I have little doubt that your mate will know the best way to mangle his wurzels when the moon is full, and suchlike farm stuff, but did he tell you about the intricacies of the new tax regulations?
I have seen experts in many fields take advice from accountants re tax law and the like. Knowing how to plough a field is no guarantee that one is automatically a financial whizz.
Ed to add this
Being a hard working farmer does not mean you are also well informed about taxes and finance. Why would you be?
AKA the one’s who on mass were there in Central London on Tuesday. I refuse to believe the sheer numbers who were there are all tax dodging farmers simply it in to buy land and profiteer.
In the Blue corner we have somebody who actually KNOWS what he is talking about.
A guy who does the job, and knows it inside out and exactly what he is doing, and whose family have farmed for generations, in a succesful business, as succesful businessmen…with all the business acumen required.
In the Red corner we have an individual in contrast who THINKS he knows what he is talking about.
Whose knowledge of farming (and particularly the present state of affairs in question) consists only of what he has googled, and whose only tenuous link with farming is…
‘He used to pass blokes in fields on tractors whilst driving his truck’…
And who’s agenda is only to back up a dubious and controversial policy because he supports the policy makers…as ever…
Incidentally another point is, and I HAVE to say this…
Who tf do you actually think you are to belittle and trivialise my mate with your stereotypical claptrap, by implying that my mate can manage mundane jobs like picking turnips, but is a lousy businessman.
How f kin arrogantly presumptious is that ? …even for you.
Cant wait to whats app him that little gem of a screenshot. …
(Not a man to upset either…even I would not tangle with him.)
Whats app…send…
'‘Hey mate, you know that bloke off that forum we were on about earler today, just wait to you see this’'
Screenshot…send.
You really excel yourself at making enemies don’t ya.
So to sum up in simple terms…If there is a controversial point about trucking, whose opinion are you going to listen to?
A full time trucker, or a full time hairdresser.
To put it in plain English if he says in this context that you are a f##### w##### who am I to argue with him.
And especially with knowledge and past experience of you on here.
I think that is Tim Farron the Cumbria MP in the middle of the photo, obviously on the protest, is he not well informed?
A recent article in The Guardian claims that 100 rural MP’s are now voicing concerns about the new IHT proposals.
Thing is mate, Franglais is your typical Liberal lefty, they cannot abide anyone who puts themselves out there and becomes successful or generates any sort of wealth for themselves.
Rather ironically and in the context of this debate is the fact that many many farmers actually make a pittance - almost to the point that you wonder why they do it relevant to the time spent doing it.
You think we moan about the hours we do in our industry, that’s nothing compared to the farmers and they just get on with it. Working extreme hours in all weathers, all year round, being ripped off left, right and center by the supermarkets. Then you get morons wanting to penalise them even more financially when there are plenty of other places they could be looking.
Socialism has form in trying to seize and control and redistribute the food production sector.It didn’t end well whether Soviet Union or China or South Africa/Rhodesia.
Having been bored enough to skim through both of your video’s of this accountant, boy he really does not like farmers does he (particularly the Sky news one).
I can only come to the conclusion, and in keeping with the farming theme that he came home one day to find his wife being “porked” by a farmer.
Yeah I get it.
When I was in business I had good and enjoyable highs, and some pretty depressing lows…as most owner drivers do.
Many people think because you are a (small) business owner, run a nice car (on finance) live in a nice house (on mortgage) etc that you are well off…not always nor often the case.
Also when things did eventualy go tits up, I had people making comments on what I should and should not have done …‘‘Armchair Experts’’ who would never have had the nous nor balls to have a go themselves…, but still thought they were qualified to comment and purvey their ‘‘expertise’’…as on here.
I think a lot of what is being said on here in a transport analogy, is like tarring Mr Joe Bloggs the owner driver with the same brush as Mr Eddie Stobart.
And the last thing Mr Bloggs needs is to be facing the same terms and restrictions as Mr Stobart, their businesses are like chalk and cheese.
(I sent my mate that Whats App btw, I don’t think Franglais has gained another fan…put it that way. )
True, which is why the majority of farmers will in the future pay nothing.
What? Should small businesses get special treatment because the only way they can money is by running bent?
The new rules still gives farmers a lot of leeway that other businesses do not get. Millions of pounds worth of exemptions are available to farmers that are not available to hauliers for example.
He should be well informed of course.
Remember that he is a politician and as an opposition MP will be trying to garner support everywhere.
Having said that, what has he said is specifically wrong with the tax changes I wonder?
Given we do need to raise taxes,l who does he say should be paying more? If the richer, and not the poorer, farmers who does he think should be paying?
And rural MPs are more likely Tory and so members of the opposition.
No where have I claimed expertise.
I have pointed to real experts. Those who know about money and tax.
What is said wrongly in the videos I posted?
I don’t care if your mate thinks I am stupid, but tell me why he says that. Tell me what is wrong in my stance.
No you did not mention running bent, so how should small hauliers be treated differently to big ones in your opinion?
Small farmers are getting better tax deals than other small businesses.
Why should big land owners get the same treatment as small hard working farmers? That is what the new rules are about!
Why should billionaires get zero tax because they “invest” in fields for tax purposes, pushing up costs for real farmers who wanyt to actually grow food?
And there we have it…as I said,.a Labour class war against who they see as wealthty and/or middle class Tory voters
And ANOTHER excuse for YOU to predictably jump on the ‘official bandwagon’ and have another pop at The Tories.
Pathetic
Are you stupid, just generally obtuse …or both.
YOU actually interpreted my post as me mentioning running bent…and implied it so.
I did not say they should be treated different, I dont know how they could be treated differently in tems of fairness, because like you I drive a truck, but unlike you I do not profess to be an expert on everything or some kind of poundshop politician.
It’s amazing how you get your cardigan in a twist about hard working people trying to maximise earnings whilst paying taxes, but ignore and willingly write off and shrug off, millions being continuously wasted on MY biggest issue bugbear.
Yep you guessed it…illegal immigration.
You will no doubt bore the arse off us all now with stats and graphs pointing out the difference in figures, to ‘‘prove’’ one issue is more important than the other.
Principles are same…the quest to save and conserve money, revenue, to spend on the good of the country, but on one side saving it from honest hard working conscientious Brits, on the other saving it from hostile illegal foreigners who are a drain on our society who have no right to be here in first place…and who pay NO tax.
Yes I DO keep bringing things around to this, as you do the Tories… so if you stop knocking the Tories/championing the Labour Party I will shut the ■■■■ up about illegal immigrants causing problems…or in your deluded world ‘Irregular immigrants in hostels waiting to grant asylum to enhance our society’
As I said last time…
Clown !
“Tell me what is wrong in my stance”.
stance=opinion
If your stance is based on personal opinion shouldn’t your responses start “this is what I think” or “I personally disagree” with knowledgeable (OED intelligent and well informed) answers that are all in your own words instead of using Google links, you know what you might just gain some respect.
You are exactly stating that large and small companies should run under different rules!
At the moment there is a two system whereby people who buy up loads of farm land, get to pass their wealth on tax free. But those who have cash in the bank or other assets are taxed.
Why should those who inflate the price of farmland, making things harder for genuine farmers get let off paying their fair dues?
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