Socialism was always an ideology and political movement based on infiltration and gaining power by subversive methods.Not democracy.We had MI5 and CIA to stop it but forgot that they could also be infiltrated.
For those who are interested here is a couple of links, one to the article in The Atlantic, who interviewed General (ret) Kelly and an interview concerning that article on PBS. The first might have a paywall.
Basically it is about Trump wanting unquestioning loyalty to himself, not the USA and it’s laws and constitution. He wanted the military to just follow orders.
And to be clear Kelly is not alone in this view of Trump.
I cant pretend to know anymore than could be written on a postage stamp about US politics, but I see the Labour Party have been interfering in it, so much so that Trump has took out some kind of law suit.
Apparently a spokesman for Labour.(not Franglais this time 
) has stressed…(or rather over stressed which is a bit fishy) and repeatedly emphasised that it was ‘Members doing it in their spare time’ 
(which kinda reminds me of John Cleese’s final words in the Monty Python argument sketch )
So now it has been revealed it is …shock horror Lies 
and that Labour has funded some sort of trip out there, thus breaking interference in foreign election rules…
That is gonna go down well with the…‘Special relarltionship’ when Trump gets back in eh…nice one Keir.
So forgive me for being so slow, but the penny has just dropped as to Franglais latest slagging off campaign of somebody he hates…obviously the opposition are raging Leftys…(yeah I told you I was slow on this stuff 
who the Labour Party would love to be in cahoots with.
So …upshot is for me, anybody the UK Labour Party (and of course Franglais😂) hates…or fears, is good enough for me…so c.mon Donald.
Of course Honest Trump did not have any foreign politicians involved in his campaigns at any time. No hint of hypocrisy at all.
EDIT> At the time Farage was of course the leader of UKIP and was serving as an MEP
The obvious badly thought out answer…I’m surprised at you.
Farage was not in govt, he represented himself, not a party,…certainly not a governing party…and he did not go down the favourite Labour route of getting everything paid for, he paid for it himself.
It is about as relavant in terms of doing future harm to the UK him going, as much as it would ME going.
But as ever needless to say you will swallow the official party line b/s of the Pythonesqe…‘I could have been arguing (attending) in my spare time’. .
Just to add if they had a decent PR/Spin Doctor, this would have been shut down faster than a pork roll bar in a synagogue.
Alistar Campbell would have been all over it, before it even started, predicting the backlash.
There is deffo a vacancy, you have displayed your prowess on making pi55 poor polices, and derisive unwise moves look positive on here, Comical Ali is your influence, you are retired…give Keir a bell and hawk yourself out for the gig.
In the past Labour and Tories have been to the US to help parties there. Being the party of Gov has not stopped either of them.
How can it be correct that a party in opposition can do that but not a party of Gov?
The point is, it is party members who go, not Gov officials.
And Farage did not pay for himself. Has he ever paid for himself?
In fact his latest jaunt to the US whilst a UK MP was not paid by himself, and not declared.
And in order to represent the people of Clacton, Farage took £12,000 (deposit) to speak in the US. Nigel Farage defends US trip alongside Austrian MEP sympathetic to Russia | Nigel Farage | The Guardian
He did declare that…What a hero.
Yep agree.
There is lot of noise, but essentially no real story.
Ffs man what have the Tories and Farage got to do with it anyway?..
This hatred just keeps manifesting its’self from you…why are you focusing on them?
How many more efin times, everybody except you accept as a matter of course that all politicians atr on the make and not entirely straight.
Even if Farage (who you brought up) did not pay, nobody except you gives a f, the fact is a foreign GOVERNMENT, let alone a party should not be interfering in a foreign election…
Even if it was legal, it is inept, unethical and devoid of any consideration given to future adverse and negative effects on the UK.
Do you think Trump will be wiing to co.operate, let alone help, support, or trade with the UK after Starmer and his cast of idiots have actually tried to keep him from getting into the Presidency…or are you blind and naive on that also?
So shut the f up about the Tories for once, and Farage, …and consider that one.
No one, at any time, that I can see, has mentioned the UK Gov interfering in US elections.
Except you.
It was you that brought up the subject of foreign actions, and it seems that Farage amongst others has been doing that. And gobbing off about others at the same time.
So long as foreign parties are not paid I believe that they can do work etc.
Farage it seems was sponsored.
Are you saying that Trump is a vindictive and nasty bully? That he would act on personal feelings of feeling slighted, rather than act on what is best for his country?
You might well be right.
Putin is also like that, so maybe we shouldn’t be telling him off for invading Ukraine?
Any others you think we should kowtow to?
The Tories have openly supported Republicans in the past. Likewise Labour and Democrats previously.
If you want to argue that no UK party should ever support any foreign party, I might well agree with you. But no rules say that.
Stop putting words in my mouth to make your own argument…it’s pathetic man.
I said nothing of the sort as you well know.
Just keep on listening to the official lines with your blinkers on and your fingers in your ears and denying everything that is obvious Comical Ali.
I will remind you of this a few months down the line when (President) Trump brings this stuff home to roost and it backfires on your lefty mates.
Just to add, it has been all over the radio all morning on a number of stations and a number of politicians and ex politicians from all sides, and political experts,.(as opposed to those who THINK they are experts) they are all of the same opinion that a GOVERNMENT should not be interfering or trying to influence an election result for a electorate other than their own…and certainly not a main and traditional ally of whom we may need to depend on…whether your sort agree with that part or not
And it will effectivelly come back and bite them on the arse at one time or another.
But I’m gonna ignore all the experts and listen to Franglais.
To get back to the guy who the copper took out.
It seems his family prior to the verdict insisted the coppers name should be revealed.…yeah brill idea.
The lefty lawyers took precedence over common sense, so now the poor guy has a price on his head by the gang that the scumbag belonged to.
A lifelong sentence of looking over his shoulder, his kids having to leave their school, and him and his wife living on constant guard…all for doing his job.
Hopefully he will be allowed to carry a gun off duty.
In the meantime none of the ‘Black community’ have came out and condemned this character, …in fact they have virtually eulogised him ffs.
If the policy of appeasement that has been the done thing lately, and the copper had been found guilty, it would be George Whatshisface and BLM all over again, …with Starmer obliging.
It’s a miracle (not to mention a pity) those 2 Manchester Airport thugs had not been topped…the ones STILL waiting for a trial.
I mean, ffs how long is it now??
Not a chance: It boils down to “My gang (the police) is bigger than your gang (crims)”. Going after him would just open the door to rounding up all of them, no matter how minor, on a conspiracy charge, and many of them would never see the light of (outside) day again.
“Whoa, take 'er easy there, Pilgrim. Get off your horse and drink your milk”
This isn’t the Wild West you know, no one would let armed cops “take their work home” with them
Hmmm …Ok but do you really not think that some young scrote short of a few brain cells, and handed a ‘‘shooter’’ (you can tell I’m a Sweeney fan ) and coked up to the eyeballs, would see logic common sense or reason, when 10k was stuck under his beak to sniff.
A chance to make a name for himself ‘on da street dude’ .
As for the Wild West thing, he’s a highly trained firearms officer, there is a price on his head, he’s gonna be the most responsible guy who carries a gun on the street that there could be…is it not logic?
I read somewhere that off duty SAS and intel guys undercover in Ireland (ok same but different) carried them at all times in NI…under the same, or very similar threat,…so why not.
He has been put under this threat bevause of pressure and incompetence, not his fault…so somebody should be taking responsibility and helping him all they can imo.
Some scrote off his head on whatever illegal susbstance wouldn’t have the capability to locate the cop.
These aren’t the moderately sophisticated gangs we see on “The Wire”, they aren’t the former-KGB-turned-gangsters Russian Mafia, who might potentially possess the wherewithal to track someone down using their “intelligence services” skills.
These are relatively unintelligent, openly aggressive thugs, every member of their “gang” will already be documented (residence, known associates, known vehicles, known hangouts), these are the type of jerk-offs who hold their guns sideways, the type who sell-out their mates once they get banged-up in a cell, looking at a double-digit dose of porridge.
And, seeing one of their mates getting dispatched, and the cop gets cleared - crucially without the scumbag’s track record being revealed to the court - should send a message that even these numbnuts can understand: Taking out the trash carries no downsides for those who do it.
Whether or not off-duty special forces carried firearms during “The Troubles” I could not say, but from what I’ve read I imagine most of them would have had “digs” within the confines of very secure locations and would not be renting a house in a street full of locals.
I think there is a vast gulf between “police tackling crime” and “soldiers fighting terrorism”, so a cop carrying a gun as he’s on his way to Tesco’s just isn’t going to be sanctioned by anyone.
EDIT: If there was credible intel on a revenge plot against the cop it would be an ideal opportunity to run some kind of sting operation and get all this scum off the streets for a good long stretch
I believe that in NI all members of the Police can carry arms at all times.
As I understand it the UK normally works that anyone “helping with enquiries,” or whatever the term is, is unnamed. When charged they are then named.
This what happened with Officer who was charged.
Yvette Cooper has said that in future any Police charged for similar offences will not normally be named unless they are actually convicted. She has listened to the worries expressed and is acting.
Ed https://www.psni.police.uk/sites/default/files/2022-09/Chapter%209%20Police%20Use%20of%20Firearms.pdf
9.2 In recognition of the special circumstances prevailing in Northern Ireland, the
Chief Constable has given standing authority for all officers, subject to successful
training, to be issued with a personal issue handgun which may be carried when
officers are both on and off duty.
And Ed 2 Chris Kaba shooting: Yvette Cooper vows to reform how police are held to account – The Irish News
Yeah ok I get it that these guys are more ‘wannabe’ NY gangsta boys than sophistcated Mafiosa type cells.
Got to say though,.what are the Old Bill thinking about letting them even exist, let alone give them scope to terrorise decent people in their neighbourhoods.
The potential (and in fact actual) danger is off the scale.
The case in Liverpool last year where some pond life just indiscriminately discharged a firearm into a group sat in a pub beer garden, killing an innocent young lass.
In the case of the low life we are on about now, the footage of him or one of his ilk, firing a gun in a busy nightclub ffs.
All totally unacceptable in any society.
I know gang culture has been a thing since pre ‘Peaky Blinders’ but today is another level…the whole thing needs a hard line approach, if the Police can not deal with it, send in the military, those arse holes would not stand a chance against a highly trained anti terriorst military group…a good bit of on the job training for them.
Nice to hear the present govt is on the same page and in touch with the public on at least one thing, full marks I reckon, lets hope it’s a precedent for other issues.
It’s such a deeply engrained thing in black youth culture, I don’t know how they can deal with it - we have gangs insulting each other on facebook which then turns into actual stabbings on the street (not just London, this is what happened in Newcastle too). It’s all totally out of control.
Yep…I aint going to disagree with any of that.
However I still think the Police give these gangs too much of a free rein, to the point they don’t fear the Police, in any way.
I dont think it’s just a ‘black’ thing either, there are an equal amount of white scumbags, who for some reasons best known to themselves they try and emulate the black gangs…as far as including speaking like them in that kin annoying pseudo West Indian accent.
The root cause is drugs, and the vast amount of money made at the top.
I do actually think that the battle is lost already, and it is now more of a damage limitation excercise for thr Police, rather than trying to beat them and/or restore some sort of law and order.