so saying
to describe the armed military invasion of another country, the bombing and missile attacks killing many civilians is not spin?
the thing is the war is hyped up… to follow the eu narrative of how evil russia is. A friend of mines daughter lived on the russian ukraine border. It was in our news that there had been mass bombings in the area. My friend was obviously worried about her daughter so rang her and nothing had happened.
540 million huh so 200 million more than the rwanda scheme. Of course it wont work. it hasnt worked in the past and it wont work now. The french dont want to foot the bill to sort the genuine from the chancers or to send them back.
Past governments have tried to work with the french time and time again pouring more and more money into it and it hasnt worked. All the french do is say merci por le loot and carry on letting them through. Then when they are a bit skint hit us up for more money on some pretense that their equipment is broken or not upto snuff
I have even seen the gendarme helping the migrants by stopping british lorries and while the driver is distracted dealing with paperwork etc they are all climbing in the back of the trailer.
How long will it be before there is a headline hgv driver jailed for killing a migrant by driving off while they were trying to sneak into the back of his trailer?
Well I for one know that mate, but do not fall into the trap of feeling the NEED to explain all this type of cack as a caveat.
The only people waiting in eternal anticipation to judge you and shout racist at you are the cancerous lefties and their useful idiots…they do not matter a ■■■■ in the whole realm of things.
Also they (evidently) are waiting to refute any point of view other than the official and popular narrative. 
I also know a few Ukranians, but mainly refugees, wives mothers and kids who’s men of fighting age are bravely staying behind to fight for them…(all very commendable in comparison btw to the other dregs languishing over here…any opportunity taken 
)
In those circumstances I would not be so crass as to ask them their political opinions whilst their men are out there risking getting killed.
I would think on the face of it they would show support to Zelensky’s moves… , but secretly wish for anything if that brought their men to safety.
Apart from that, we all know how Labour now prioritise on their new target voters…the Molem vote, with their two tier policies,…and especially after they have written off their previous target voters, the working class,.as ‘Far right racists’, so it’s all about endearment for future votes in vast numbers.
I was being ironic. I didn’t think that it was necessary to include the inverted commas.
It wouldn’t have made much difference anyway seeing as you are as per usual not discussing but merely disagreeing as is your wont.
On the www we cannot see your facial expression nor hear your tone of voice.
Chalk it up to a misunderstanding. 
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thing is for the last 18 months the uk population has grown by 2,350 a day
Getting a bit quiet this thread.
Looks like everybody is preoccupied with Trump, the US and Ukraine whilst at the same time we are still having our own clown leader to contend with, who seems to be getting a free ride compared to the days of old Boris especially.
Posted this on Trump thread, so I’ll post it on here.
My pet hate/favourite subject no less…needless to say.
hows old starmer doing with smashing the gangs and stopping the boats? last 3 days there have been 842 come over. Highest for the same period was 631 in 2022. That well known period that boris was in charge and got slated on here for it. Even if no more arrive it will still be 87 higher than the first 2 weeks of march 22.
5/10/24 973 arrived highest number in one day since 12/11/22
4/7/23 - 3/3/24 20,671 same period under starmer ie 4/7/24 - 3/3/25 26,202 thats 5,531 more under starmer. That is 531 people more than is needed to make a town according to the census
as he has failed miserably and stopping the illegals how has he faired at stopping the boats over the same period. 4/7/23 - 3/3/24 394 boats arrived. 4/7/24 - 3/3/25 422 boats arrived. so 28 more. failed at that too 
surly though he cares about the safety of these poor vulnerable people as that is always mentioned along with his tag line…lets see… 20,671 / 394 = average of 52.46 people per boat. 26,202 / 422 = average of 62.09 people per boat so 9.63 more people per boat so a resounding no as he has failed dismally at that too!!
I have a cunning plan I should put to Starmer. 
We have an abundance of young men of fighting age wandering our streets with nothing to do after entering illegally.
Conscript them and send them to Ukraine to annoy the Russians…(a lot of em already have military style experience in the Taliban.)
We get shot of them it gives them summet to do , and our own soldiers need not get involved.
Double whammy.
You’re welcome.
I feel though that I might have to summon ‘Billy the Kid’ on here if it came off to keep the weeping liberals in order.
you make a fair point…to take it slightly further. I wonder how many lefties that were born and raised english would serve if they were conscripted when the illegals sit languishing in 5 star hotels.
Not a bad shout 
rayner opens her mouth again… to be fair there was no mention of being a single parent but she said the pensioners were better off and that the governments job was to keep this countrys borders safe so there had to be money taken from somewhere to pay for it.
They can’t stop what’s coming in through the borders now so it’s all smoke and mirrors as for protecting the borders that’s so funny
They are not 4 or 5 star hotels apparently, they are hell hole hostels and they are not illegal, they are “irregular” … well, according to some.
Looks like 2 tier Kier is definitely smashing those gangs as promised.
The ‘‘some’’ you refer to are much more concerned and preoccupied with what is going on across the Atlantic bizzarelly…especially the ex.main contributor to this thread,.who seems to have stopped constantly and incessantlly criticising the UKgovt, a similar incompetent one, but in different ways to the last one
Maybe it’s a case of ostrich itis, head burying to what is going on in THIS country, and especially where there is a new ‘hate figure’ on the scene to replace Boris.
So much easier than to admit ‘they’ may have been waay off by saying this shower of sh are better or not as bad as the Tories.
I am more realistic they are all the same but with different faults and different f.ups.