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[franglais]

@Gateshead

The goverment has requisitioned a 3/4 * hotel to house irregular immigrants,

Interesting. Any evidence of that?

@Gateshead

when they promised several times in the last twelve months the practice would stop.

This Gov were not in office 12 months ago.

@Gateshead

Cancelling weddings and other social events to clear the hotel.

Have weddings been cancelled by the Gov? Where is that from?

@Gateshead

The local NHS have employed a third party to provide immediate healthcare, probably on site, in other words a health care house visit for 300 complete strangers newly arrived in the country.

Would you prefer for care to come from existing (probably overstretched) surgeries? Have these new comers in existing local facilities? I suspect that some would not like that at all.

@Gateshead

Meanwhile 90 year old Aunt Aggie down the road has to wait two or three weeks for a GP appointment at the practice she has probably used for the last 50 years.
She has to make her own way to the surgery despite any inclement weather. The GP will only accept on line appointments so she had to get her niece to make the appointment for her.

I agree that the NHS been underfunded for years which is why it is in such a bad state at the moment.
I blame the lack of investment and the silly people who always vote for a tax cut but are surprised when public services get worse.
I do not blame a few thousands of migrants for the millions awaiting treatment.
The NHS queues were growing for years even before 2019/20.
Go and look at sources such as the NHS, The King’s Fund, and see how it has been going.

@Gateshead

Now tell us there is no queue jumping

I did not say there was no queue jumping.

@franglais

To queue jump is very much not appropriate.

I also suggested to @robroy that if he had any info about queue jumping that he should report it to the LHA or to the media. I said that is what I would do.
If you know of queue jumping then I suggest that you report it.

[franglais]

@Gateshead

“I thought it a good source and was reliable”

You “thought” it was a good source but also declared it reliable.

How do you decide reliability ???

Mea culpa
You are correct.
I should have written " thought it was a good source, because I thought it was reliable". That would have removed any ambiguity in the statement I was trying to make.
My failure entirely.

[robroy]

He’s in his element…
Arguments on THREE fronts.

You’ve far too much time on your hands mate…seriously

[maoster]

There’s a man driving down the motorway when his wife phones him and says “I’ve just heard on the radio that a maniac is driving the wrong way down the motorway “ he responds with……

Well I’m sure you’ve all heard it. It’s what came to mind here.

[robroy]

@franglais

I also suggested to @robroy that if he had any info about queue jumping that he should report it to the LHA or to the media. I said that is what I would do.
If you know of queue jumping then I suggest that you report it.

When I want advice of the likes of you mate, (aka NEVER) I will ask for it.
And in the very unlikely event I find it a good idea, I will be definitely having a word with myself.

‘Reporting’ things and other people is definitely more your department mate, and has never been mine.

Speaking of… I have heard of a few people being approached by the Police for something like ‘Non criminal hate speech’ including on.social media.
I forget the correct terminology.

Apparentlly Starmer fully agrees with the Police ‘gathering data for potential future crime’ on people…
Hardly surprising with his views on free speech, FB and all the rest of it.
Some children have even been approached for calling other kids ‘retards’ one for telling a girl she was smelly.
This stuff should be dealt with by teaching assistants and ‘dinner ladies’ ffs…not the Police Force.
Are they trying to create a generation who dares not say what they really think, and question it?..and who will readily take an official narrative as gospel?

Conspiracy theory alert…
As this thing with kids is tantamount to indoctrination, the left wing version of the Hitlerjugend, is this the next stage of the Covid experiment to see how far people would go with total servility, and then informing on their neighbours who wete non conformists…Stazi style.?
(Not my own theory personally btw, but as ever an open mind is kept)

All this radical lefty b/s must be right up your main strasse @Franglais.

[Newlion]

@robroy

He’s in his element…
Arguments on THREE fronts.

You’ve far too much time on your hands mate…seriously

Three times the amount of work, three times the amount of previous post hunting, three times the amount of previous article hunting to discredit anything anyone else says.

[Newlion]

@franglais

No. I ask for evidence.

So as far as you are concerned its not true if you personally don’t see evidence? You’ve really got a high opinion of yourself and your views in that case.

[robroy]

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/people/146-asylum-seekers-to-be-moved-into-peterboroughs-lakeside-dragonfly-hotel-4867891#commentsWidget

Another luxury hotel being comandeered to cater for a large group of illegally entered fit young men of fighting age.
Including unknown criminals and potential terrorists, of an alien and hostile culture, to put a burden on a local community once again, and for us all to fund as taxpayers.

Looks a nice place, luxury rooms, refurbished bar, picturesque views apparently.

Hotel in Peterborough - Dragonfly Hotel Peterborough

(The comments by the locals make for interesting reading.)

Or…
In a deluded and naive Franglais lefty spin jargon,… and delivered in a ‘Comical Ali’ stylee.

''Another HOSTEL being put to GOOD use, to supply hospitality and RELIEF for the IRREGULAR immigrants.
All young FAMILIES including those of DOCTORS and SCIENTISTS, of whom we all look forward to ENHANCING our economy and society in future.
All willing to INTEGRATE into our society.
All WELCOMED by the taxpayer, and our taxes put to good use.

The locals look forward to WELCOMING these poor people fleeing from PERSECUTION and WAR.
However this is now a basic HOSTEL with the luxury rooms being made into dormitories.
ALL facilities adapted to minimal service (in case anybody is under the MISAPREHENSION that these FAMILIES are living the life of luxury whilst our own pensioners feel the winter cold, and our indigenous homeless, including military veterans freeze on the streets)

That would be actually quite funny if not so bloody tragic.

[franglais]

@Newlion

So as far as you are concerned its not true if you personally don’t see evidence?

…

@franglais

If GBN and Novara Media are carrying the same story, then it probably has legs.

[Gateshead]

As I said previously it was a Labour pledge to stop using hotels for irregulars, that went well!!!
Like Altrincham, medical assistance will be provided, another 140 or so GP home visits!!

I can’t find anything on GBN or Novara re this story so Franglais will totally disregard it.

[oiltreader]

On Sky News this morning, another job for Starmer’s Thought Police.

Who are the sovereign project's members?

[robroy]

Yep I know…but please don’t fall into their trap of using their f kin pathetic euphamisms, it just gives them legitimacy …‘irregulars’ my arse, they are illegal aliens.
Leave the lefty jargon b/s to the servile naive, they make such a good job of it.

[franglais]

@Gateshead

As I said previously it was a Labour pledge to stop using hotels for irregulars, that went well!!!

Although no time was given, it is not going well is it?
No reasonable person would expect a cut overnight would they? Over the summer months rates of small boats goes up.
If at the end of, say a year in power, there is a substantial cut in the use of hotels, would you count that a promise kept?

The pledge to cut use of hotels has not been met so far, agreed.

[robroy]

Yep the boats increased, …especially when the one and only deterrent was derided and instantly scrapped when Starmer came to power…just to make a political point (at our expense) rather than give it a fair crack or a try at least.

You know the one, the one that cost US a fortune to gear up, the one being considered by other countries to undertake, seeing as all the groundwork and expense had been done.

Word ‘on da street’ which you will undoubtedly dismiss as…‘nonsence’, (seeing as you know much more about the way of the world than us mere mortals) is that the gangs AND the criminal scumbags were actually hoping for a Labour victory, which kinda says it all really.

Still I bet those gangs are quaking in their boots waiting for Starmer to ‘smash’ them.

One notorious gang member who supplied the boats was in the dock last week, (so only about another 1000 to go…or smash.) Starmer even implied that his policy had something to do with it which made me laugh.
While all this is happening these illegals are still landing in droves…unchallenged.

[robroy]

Who gives af.
Nobody takes his inane b/s seriously anymore anyway…especially when he has took to resorting to use the Lefty
‘irregulars/hostels’ jargon, to comply with the narrative.

Anyway whatever,…It’s just kinda dawned on me, a lightbulb moment (being a bit slow to catch on,) why a LABOUR govt, who are supposedlly dedicated to the rights and welfare of the working class, should totally ignore the thoughts and feelings of that class, over people from an alien culture landing here illegally.

Some say for future votes when Labours way of dealing with them will be give 90% of them a house and let them stay.
Ok that is a feasible reason I suppose.
However I think it is for future cheap labour, the wages will come down, the non compliant working class are put in their place, and will be working for reduced wages for doing the job they have done for years.

You guys who moaned about the trucking East Europeans working fir Brit firmd , who were sent back after Brexit,.(when our wages went up) should look up.
In the words of Bachman Turner Overdrive…‘You aint seen nothing yet’'.

Still ‘Labour aint as bad as the Tories’ eh?

[franglais]

@robroy

especially when the one and only deterrent was derided

@robroy

the one being considered by other countries to undertake,

Who is considering using the same scheme? Approx no-one
Some countries are considering using other countries to process asylum seekers. Successful applicants would then be let in. Only the UK was considering banning all applicants permanently.

@robroy

You know the one, the one that cost US a fortune to gear up, the one being considered by other countries to undertake, seeing as all the groundwork and expense had been done.

Ah, the scheme that Braverman herself thought might be illegal when she spent money on it?

@robroy

just to make a political point (at our expense)

Yep, that one.

[franglais]

@robroy

Some say for future votes when Labours way of dealing with them will be give 90% of them a house and let them stay.

In recent years the highest rejection of asylum applicants was 2004.
(88% Blair/Labour)
The lowest was 2022.
(24% Johnson/Truss/Sunak)
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf

[robroy]

Listen mate you can keep on defending the indefensible with smartarse answers, refuting everything anybody tells you…(backed up with links obvs,) and come the ‘know it all’ with the condescending attitude, to your arse hole closes up in sympathy…it’s what we expect.

As I said nobody on here,.(and ESPECIALLY me) , seems to take you seriously anymore.
So just crack on pal.

The rest of us will just take note and deal with what IS actually going on, not what we are led to believe is going on…and deal with it all the best we can.

[franglais]

@robroy

Listen mate you can keep on defending the indefensible

The Rwanda scheme that deterred nobody and cost hundreds of millions? The scheme you want to spend even more on? The scheme that the Gov was warned was a waste of time before it even started including by Tories?

Are you a regular punter here?
If only they flapped a wee bit harder you would have won that bet, wouldn’t you?
https://youtu.be/7xwl9uh9v9k?si=Wps7t1LNCE13UqwK

[robroy]

Tbh mate I dont gaf about the ‘Rwanda’ scheme perse if truth be known…or the ■■■■ ing Tories
It is just that I have strong feelings and concerns over all this stuff as a family man and parent…and especially for the future of my young grand kids…as I have repeatedly told you, I have already personally had a taste of the pitfalls of this crap situation, at this early stage,.and it is only going to get worse as time goes on…and the cover ups go on…
That is why all this derisory deluded b/s you spout about it all, (and you in general) is annoying me.

What I said was that if it had been given a trial at least, THEN condemned if it did not work afterwards, then fair enough.
Not just condemn it as a faliure before it was tried out…but party politics and ppint scoring took precedence.
Surely a child of 5 could get that point.

Newsflash…
Just because you are that far up your own arse thinking you know everything, …does not mean you actually do !

Sure, the scheme may well have been proven a faliure a non starter, but at least it would have been given a try for us to find that out.

I have seen guys on the tv and radio, political correspondents and commentators and the like, who know more about this sort of stuff than you THINK you do, who say in their considered and qualified opinion, that this actually WAS a deterrent.
So why tf should anybody take any notice of YOU over them?..

Fact is mate you know as much as me about all this stuff, which in reality aint a lot.

So what is the present alternative ?
Oh yeah, Starmer is going to ‘Smash the gangs’ …dont make me effin laugh, he does not even believe that himself nor thinks it is doeable

These gangs have avoided defeat and detection for decades whilst selling drugs, and being involved in other professionally organised crime, and from people and organisations far better qualified than Starmer and his posse of clowns.

All this wind and pi55 we hear from the
Govt ,.with zero substance, whilst simultaneously NOTHING is being done to stop this influx of hostiles invading our shores…Nothing !

And then we get sanctamonious clowns like you pouring sugar all over it all, with assorted excuses, and euphamisms, with efforts to attempt to make it acceptable.
That is all we hear, and it is making the situation worse.
When the vast majority of us are concerned about it, and worried over the existing and potential dangers that we see in our own local towns and cities, to our families, our culture, our economy, social infrastructure, and our society in general, but we are ignored and compartmentalised again by said clowns, … with ridiculous unfounded accusations of far right, and racism, only to stifle the argument, because in their/your own minds they/you secretly know we are right to be concerned, but would never admit it, but jeep up with the liberal socialist charade instead.

So as I said before, you and your pathetic like minded ilk just carry on kidding yourseves in your nirvanic LaLa land, while the rest of us just face up to reality.