SHYTOT:
What if you could earn £450 - £500 on days then £320 plus on nights for 5 days = £3850 - £4100
and any weekend work as a bonus. Nearly £200.000 with one truck and 2/3 drivers any takers
Great figures - I assume you’re in. When do you start then? 
Yeah, that should work, if you’re one of the drivers. Could do with knowing mileages though.
No scannyfanny im not in im just playing devils advocate and trying to find out why so many people are in as you say, they cant all be numpties
SHYTOT:
No scannyfanny im not in im just playing devils advocate and trying to find out why so many people are in as you say they cant all be numpties
No, they won’t all be numpties. Some will be double-shifting, others will be weekending with casual drivers making extra dosh running 7 days. Some will simply be desperate for any kind of work and others will be numpties in danger of busting themselves if the rate’s too low, sadly.
Scannyfanny:
SHYTOT:
No scannyfanny im not in im just playing devils advocate and trying to find out why so many people are in as you say they cant all be numptiesNo, they won’t all be numpties. Some will be double-shifting, others will be weekending with casual drivers making extra dosh running 7 days. Some will simply be desperate for any kind of work and others will be numpties in danger of busting themselves if the rate’s too low, sadly.
Some might be using supermarket jobs as backloads.
Others might be doing it during the slack time (building industrys perhaps)
Semtex:
Scannyfanny:
SHYTOT:
No scannyfanny im not in im just playing devils advocate and trying to find out why so many people are in as you say they cant all be numptiesNo, they won’t all be numpties. Some will be double-shifting, others will be weekending with casual drivers making extra dosh running 7 days. Some will simply be desperate for any kind of work and others will be numpties in danger of busting themselves if the rate’s too low, sadly.
Some might be using supermarket jobs as backloads.
Others might be doing it during the slack time (building industrys perhaps)
Backloads - unlikely as they tend to tie you up all day with two trailers to two different shops and it’s reasonably local stuff.
Slack time - possibly.
People on here say 10 hours 400 kilometers cant be done for £320 ish so why bother they could stay at home and lose money, but i know quite a few operators doing it
£320.00 for 400 kms, waste of time, all you are doing is burning diesel and wearing your truck out.
spoke to a large haulier before christmas regarding a load to magor, 134 miles one way, price offered £180.00 needless to say we did not do it.
cost approx £80 in fuel, £17.00 over the bridge, and you have not paid the jockey yet!!!
YOU CAN NOT WORK FOR LOW/CRAP RATES while there are people that will, the job will get no better.
So whats the answer DAFDAVE you know as well as i do that there are hundreds out there doing it
and when they wake up or go bust there are hundreds in the wings waiting to take over the crap paying jobs and its not just supermarket trailers.
Im afraid i dont know the answer, wish i did.
The only answer I can see is for the “transport experts” in brussels to come up with a bit of useful legislation governing rates to ensure we get a realistic price for the work we do instead of worrying about driver CPCs, WTDs and dreaming up new ways to tax the industry to death with so called green taxes.
grahamrfd:
The only answer I can see is for the “transport experts” in brussels to come up with a bit of useful legislation governing rates to ensure we get a realistic price for the work we do instead of worrying about driver CPCs, WTDs and dreaming up new ways to tax the industry to death with so called green taxes.
No Thanks !!! I wouldn’t want some clueless pen pusher in Brussels giving me a rate cut 
SHYTOT:
So whats the answer DAFDAVE you know as well as i do that there are hundreds out there doing it
and when they wake up or go bust there are hundreds in the wings waiting to take over the crap paying jobs and its not just supermarket trailers.
You’ve already sussed the answer SHYTOT but just not realized it…you walk away from crap rates, simple. OR if you do too many of them and they become ‘bread & butter’ then you will very likely will join the ranks of the ‘wake up or go bust’ brigade. No point in being a busy fool, it’s much better to take a reality check and chuck in the towel if crap rates are all that’s available, it’s way better than losin’ yer shirt, trust me.
scannyfanny you hinted that some operators may be double shifting their trucks but people on here say you can not make money at £320 ish for 10 hours / 400 kms no matter how you try
SHYTOT:
scannyfanny you hinted that some operators may be double shifting their trucks but people on here say you can not make money at £320 ish for 10 hours / 400 kms no matter how you try
SHYTOT, hi. I personally would not try to operate on a £320 per 10hr/400km shift IF that was my bread & butter. However, if that supermarket shift was a regular ‘extra’ that may be a different matter as only the running costs for that shift would need to come out of the £320 such as driver wages, fuel and wear & tear. This extra work can be addictive though and you’re in danger of dropping your rates all round. You’re also stuffed if you can’t get the additional driver when needed or if your truck goes down. It’s the old balancing act isn’t it?
So operators can double shift their trucks and make a few bob, also i can not believe that this thread has had almost 3000 hits but only a very few contribute, dont you lot have any ideas and opinions??
SHYTOT:
So operators can double shift their trucks and make a few bob, also i can not believe that this thread has had almost 3000 hits but only a very few contribute, dont you lot have any ideas and opinions??
There are good reasons for not double-shifting; Try these for starters…
Any more…? 
In summary…it can be worthwhile although it ain’t for every operator or job.
i think the answer to this is the difference between an owner driver and a fleet operator an owner driver with a bought and paid for motor who is going to run it til it cant run no more will make all be it not alot but money none the less out of it, compare that to a fleet operator with a decent wage to pay and decent unit fianance to pay etc.etc no there kidding themselves
lee mat:
i think the answer to this is the difference between an owner driver and a fleet operator an owner driver with a bought and paid for motor who is going to run it til it cant run no more will make all be it not alot but money none the less out of it, compare that to a fleet operator with a decent wage to pay and decent unit fianance to pay etc.etc no there kidding themselves
Pretty much, but the hassles are still there no matter the size of the firm as that additional contract has to be serviced in the same way…still need an additional driver, still burn fuel, still need to maintain the motor.
The ‘paid for motor’ is a lot of crap. It still needs money saved to replace it or to pay back the cash investment made originally to buy it, should you want to walk away…even if you ‘run it til it cant run no more’.
Scannyfanny:
The ‘paid for motor’ is a lot of crap.
The “paid for” theory only works if you are going to pack in when it wears out