Simples !! these people are “queueing up” to do it because they have mis placed their calculator and are not business men capable of doing simple costs !!
The job should pay enough to cover all costs including running modern equipment and make an allowance for replacing said truck ,not just to run an old truck just to be able to do pointless low paying work . . .
If my costs are wrong would you be as kind as to recost my list and make provision for profit ■■
The tell me its worthwhile , I have provided a list of costs to support my argument !!
Truck (rough cost) £90 per day
Fuel £145.00
Wages £120
licence and insurance £38.72
Tyres £24.44
Depreciation £40.00
Accountancy £7.10
Parking (yard approx per truck) £6.00
Total £471.26
The cost of truck needs to be substituted with a higher maintenance colmumn and an allowance for replacement !!
BTW , my costs are on the conservative side as i haven’t included office wages or a contingency !!
why are your costs wrong ? and who said they are wrong
robdorling:
If my costs are wrong would you be as kind as to recost my list and make provision for profit ■■The tell me its worthwhile , I have provided a list of costs to support my argument !!
Truck (rough cost) £90 per day
Fuel £145.00
Wages £120
licence and insurance £38.72
Tyres £24.44
Depreciation £40.00
Accountancy £7.10
Parking (yard approx per truck) £6.00Total £471.26
The cost of truck needs to be substituted with a higher maintenance colmumn and an allowance for replacement !!
are these based on 5 day week or 7 day week?
but regardless of the number of days in the week
£90 per day for a truck 
sorry, we all don’t want to drive round in Scania R730’s
Tyres at £24.44 per day?
what are your drivers doing to the tyres to wear them out that quickly?
You can hire a tractor for £80 per day double shifted = £40 per shift
no tax to pay no tyres to fit no servicing, just rent insurance fuel & driver
lee mat:
i dont get some of those figures one bit truck ,licence n insurance,tyres and depriciation mainly ,are you saying youve got to make that estimated 471 before you start making profit
If you stand it in the yard, you will not need any fuel and/or possibly drivers wages but standing costs are exactly that, what it costs you to park it in the yard.
what ? the figures themselves not what its been spent on .if those where my standing and running costs i could never of started .lets say thats an average day not to bad 10 hr 400k youve put down your cost figures for that kind of days work (and not many will)for that job what kind of money would you be looking at for doing it .please remember i aint having ago youve obviously got good kit good paying work and good on you .it would just be interesting to no the difference between someone taking what they can get and someone taking what they want.
Running a truck now on traction is a sure fire way to go broke if you haven’t done your sums right. I used to run a truck on traction only 5 years ago and gave it all up because there was more money to be earn’t elsewhere.
I take my hat off to many owner drivers running trucks now as my taxi home costs me more a mile than many are earning with a tractor unit.
You’d need to be paying your driver £80-100 per day not £120, there’s £20 (Cash Money) in the bank right there towards the next adition to the fleet! 
robdorling:
If my costs are wrong would you be as kind as to recost my list and make provision for profit ■■The tell me its worthwhile , I have provided a list of costs to support my argument !!
Truck (rough cost) £90 per day
Fuel £145.00
Wages £120
licence and insurance £38.72
Tyres £24.44
Depreciation £40.00
Accountancy £7.10
Parking (yard approx per truck) £6.00Total £471.26:
Rob, although I take your point entirely on costs, mine don’t add up to quite as high as yours (although not far away)…here’s my workings…
Daily costs - all based on a 5-day week, single shifted, 48 weeks working a year (but hopefully more ffs!)…
Truck - £77
Trailer - pulling theirs in this case - £0
Fuel - £145
Wages - £90
Licence and insurance - £27
Tyres - based on a 400km run in this case, unit only tyres costed as using their trailer - £8
Depreciation - my truck is leased from new over 3 years with full R+M so only need deposit for next one - £2
Parking - £6
Establishment - offfice, phone, accountant, stationery ectc - £11
Maintenance - incidentals not covered on R+M - £5
Total - £371 + profit (or my wages if you like) - so £431+VAT for me for this job, minimum
Although to add, I do pay my drivers £100-£120 per day for work that is profitable to me, if I was ever mad enough to do barely profitable work the drivers wage would take the knock (if you can get them to do it at the rate…) as it’s one of only a few ways to save money apart from the truck.
OK can anyone on these forums pull other peoples trailers (10 Hours or 400km ) for £320 a day
and make money regardless off age of truck, double shifted. If not why are there hundreds doing it
ScannyFanny , im glad someone has costs similar to mine , mine are a little higher as im greedier and put a safe margin on top of all my costs incase they escape a little but usually it just adds to the profit , which id rather do than underestimate and be out of pocket !! ,
Shytot the short answer to your question mate is no you cant work for £320 a day and the reason loads of people are doing it is because they are muppets who can’t do sums …
Have a nice day . . .
Thanks for your help guys this has been a real insight basicly i have applied for a one truck o licence as i do fancy been my own boss. I have always worked in the waste business but wanted to see what else was around i have been making a few general enquires and have been geeting told rates of around £1.40 pm for traction and even from my rough ball park figures i cant see the point in running for that so its back to the drawing board but maybe some supermarket work could be a bonus if it fitted in with some more lucrative work.
Robdorling thanks for recent well put posts!
as a lot on here arnt able or wont post rates/ppm/charges
Moose:
Robdorling thanks for recent well put posts!
as a lot on here arnt able or wont post rates/ppm/charges
yes robdorling posts as a new member are well appreciated. its nice to see a bit of honesty.
They may be doing their 250 miles for Morrisons then banging another 150-200 miles out on another job before parking up for the night. This is the only way I can see it ever vaguely working although if they make you hang around in the naughty boys room for the full 10 hours, that torpedoes the theory.
Silver_Surfer:
They may be doing their 250 miles for Morrisons then banging another 150-200 miles out on another job before parking up for the night. This is the only way I can see it ever vaguely working although if they make you hang around in the naughty boys room for the full 10 hours, that torpedoes the theory.
I agree, hat would work for me also. Either that or you’d need to run yer truck Mon-Fri all paid with the Morrisons job a Sat or Sun ‘extra earner’ with a casual man…that way the week’s standing costs would be covered, although wear & tear, fuel and wages would be coming out of the supermarket job. Viewed in isolation though, the rate’s still pish…with plenty of scope for a 12-13 hour arse-kicking with two runs.
For info, a mate pulls for Morrisons to a rural store near where I live. He has to park his unit up on the bay of the shop when he gets there and go home as they want it there all day to tip at their leisure and reload with the dunnage for him to take back to the RDC. Dunno what his rate is but it would need to be good to tie the motor up effectively for 9/10 hours at the store…he goes in there twice a day plus the run obviously.
What if you could earn £450 - £500 on days then £320 plus on nights for 5 days = £3850 - £4100
and any weekend work as a bonus. Nearly £200.000 with one truck and 2/3 drivers any takers