting again Monday night you are probably going to be having 60+ hours weekly rest. I do the same nights and have around 63 hours weekly rest each week.
Darb:
How do I ascertain which week a particular weekly rest is for?
Just count it for the week you’ve just worked and it will keep it simple, you don’t need to get fancy with it just doing the same night shift all the time.
Darb:
If I make Saturday night my extra shift then my weekly rest would be in two consecutive weeks so would this allow me to have two consecutive reduced weekly rests ■■
No, you will still need a full weekly rest every other week. If you do an extra shift on the Saturday then between finishing Sunday morning and starting Monday night you will probably have around 36 hours weekly rest, leaving around 9 to compensate for. That would be covered when you finish the next Saturday morning and start again the Monday evening.
Darb:
If I have Sunday as my extra shift then my weekly rest is not in two consecutive weeks so would not make two reduced weekly rests possible ■■
Still the same as above, nothing changes except your reduced weekly rest is now between Saturday morning and Sunday evening instead of Sunday morning and Monday evening.
Just do the one extra shift every second week, doesn’t matter whether it’s the Saturday or the Sunday, and you won’t have any problems with weekly rests or compensation.
It would only be possible to do an extra shift every week if you could still squeeze in 45 hours continuous rest by say starting a shift 9 hours after finishing on the Saturday morning and it was short enough to be finished 45 hours before you start back Monday evening.
My start times vary, but its usually around 6pm-6am
Coffeeholic:
No, you will still need a full weekly rest every other week. If you do an extra shift on the Saturday then between finishing Sunday morning and starting Monday night you will probably have around 36 hours weekly rest, leaving around 9 to compensate for. That would be covered when you finish the next Saturday morning and start again the Monday evening.
So where does the fitting two reduced rests into a single fixed week come in then
Coffeeholic:
Just do the one extra shift every second week
I usually do this but when I got back this morning I was asked to work an extra shift, I said that I couldn’t as I had a reduced rest last weekend, then he said “you can do two in a row, we have drivers that do it and then pay compensation back the third week” he then got out a monthly printout of drivers shifts and some had done two reduced rests in a row with no infringements recorded, one driver even did two reduced when his “weekend” was Wed/Thu ■■
Here is a legal example and although there are two reduced weekly rests in row it is not two counted reduced weekly rests in a row
mon 31st dec to sun 6th jan = full weekly rest as driver had 31st and 1st off
Worked wed 2nd to sat 5th
sun 6th off = reduced weekly rest (A)
worked mon 7th to sat 12th
sun 13th off = reduced weekly rest (B)
worked mon 14th to fri 18th
sat 19th + sun 20th off = full weekly rest
Full counted for the fixed week mon 31st to sun jan 6th
Reduced (either A or B) counted counted for the fixed week mon 7th to sun 13th
Full counted for the fixed week mon 14th to sun 20th
ROG:
Put simply, you must have a full weekly rest counted for at least every other week
You where doing great here!! Thats spot on.
ROG:
and cannot have two reduced weekly rests counted for any two fixed weeks one after the other (consecutive)
The important bit is the word counted because there can be many weekly rests but it is the ones which are counted for the fixed weeks which matter for the weekly rest rules
IMO you’re now complicating things and getting it all muddled. Of course ANY weekly rests are counted and do count. They can count forhow many reduced rests you can have in between them, they can count for how long you can work before your next one. They all count.
You can have as many reduced weekly rests as you like, they’ll all count as weekly rests. Of course this does not negate the requirement as you point out, to have a full one every other week.
There’s nothing important about the ‘counted’ bit, as they’re all counted.
I understand that the two reductions are in a single fixed week so one is not really relevant (also am I right in thinking at only one needs compensating ■■) so why would my earlier example not qualify me to have two consecutive reduced rests ■■
Mike-C:
IMO you’re now complicating things and getting it all muddled. Of course ANY weekly rests are counted and do count. They can count forhow many reduced rests you can have in between them, they can count for how long you can work before your next one. They all count. You can have as many reduced weekly rests as you like, they’ll all count as weekly rests. Of course this does not negate the requirement as you point out, to have a full one every other week. There’s nothing important about the ‘counted’ bit, as they’re all counted.
Please read more carefully because I said they counted as the full or reduced weekly rests for a particular fixed week
I never stated that they were not counted as weekly rests
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Darb:
I understand that the two reductions are in a single fixed week so one is not really relevant (also am I right in thinking at only one needs compensating ■■) so why would my earlier example not qualify me to have two consecutive reduced rests ■■
The one that is not counted as the reduced weekly rest for any fixed week does not need compensating for
Darb:
I understand that the two reductions are in a single fixed week so one is not really relevant (also am I right in thinking at only one needs compensating ■■) so why would my earlier example not qualify me to have two consecutive reduced rests ■■
The one that is not counted as the reduced weekly rest for any fixed week does not need compensating for
Darb:
I understand that the two reductions are in a single fixed week so one is not really relevant (also am I right in thinking at only one needs compensating ■■)
Its my understanding that the second one would include compensation for the first, follow ?
Darb:
so why would my earlier example not qualify me to have two consecutive reduced rests ■■
I can’t tell from the info you’ve given. But you can have as many reduced rests as you like. Just make sure you have a full one in any two weeks.
Mike-C:
IMO you’re now complicating things and getting it all muddled. Of course ANY weekly rests are counted and do count. They can count forhow many reduced rests you can have in between them, they can count for how long you can work before your next one. They all count. You can have as many reduced weekly rests as you like, they’ll all count as weekly rests. Of course this does not negate the requirement as you point out, to have a full one every other week. There’s nothing important about the ‘counted’ bit, as they’re all counted.
Please read more carefully because I said they counted as the full or reduced weekly rests for a particular fixed week
I never stated that they were not counted as weekly rests
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Darb:
I understand that the two reductions are in a single fixed week so one is not really relevant (also am I right in thinking at only one needs compensating ■■) so why would my earlier example not qualify me to have two consecutive reduced rests ■■
The one that is not counted as the reduced weekly rest for any fixed week does not need compensating for
Mike-C:
IMO you’re now complicating things and getting it all muddled. Of course ANY weekly rests are counted and do count. They can count forhow many reduced rests you can have in between them, they can count for how long you can work before your next one. They all count. You can have as many reduced weekly rests as you like, they’ll all count as weekly rests. Of course this does not negate the requirement as you point out, to have a full one every other week. There’s nothing important about the ‘counted’ bit, as they’re all counted.
Please read more carefully because I said they counted as the full or reduced weekly rests for a particular fixed week
I never stated that they were not counted as weekly rests
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Darb:
I understand that the two reductions are in a single fixed week so one is not really relevant (also am I right in thinking at only one needs compensating ■■) so why would my earlier example not qualify me to have two consecutive reduced rests ■■
The one that is not counted as the reduced weekly rest for any fixed week does not need compensating for
No?
Mike, if you keep missing out the relevant part which says for any fixed week then you are always going to miss what is actually being stated - unfortunately I cannot control how your mind works !!
My start times vary, but its usually around 6pm-6am
My example above works in that case.
Darb:
Coffeeholic:
No, you will still need a full weekly rest every other week. If you do an extra shift on the Saturday then between finishing Sunday morning and starting Monday night you will probably have around 36 hours weekly rest, leaving around 9 to compensate for. That would be covered when you finish the next Saturday morning and start again the Monday evening.
So where does the fitting two reduced rests into a single fixed week come in then
When you have two reduced rests which at least begin between 00:00 Monday and 24:00 Sunday
Darb:
Coffeeholic:
Just do the one extra shift every second week
I usually do this but when I got back this morning I was asked to work an extra shift, I said that I couldn’t as I had a reduced rest last weekend, then he said “you can do two in a row, we have drivers that do it and then pay compensation back the third week” he then got out a monthly printout of drivers shifts and some had done two reduced rests in a row with no infringements recorded, one driver even did two reduced when his “weekend” was Wed/Thu ■■
If you had only a reduced rest for last week and won’t begin a full before 24:00 Sunday this week then you couldn’t do the extra shift. I cannot comment on the stuff he showed you but either the analysis is crap or more likely you didn’t see all the relevant information. The guy you talked to is lacking in knowledge though as there is no need to pay anything “back the third week” in the regulations so I would treat anything he says as ■■■■■■■■ until verified elsewhere.
ROG:
Here is a legal example and although there are two reduced weekly rests in row it is not two counted reduced weekly rests in a row
mon 31st dec to sun 6th jan = full weekly rest as driver had 31st and 1st off
Worked wed 2nd to sat 5th
sun 6th off = reduced weekly rest (A)
worked mon 7th to sat 12th
sun 13th off = reduced weekly rest (B)
worked mon 14th to fri 18th
sat 19th + sun 20th off = full weekly rest
Full counted for the fixed week mon 31st to sun jan 6th
Reduced (either A or B) counted counted for the fixed week mon 7th to sun 13th
Full counted for the fixed week mon 14th to sun 20th
Yes it is. They are both periods long enough to count as reduced weekly rest periods for the tachograph regulations therefore they are counted as/regarded as/used as reduced weekly rest periods. Only one weekly rest per fixed week is required but any over and above that minimum are still counted as a weekly rest and will be counted for a week for various reasons. The fact it doesn’t need compensating doesn’t change that.
Coffeeholic:
If you had only a reduced rest for last week and won’t begin a full before 24:00 Sunday this week then you couldn’t do the extra shift. I cannot comment on the stuff he showed you but either the analysis is crap or more likely you didn’t see all the relevant information. The guy you talked to is lacking in knowledge though as there is no need to pay anything “back the third week” in the regulations so I would treat anything he says as ■■■■■■■■ until verified elsewhere.
If my reduced rest last week (week1) was from 6:00 Sunday through until 18:00 Monday could this not count as this weeks (week 2) weekly rest, then next week (week 3) have a full rest ■■?
Really sorry for going on but I just can’t seem to grasp it
Darb:
If my reduced rest last week (week1) was from 6:00 Sunday through until 18:00 Monday could this not count as this weeks (week 2) weekly rest, then next week (week 3) have a full rest ■■?
If it has not already been counted as the weekly rest for week 1 then yes it can because it spans sunday midnight so is in both fixed weeks 1 and 2
ROG:
Here is a legal example and although there are two reduced weekly rests in row it is not two counted reduced weekly rests in a row
mon 31st dec to sun 6th jan = full weekly rest as driver had 31st and 1st off
Worked wed 2nd to sat 5th
sun 6th off = reduced weekly rest (A)
worked mon 7th to sat 12th
sun 13th off = reduced weekly rest (B)
worked mon 14th to fri 18th
sat 19th + sun 20th off = full weekly rest
Full counted for the fixed week mon 31st to sun jan 6th
Reduced (either A or B) counted counted for the fixed week mon 7th to sun 13th
Full counted for the fixed week mon 14th to sun 20th
Yes it is. They are both periods long enough to count as reduced weekly rest periods for the tachograph regulations therefore they are counted as/regarded as/used as reduced weekly rest periods. Only one weekly rest per fixed week is required but any over and above that minimum are still counted as a weekly rest and will be counted for a week for various reasons. The fact it doesn’t need compensating doesn’t change that.
My bad - I missed adding for a fixed week in that !!
