Well, He who dares wins. Good luck with the training. Make sure you screw as much out of it as you can. I often think that the reason why very few companies will take on new drivers is that they know how training schools work. You get to test standard and pass, but nothing else. Once you have that cert, and thay have all your cash, that’s it. No tacho or drivers’ hours training (as training vehicles don’t need to use them) . No loading ( as they run light) No paperwork (as thery dont need to do any) . You’re esentially just renting a knackered old truck to practice in for 300 to 400 quid a day. They don’t teach you anything about loading bays, lifts, curtains etc.
As I say, make sure you get your money’s worth, and tell us how you get on.
Rubberducky asked if he could state what was included in the deal.
Go for it my friend who I have yet to talk to.
Pass or fail it doesn’t matter Me and Ian AKA rubberducky will finish this deal on a high
Either grow some or get out
Jennie, I will call you by email, sorry for the delay
LGVTrainer:
Rubberducky asked if he could state what was included in the deal.That was stated in your 1st post on this
Pass or fail it doesn’t matter Me and Ian AKA rubberducky will finish this deal on a high
Either grow some or get out
Jennie, I will call you by email, sorry for the delay
Can I ask why Jennie 
When if it is referring to her post about she would have applied for this but only has a Cat C so didnt then I think you should read the whole post again
Hi guys and girls.
My last message was about training schools, and it seams to me that a lot of them sell you training to do a job, but actually give you training to pass a test and that’ where it ends. I got an e-mail in my normal e-mail box off admin about these comments, saying that actual job training is possible, but trainees wouldn’t be willing to pay for it. Maybe the driver cpc is some sort of all-encompassing font of knowledge on all matters of professional lorry driving. Or maybe it should be for what they charge fot it. I don’t know because I don’t need to do it and haven’t heard of it getting anyone a job.
My point in reply to the e-mail is that Employers know the industry, and know what training provides and what it doesn’t provide. Training companies should know the industry and what it requires and what it doesn’t, and trainees know very little about the industry because it’s difficult enought to get a job with a lisence, never mind without one. I just think that a little bit more transparency would be nice. Some training schools claim to be able to find you a job afrerwards. Some make claims on how much you will be earning once you get the lisence. Some claim that there is a cronic shortage of drivers. Really? If that was true, the big firms would be training drivers themselves like bus compaines do wouldn’t they■■? If I’m wrong, then I bow to the superior knowledge of the administrator who sent the e-mail, but I thought open forums like this were for open discussion and this is what I think. Back to the original topic. Ruberducky, good luck. What you’ve agreed to with John seams a bit ambiguous to me, but there’s lots of opinion about this already and I’m not qualified to offer one,
Take it easy, relax, and have a good one.
danny-jones why dont you start a new thread with this ^^ post but I know what you are saying you only learn to drive to pass your test then you learn to drive but if you go back to when you did your car test it was the same " you learn to drive to pass your test then you learn to drive " it has always been the same
Maybe it is due to the variety of work that can be offered once you have your licence that they couldnt possibly teach it all or the cost of training would go up by a fair amount although that might not be a bad thing in some respects as it would put a few people off although not all as they have gone from using flat beds to "box/curtain siders " for the test also they are not single axel trailers any more
This is only my point of view as I am not a provider / trainer
Hi everyone, i had an email from Flair Training the other day to confirm my free course, so heres whats included 
Re: Confirmation of FREE Course
Congratulations! on being the recipient of a FREE Flair LGV experience.
Please see below for what is included with this course.
Flair FREE Course
Included:-
· 2/3 day Rigid Training (if needed)
· Rigid Test Fee (if needed)
· Unlimited FREE Rigid Retest Training (if needed)
· Unlimited FREE Rigid Retest Test Fees (if needed)
· 4 day Artic Training Course
· Artic Test Fee
· Unlimited FREE Artic Retest Training
· Unlimited FREE Artic Retest Test Fees
· FREE Bed & Breakfast Accommodation for the duration of all training courses
Please let me know the outcome of your Rigid Retest on 17th February 2011, so that we can progress with your Flair Training.
Nice 1 hope you enjoy & take full advantage of this offer
But good luck on the 17th Feb for your re test
i would av paid for my own b&b 
danny-jones:
I often think that the reason why very few companies will take on new drivers is that they know how training schools work. You get to test standard and pass, but nothing else. Once you have that cert, and thay have all your cash, that’s it. No tacho or drivers’ hours training (as training vehicles don’t need to use them) . No loading ( as they run light) No paperwork (as thery dont need to do any) . You’re esentially just renting a knackered old truck to practice in for 300 to 400 quid a day. They don’t teach you anything about loading bays, lifts, curtains etc.
I suggest you check the facts before being so critical of the training industry. What you describe above is the dying breed of “trainer” who frankly isn’t worth the air he breathes. But please recognise the difference between the bloke running a banger out of a pub yard with no qualifications and no ability, let alone desire, to teach you anything and a truly professional training body.
Thankfully, things are moving on and there are two official registers that anyone can check.
These can be found at: dft.gov.uk/dsa/category.asp?cat=324
and at
LGV Register Section
Driving Standards Agency
The Axis Building
112 Upper Parliament Street
Nottingham
NG1 6LP
The website gives details of the 8 different trainers in the country offering commercial training. These are the ONLY trainers in the country actually accredited by the Driving Standards Agency.
It’s worth reminding folk out there that, unlike car instructors, HGV/LGV instructors do not have to be qualified and registered. It’s something that should have been addressed years ago but in the meantime it leaves the field open to anyone running a rusty old truck with no proven ability to instruct. So it must be worth checking before you part with your hard earned.
So far as the additional training goes, I fully agree that this should be available. In our case, it is. And yes it does cost more. If you went for a pint would you expect crisps to be included? No. Some would want them, others wouldn’t. End result is that everyone would end up paying for stuff they didn’t want or need. The important thing is to find out that what ever training you need is actually available - even if it’s at an extra cost (which, compared to the rest of it, is minimal).
Had my little rant for the day. Good luck everyone.
Peter: This is clearly an emotive subject, so I’ve edited the poster’s name into your quote to give folk a chance to see who you’re quoting. dd. 
Completely agree with the Smythester here!
As this industry is so poorly regulated you dont know what you are going to get! If something sounds to good to be true…well it just is.
danny-Jones you must be referring to brokers and middlemen as no reputable training company would guarantee you a job, or tell you what you will earn!. It just does not happen.
We train you to get you pass the test. If you want to spend more money then we can offer more training. Please do not label all training provider as having crappy old trucks either as this is not the case.
As Peter (and others) have said before. Visit the training company before you part with any money. Then you can check the state of the training vehicles yourself./
hgvlgv training
Just hope not many retests are needed or else it could look bad for the training provider.
Good Luck
Well good luck to Rubberducky and Well done to Flair for giving someone the opportunity. Sounds like a nice offer so good luck to all 
I look forward to reading your diary
Wish Id spotted it sooner, but hey ho lol 
Anyway off to find some sugar daddy to pay for my course lol ! Joking…unless theres offers !
Peter Smythe:
What you describe above is the dying breed of “trainer” who frankly isn’t worth the air he breathes.
I am a little bit disapointed Pete with your comment.
I have trained people for nearly 30 years but you know it is getting difficult especially for you the only company to have it’s own test centre.
I have 2 local papers waiting to meet rubberducky and write a story. Essex is completely full of providers but nowhere near as good as us.
Keep the faith Pete, I know that nobody loves me.
Treat other people in life or on this board as you would want to be treated.
Love John
So John, are you ever going to explain your reasons for moving the goal posts and sneakily changing the criteria or you going to continue ignoring the FIVE people that have asked and let your already abysmal reputation be dragged even further into the gutter? Honesty is not one of your strong points is it?
Hello Rob, the guy with the best reputation on the board
For another and definately the last time I do not consider the goalposts were moved. I could not have anticipated the apparent lack of interest in the offer. I expected a lot more people to apply and when they didn’t I choose who I considered to the best choice from the few that had applied.
As regards reputation I only care what our customers think when they attend the courses. How many complaints about our services can you point to on the board.
As for honesty actually yes I do consider it one of my stronger points unless you have evidence to the contrary.
Regards, i’m sure our paths will cross again
John
Flair Training
LGVTrainer:
For another and definately the last time I do not consider the goalposts were moved. I could not have anticipated the apparent lack of interest in the offer. I expected a lot more people to apply and when they didn’t I choose who I considered to the best choice from the few that had applied.
Seriously? Are you kidding? What a load of ■■■■■■■■. 
It is obvious that more people did not apply because they felt they did not meet your, apparently, strict criteria of being at the very start of their path to get a licence, people have posted to that effect on this topic. So you limit the number of people who can apply by stating clearly a requirement that must be met to take advantage of your offer, then you give the ‘prize’ to someone who clearly does not meet that initial requirement claiming you were forced to due to lack of interest. That’s moving the goalposts whatever way you look at it. You cannot claim lack of interest for this when you were the one who limited the potential applicants in the first place. The time to move the goalposts would have been when you realised uptake was slow and you could have relaxed your initial requirement so more people would have PM’d you, again people have said they would have done this.
People are going to continue to assume you made the decision you did as it won’t cost you as much in money, time or effort.
LGVTrainer:
Hello Rob, the guy with the best reputation on the board
I don’t give a flying ■■■■ about my reputation on here. If people don’t like what they see/read from me then they can ■■■■ off. Their issue not mine. You, on the other hand…
For another and definately the last time I do not consider the goalposts were moved. I could not have anticipated the apparent lack of interest in the offer. I expected a lot more people to apply and when they didn’t I choose who I considered to the best choice from the few that had applied.
What a load of BS. You stated in your post on page 2 that you had 4 applicants before you made your decision. Chris_g was one of the people who applied and currently has no LGV licence (only 7.5 grandfather rights) so he 100% fitted your criteria to train from start to finish. Why wasn’t he chosen? And what about the other 2 people who applied? What was their licence status and their usernames here?
So once again John, why did you move the goal posts and why did you blatantly ignore member applications that 100% fitted the specified criteria?
rubberduckY1234:
Hi everyone, i had an email from Flair Training the other day to confirm my free course, so heres whats included
Re: Confirmation of FREE CourseCongratulations! on being the recipient of a FREE Flair LGV experience.
Please see below for what is included with this course.
Flair FREE Course
Included:-
· 2/3 day Rigid Training (if needed)
· Rigid Test Fee (if needed)
· Unlimited FREE Rigid Retest Training (if needed)
· Unlimited FREE Rigid Retest Test Fees (if needed)
· 4 day Artic Training Course
· Artic Test Fee
· Unlimited FREE Artic Retest Training
· Unlimited FREE Artic Retest Test Fees
· FREE Bed & Breakfast Accommodation for the duration of all training courses
Please let me know the outcome of your Rigid Retest on 17th February 2011, so that we can progress with your Flair Training.
Well you cant complain at that ■■
LGVTrainer:
Call me soft or crazy but I am offering 1 person a completely free course with us.Only 1 condition.
I would ask that the person tells of their experience on the board. This is not intended to sell courses but just to tell of the whole mission from start to finish.
The free deal includes the entire Flair Training package from start to artic pass. inc the CPC
Please PM me but for this you must be at the very start of the mission ie just thinking of starting.
If you fail we pay everything including test fees, theory, driving, everything.
Doubt this has ever been offered before.
So there is no doubt, everything is Free, but you have to tell of your experience every little bit of the way on the board.
The course and all training will be in Chelmsford.
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rubberduckY1234:
Hi everyone, i had an email from Flair Training the other day to confirm my free course, so heres whats included
Re: Confirmation of FREE CourseCongratulations! on being the recipient of a FREE Flair LGV experience.
Please see below for what is included with this course.
Flair FREE Course
Included:-
· 2/3 day Rigid Training (if needed)
· Rigid Test Fee (if needed)
· Unlimited FREE Rigid Retest Training (if needed)
· Unlimited FREE Rigid Retest Test Fees (if needed)
· 4 day Artic Training Course
· Artic Test Fee
· Unlimited FREE Artic Retest Training
· Unlimited FREE Artic Retest Test Fees
· FREE Bed & Breakfast Accommodation for the duration of all training courses
Please let me know the outcome of your Rigid Retest on 17th February 2011, so that we can progress with your Flair Training.
Well you cant complain at that ■■
Yes, you can, because it’s all empty words. Anyone can write a load of BS detailing the potential expenditure of training someone, then conveniently chose someone that only needs a few quid spending on them because all the expensive stuff has already been done.