Probably not been done before

[lgvtrainer]

Coffee, the name of the forum is “New and Wannabe Drivers”. I have read hundreds of posts from people asking advice about starting out. Which provider to use, questions about the medical, the licence forms etc. Why would I expect the uptake to be so low.

Even if I had relaxed the criteria before making a decision the final person chosen would have most likely been somebody that had not even passed the rigid test. There would have been more applicants many in identical positions, some with a provisional, some with a theory pass etc and you and others would now be critisiing me for the person finally chosen.

The person receiving the free training has not yet passed any LGV test. In fact he is probably in a better position to be able to make a comparison between training providers when he does come to us.

The entire project was devised as a way of getting across the experience of our services. Hopefully what will be written will be of interest to our local papers as well as board members. As for time, money and effort there is potentially no limit to what this will cost us in these respects.

The way some people are talking on here you would think I have done wrong. I am sure most people accept that this offer was made with good intent

ROB K - As for your requrest for me to name all the applicants, let them name themselves if they choose to.

[wheel_nut]

A fairer idea would have been to send John 50p to buy a raffle ticket and the one drawn out of a hat would have won a C and C+E the competition rules would have stated that the winner must write a review in a media already chosen for them.

I cannot see how the goal posts are still in the same field

Edited because I didn’t write right rite right?

[animal]

In the O/P you stated that it had to be someone who was thinking about it or just starting off on the road

Now the person who you decided was the best for this is a new ish member has done some training failed his Cat C has a re test already booked so if he passes that then all he will need will be his CE like a lot of us on here who did not PM you because we thought we did not fit the criteria there was 1 of did fit the criteria but you decided he was not the right candidate so to me that is moving the goal post or " lets play Alice in Wonderland "

If you had said on here that there wernt many replies so you would change the criteria then open it up to more members

[coffeeholic]

LGVTrainer:
Coffee, the name of the forum is “New and Wannabe Drivers”. I have read hundreds of posts from people asking advice about starting out. Which provider to use, questions about the medical, the licence forms etc. Why would I expect the uptake to be so low.

You wouldn’t, but when you did you could have relaxed the criteria then instead of just giving it to someone who had applied but didn’t meet the criteria and in the process ■■■■■■■ off those who had not applied because they didn’t qualify. Also questions asked on here about starting out and so on are not really relevant to this issue.

LGVTrainer:
Even if I had relaxed the criteria before making a decision the final person chosen would have most likely been somebody that had not even passed the rigid test. There would have been more applicants many in identical positions, some with a provisional, some with a theory pass etc and you and others would now be critisiing me for the person finally chosen.

No, because everyone who wanted to apply would have had a fair crack at applying unlike the situation now.

LGVTrainer:
The person receiving the free training has not yet passed any LGV test. In fact he is probably in a better position to be able to make a comparison between training providers when he does come to us.

Ah, so the truth comes out just a little. Why did you not specify in your original post you wanted someone who had already experienced training so they could then report how much better you are? In my opinion you are making yourself look more devious with every post you make and you really should think of this -

LGVTrainer:
The entire project was devised as a way of getting across the experience of our services. Hopefully what will be written will be of interest to our local papers as well as board members. As for time, money and effort there is potentially no limit to what this will cost us in these respects.

So why specify the person should be right at the start of their path to gaining the licences as you clearly did not mean that?

LGVTrainer:
The way some people are talking on here you would think I have done wrong. I am sure most people accept that this offer was made with good intent

I’m sure most of us did originally. Now I think there is very much a different opinion as it is obvious you made your decision to limit, in whatever way you could, the cost to you and to have somebody who could compare training providers, not something that was mention in the original offer at all which was they would hopefully just write an account of the exercise.

[coffeeholic]

catmeat:

rubberduckY1234:
Hi everyone, i had an email from Flair Training the other day to confirm my free course, so heres whats included
Re: Confirmation of FREE Course

Congratulations! on being the recipient of a FREE Flair LGV experience.

Please see below for what is included with this course.

Flair FREE Course

Included:-

· 2/3 day Rigid Training (if needed)

· Rigid Test Fee (if needed)

· Unlimited FREE Rigid Retest Training (if needed)

· Unlimited FREE Rigid Retest Test Fees (if needed)

· 4 day Artic Training Course

· Artic Test Fee

· Unlimited FREE Artic Retest Training

· Unlimited FREE Artic Retest Test Fees

· FREE Bed & Breakfast Accommodation for the duration of all training courses

Please let me know the outcome of your Rigid Retest on 17th February 2011, so that we can progress with your Flair Training.

Well you cant complain at that ■■

Indeed most of us can’t. However, the people who were not able to take advantage of the offer because they thought they were not eligible but then found out, after the prize had been awarded, they were in fact eligible can.

[rob_k]

LGVTrainer:
Hopefully what will be written will be of interest to our local papers

Nothing new there then eh.

[chris_g]

Rob K:

LGVTrainer:
Hello Rob, the guy with the best reputation on the board

I don’t give a flying [zb] about my reputation on here. If people don’t like what they see/read from me then they can [zb] off. Their issue not mine. You, on the other hand…

For another and definately the last time I do not consider the goalposts were moved. I could not have anticipated the apparent lack of interest in the offer. I expected a lot more people to apply and when they didn’t I choose who I considered to the best choice from the few that had applied.

What a load of BS. You stated in your post on page 2 that you had 4 applicants before you made your decision. Chris_g was one of the people who applied and currently has no LGV licence (only 7.5 grandfather rights) so he 100% fitted your criteria to train from start to finish. Why wasn’t he chosen? And what about the other 2 people who applied? What was their licence status and their usernames here?

So once again John, why did you move the goal posts and why did you blatantly ignore member applications that 100% fitted the specified criteria?

that i correct i only have 7.5t g/f rights and that is what i put in the pm to john
i also said i had a little experiance driving 17t and artics as i use to shunt them around for my old boss so ui wonder if that went against me

[cbarnes]

i cant believe he is still trying to defend his desicion makes me chuckle and he clearly knows he is wrong (yes lgv trainer im talking about you)

[pilotwolf]

Maybe as a goodwill gesture he will give all those of us with a C and therefore also have other training facilities to compare his to, that didn’t apply because we thought we weren’t eligible the chance of a free C+E course?

I for one only started in November last year and (thanks largely to a good instructor and in his words “…easy to teach.”) I passed first time with 3 minors - potentially a good risk too for not many retests?

PW.

[animal]

Or maybe the person who did PM him that did fit the full criteria a Cat C course as if ruberduckY1234 passes his re test then he will effectively only be getting the CE

[cbarnes]

i totlly agree with you both lol but truthly the likely hood is very unlikely what was it he said “would cost less if he passes” lol i for one wouldnt say no to a free couse lol was bloody hard as funded mine whilst being unemployed finallly got my mod 4 date for this thursday at least be out the way befor the dreaded operation lol

[paul_pstt]

Re: Probably not been done before

Postby LGVTrainer » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:47 pm

Peter Smythe wrote:

What you describe above is the dying breed of “trainer” who frankly isn’t worth the air he breathes.

I am a little bit disapointed Pete with your comment.

Why John? It wasn’t directed at you. I’ve never met you, I know nothing of what you do, I’ve heard the stories of the old times and I haven’t got an opinion on you, your operation or your current offer and the chaos that folk have made out of it.

[paul_pstt]

you know it is getting difficult especially for you the only company to have it’s own test centre.

John. Speak for yourself. It’s not difficult for us at all. We’re up to the eyes with work and the job is bouyant to put it mildly.

Having our own test centre has proved to be attractive to candidates and is a big draw to those who choose to look around before deciding.

Two more newbies have called this morning, liked what they saw and and gone away happy. One had been elsewhere, found a muddy yard, dirty lorry, grubby portakabin and unkempt instructor. (But he is £200 cheaper than me!!!). In his own words, it’s a no brainer.

They both turned up without notice and I repeat, as always, that candidates should go and look before booking.

Good luck all

[pete-b]

Peter Smythe:

and the chaos that folk have made out of it.

Really?

[49er]

Take my hat off to you John, whether you are doing this for your own publicity or not, i don’t see any other trainer doing the same, nor have i ever seen it done.

Good luck on the endeavour …

[wheel_nut]

Peter Smythe:
One had been elsewhere, found a muddy yard, dirty lorry, grubby portakabin and unkempt instructor. (But he is £200 cheaper than me!!!). In his own words, it’s a no brainer.

They both turned up without notice and I repeat, as always, that candidates should go and look before booking.

First impressions count Peter, in more ways then one. The term; “Reputations precede you” come to mind in this busy thread

On a similar note. I saw a “local” LGV training school lorry yesterday trying to navigate a quite narrow road near my home yesterday, in the middle of a 7.5tonne zone. I am not sure if driving tests are still carried out at Derby test station on Raynesway, but doubt they would use this as a test route.

[paul_pstt]

I saw a “local” LGV training school lorry yesterday trying to navigate a quite narrow road near my home yesterday, in the middle of a 7.5tonne zone. I am not sure if driving tests are still carried out at Derby test station on Raynesway, but doubt they would use this as a test route.

To the best of my knowledge there’s been no LGV tests conducted from Raynesway for many years. But when they did run tests from there, the examiners had an exemption from certain 7.5 limits.

Pete

[rob_k]

So where’s this diary of events about rubberducky’s progress then?

[brawngp]

Rob K:
So where’s this diary of events about rubberducky’s progress then?

Going to be posted in this thread apparently!

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67611

[rubberducky1234]

Rob K:
So where’s this diary of events about rubberducky’s progress then?

Just for you rob, to keep you informed about whats going on just incase you never read the below thread.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67535

I passed my class c in birmingham on the 17th feb and am now awaiting the return of my lovley new licence before i can start my Flair training in Essex.

In the mean time i have been spending quite a lot of time using the flair training website.
flairtraining.co.uk/index.html
I have this found very informative, it has some good free training tools in the free online classroom eg; digital tacho demonstration and usefull videos of Lgv tests.

I notice the prices that Flair training offer are very very good as there is quite alot included in the price for rigid and artic training, I think if i did my cat c training with them i could of saved about 500quid even with staying away from home for a week. As it turns out they are saving me a fortune for getting me through my c+e by giving me a free training course. woohooo.
The vehicles look modern and only 4 years old so will be nice to drive and im looking forward to having a go in them i’ll take some more pictures of them and put them on here when i start the course.

I spoke to John the other day he sounds like a great bloke and i cant wait to meet him, I have spoken to his office and so far its all been a very pleasant and professional experience.

Hope this brings you back up to date Rob