The latest on the 'Labour aren’t as bad as the Tories theme.
Newsflash…They ARE !
After reading this some even may say they are actually worse.
It seems that Starmer is being accused of, and is alleged to have deliberately covered up the estimates given to him, of how many old people could, (or are likely to) die because of him and his party’s policy, of cutting of winter payments to old age pensioners, (‘The Caring Party’ eh? )
Apparentlly it breaks their own Minesterial rules.
The same set of rules that they kept on banging on about when the Tories also broke them in other ways, when they succeeded in getting BJ the sack?
Wonder what the positive spin could be put on THAT little gem.
The source is The Daily Telegraph, a Tory paper, but as I said if something is true, the source of that truth is irrelavant.
You know Franglais will find a spin and dismiss it in his usual condescending way because it doesn’t fit his narrative. Daily bashing of Boris and the Tories (rightfully so in recent years), Not a peep about this Labour government and the shambles of the first 3 months already.
Is there anything new in that article which is behind a pay wall?
Anything contrary to this from weeks ago? There was no impact report published because none was made.
Following from the Johnson interview with Kuenssburg being cancelled by her, it seems that Johnson has now cancelled another interview. He was due to be interviewed by Beth Rigby, but he refused to allow the interview to be recorded. Rigby rightly did not concede to his conditions.
As a PM he may have called the shots, as A N Other flogging his stuff he is not so important, and given his history of lying and then lying about lying all his utterances need to be recorded to stop him spinning what he did/didn’t say in interviews
Dismiss the issue as a non event, a triviality, a non story, or an old story.
(All in stark direct contrast to if the same thing or the same sort of thing came up this time last year when you would have been all over it like measels.)
Then quickly deflect and divert the conversation into something negative, towards, or ridicule worthy of the Tory Party at present, or maybe another pop at BJ. …or when they were in govt.
Absolute vintage classic Franglais tactics.
Jeeezus mate, you are actually becoming a caricature of YOURSELF…
Soon I will be deciding I no longer need to show you up as to what you really are,… you are doing a fine and efficient job of it yourself,.although even YOU are unsurprisingly finding it difficult to defend the indefensible, with this shower of ■■■■…‘who will not be as bad as the Tories’ .
I’m thinking I could be taking over your role as the new TN unofficial Govt critic …
Second thoughts maybe I should knock it on the head now in case I actually get like you.
Oh God no…
@Franglais.
Just to add…
Instead of dribbling on about Johnson…(now that IS old news this time.)
So why do you think he did not see fit to disclose the most important thing about this heartless policy…ie how many old people could potentially die because of HIM.
Not legally obliged to ?..seems not.
So what about…Morally obliged to ?..m
Most definitely in anybody’s book.
Was it a mixture of cover up, embarrasment and shame?..
Refer to last answer.
Read the post. I am asking a question. Is there anything new in the article?
I try not to put words into your mouth, so don’t attempt to put words into mine.
Nowhere have I said it is trivial or a non story.
Since I was responding to your post, how was I diverting attention away from it?
I was and am treating it seriously, by trying to find out the full story since it is invisible to me.
Yes I also am talking about Johnson and his (non)interviews, and talking about new info on that.
Other political stories have not been put on hold because of this one.
You answered my post in 3 short paragraphs.
2 , or even all 3 of which can be interpteted as a dismissal rather than 2 genuine enquiries and a direct answer to the query.
You then totally changed and diverted the subject by going off on one (again) about Boris bloody Johnson.
The ‘winter fuel payment’ was always just a scam to cover up the fact that the state pension is unfit for purpose like the NHS.
The result being that workers don’t reflect the true costs of retirement and health care in their wage expectations and demands.
Also added to by a Social engineering stunt which panders to self entitled younger generations at the expense of the old.
With predictable exceptions for the train driver and political commissar elites.
Pensioners freeze because of insufficient pension provision and putting that provision in the hands of a bunch of Bolsheviks and Tory race to the bottom wage policies.Which is why the Tories never abolished the Socialist NHS and State Pension scams.
As a mere visitor to our planet/dimension, you can be forgiven for believing that Bolsheviks and Tories could or would work together (perhaps your Babel Fish has not accurately translated what these two factions represent?). These are two different sides of our Earth coins. And, if there is one thing that generally unites all of us UK-based Earth people, it is a deep seated love of our NHS. So no, no one is going to advocate abolishing this.
I couldn’t write more, as you seem to wish, because the article is behind a pay wall. I asked you what is being said by the Telegraph.
You still haven’t replied to that, so I cannot reply further can I?
Forgive me.
I rather assumed that you could walk and chew gum sim…sorry… at the same time.
"Sue Gray has quit her role as Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer’s chief of staff.
A Downing Street spokeswoman confirmed Ms Gray will take up a new role as the PM’s envoy for nations and regions.
She had been caught up in rows over pay, after the BBC’s political editor revealed her salary was higher than Sir Keir’s, and donations from Lord Alli.
Labour has confirmed Ms Gray will be replaced by Morgan McSweeney, who was previously chief adviser to the PM."
BBC
You just can’t help yourself with your patronising sneering ways can you…‘sim’ indeed.
Ok I got it.
If you genuinely think I am not on the same educational or intellectual level as you, well that says more about you than it does about me mate.
(Bring on the display of oblivious innocence and denial.)
Full marks for posting a slightly negative post about the Labour Party btw, presumably in order to refute a number of accusations from one or two members…but you can find much more appealling…(or more like appalling ) items about them if you looked…but hey,.it’s a start.
I don’t read every word in this thread (because I’ve got a life ) so forgive me if this has already been mentioned, the government are being sued over there being no impact assessment carried out before stopping the winter fuel payments and apparently it’s not a foregone conclusion that the government will win.
Hmmm…That’s a good point, I’m starting to question how much time I spend on it lately tbh, what with my attention deficit on what I would usually put in the ‘dull’ category.
Tbf my interest is starting to waver on ‘shutting Franglais up’ …, so normal service of sex beer and football will be resumed anytime soon…
Apart from the Tories, the Lib Dems coud be asking questions, or Age Concern etc could be working through the courts, if there is a realistic chance of change.
Mind you, Badenoch for one had already suggested that Winter Fuel Allowance should be means tested.
) items about them if you looked…but hey,.it’s a start.
) so forgive me if this has already been mentioned, the government are being sued over there being no impact assessment carried out before stopping the winter fuel payments and apparently it’s not a foregone conclusion that the government will win.
Hmmm…That’s a good point, I’m starting to question how much time I spend on it lately tbh, what with my attention deficit on what I would usually put in the ‘dull’ category.