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OUT OF HOURS BULLY'S TRUCKSTOP BAR (INTERACTIVE)
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Wtf is wrong with you man?

Do you REALLY not see the point that a lot on here are getting at?
Or are you just pretending not to on an attempt to save some face, or just plain embarrased?

From my pov I have been accused on here of things including being an arrogant bast, amongst other things on here …at least I have sat back and considered it (and maybe in fact agreed :joy:) I aint come back and played dumb pretending I dont know wtf they were on about…in a ''Qui Moi ? ‘’ style. :roll_eyes:
If so I can not see why it is so important to you, unless you lead a very dull life, it is ONLY a forum ffs

Let me try and explain (although I am sure you already know)

You clearly have a bias towards the Labour Party…ok, nothing wrong with that.

You clearly hate the Tory Party…and absolutely detest Boris Johnson…again nothing wrong.

That is perfectly fine and acceptable, and guess what?..
Nobody cares.!

Here’s the bit though:

However for the last few years on this forum, you have put yourself out there as some sort of Trucknet political expert, reporter and commentator, an armchair politician,…again fine so far, it enhances the forum and cultivates conversation.

You have also set yourself up as the TN chief Brexit critic…again fine.

The chief TN critic on how your mate Boris dealt with Covid…again all fine so far.

In this self appointed role you have gone on to tell us on a daily basis the mistakes of the governmrnt of the day.
Constantly and daily pointing out their incompetence, their dodgy dealings,.and on the whole how bloody bad they are…right across the last FIVE prime ministers…
Yet again absolutely fine, in fact a lot of us see some of your points, and readily agree.

But HERE’S the bit where you range from being slightly irritating to annoying the crap out of us.

We now have a government that has broke all records in becoming so disliked and unpopular in a record short time.

A Prime Minister who is now despised by the oldest generation for his unfair policies towards them, …a lot of whom have voted for his party for the last 50 years, including this time!

A Prime minister who has virtually alienated a vast amount of his traditional voter, his target voter in fact, and the voter his WHOLE party was set up originally to represent at conception of his party…ie the British traditional Working Class…most of us on here in fact.

A govt who have showed themselves up to not be as ‘whiter than white’ as they tried to convince us pre election, ok all legal, but questionably moral, who all have their fat snouts in the trough (especially the prominent 2) as much as the Tories did when they were in power.

A Pm who chooses to totally ignore what a lot of the population are up in arms about, the illegal immigration virtual invasion with the drain on the economy and infrastruture it brings.
And not only that, but readily allow it to perpetuate constantly.

A PM who writes off anybody who is totally sick and tired of the previous point, as ‘Far right’ and ‘racist’.

The list could go on and on…and all after YOU assured us that Labour ‘were not as bad as the Tories’
Hows that prediction going so far btw? :joy:

So…From the TN political commentator and critique…
Where are the reams of pages daily from the ‘TN political correspondent’ outraged about all this, as much as he was about Johnson and his antics?..oh and the previous 4 other dodgy PMs.
Especially with the present dodgy one.

Where are the abundance of links veryfying and proving his points?

Where are the sneering sarcastic and gloating comments and opinions on ‘How bad they are doing, and how bad it is for our country’’ ?
Surely there is a lot of mileage in this for him to keep telling us, and keep us up to date with his famous links and vids.

Nah virtually nothing :frowning:

Maybe except for a lot of excuses, a lot of Comical Ali style downright denial :joy:, a lot of pathetic pointless spin thst everybody with a quarter of a brain can see is b/s, …
Oh yeah and a counter attack on a couple of random Tories, a few more pops at Johnson, and an accusation (Starmer style) of me being a racist.:joy:

And THAT is what me and a few more are getting at.

Tell ya what mate in your own little Franglais world you should wrte out a resignation as TN (un) official political reporter, and post it back to yourself,.and look at taking up fishing or stamp collecting instead.
But hey…maybe the Tories will get back in next (hope not) and you will be back in full flow.:thinking: :partying_face:

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The Tories have done things a hundred times worse than anything labour have done so far. Maybe in a couple of years you’ll see more anger against them but at the moment many people are just glad they are gone

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Yeah I personally are glad they are gone for one…And I voted for em time before this !

But the Tories have been in for 14 years, Labour have been in for 14 Minutes…with much anger so far.

Of course they have done hundreds of things more or hundreds of times as…or whatever.
So what’s your point exactly?

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It is true that according to surveys Starmer is much less popular now he is in power, than when in opposition.
So far, so as expected!

The last YouGov survey I can see, a few weeks ago, shows that Starmer was both more liked than Farage and less disliked that Farage. Watch GBN or listen to Talk Radio and read many media sites and the opposite might appear to be the case. The honeymoon is over: Keir Starmer's net favourability falls to lowest level since February | YouGov

Since then of course we have had the freebies row, so I expect Starmer to have fallen more.

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Starmer / Labour’s popularity will be even lower than a snake’s belly when anymore juicy snippets are released by the press. The press have a canny way of drip feeding stories to get a response from the accused only to further drip feed again. As comedian Jimmy Cricket used to say “and there’s more”.

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Expected?
Yes absolutely, it is what we come to expect in fact.
But by so much in such little time?

You do not need to go on any site, official survey or clip, you hear it in the street, you hear it in the pub (no not just with people I associate socially with either) you hear it at work, and by a country mile from the type and class of person who have supported them over the years, and voted for them…
Including life long pensioner voters (for obvious reasons) and including my very own Dad, Mam,.and Auntie, all well into their 80s, all lifelong staunch Labour followers, who have each told me they feel betrayed, with all their friends and neighbours saying the same.
Just because a news source does not fit your remit, even you can not refute that at the very least a lot of the adverse publicity is blatantly accurate.

Look mate, just to take the personal differences and general ‘ag’ between us out of the conversation for a minute (a minute only😂) , let me explain my personal stance on this.
It is NOT a hatred of Labour, you can disbelieve me or not, I don’t care, but it genuinely gives me NO pleasure seeing what a complete horlicks Starmer and his crew are making of all this stuff, in the way it appeared to give you with Johnson and the Tories.
I as a British patriot who has no alligance to any party (but who SHOULD be a Labour man) would love to see our country on the way back to success, including under Labour…or any party, whilst maintaining (and re.couping) true traditional British values that have been part of our culture for generations.

I would absolutely love to get our country back, economically, and socially, and maintaing British Law and Order, but instead we have this one rule for one, one for another, 2 tier sytem, actively and most obviously, perpetrated by this present government…and only and bizarrely for reasons of appeasement, that aspect is absolutely shocking and outrageous to anybody of whatever party favoured.

Our older generation are being picked on, and yes my own personal chestnut…our country is being invaded by stealth from people claiming to be refugees, …but from France ffs.

Again believe or don’t, not fussed, but from my angle, it aint about colour, I would have the same stance on this if they were pasty white blonde with blue eyes overcrowding our small ISLAND, and taking advantage of our over blown hospitality…and abusing it.

I will not pretend I do not have a problem with their culture, but only because it is affecting our own culture and ways severely adversley, let them practice it, fair play they are entitled, but do not encroach and actively attempt to change ours…and especially our values and attitude towards our indigenous women !

Please do not come back at me with links and other b/s refuting, and attempting (unsuccesfully) that things aint as bad as I say, I have my own eyes and ears for that.
So as they say on Dragons Den…That is where I am.

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I agree. @truckpro
The (mostly right wing )media, will carefully manipulate how they feed the public to get their desired response.

2333

The media have proved very successful in leading a largely gullible population into whatever conclusion that the media want.

2334

Someone once had some very detailed thoughts on that, in some old book somewhere. Can’t remember his name right now though… He used the word propaganda, I’ve substituted the word media, but I don’t think it changes the accuracy of the observations:

All media must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be. But if the aim is to influence a whole people, we must avoid excessive intellectual demands on our public, and too much caution cannot be extended in this direction.

The more modest its intellectual ballast, the more exclusively it takes into consideration the emotions of the masses, the more effective it will be. And this is the best proof of the soundness or unsoundness of a media campaign, and not success pleasing a few scholars or young aesthetes.

The art of media lies in understanding the emotional ideas of the great masses and finding, through a psychologically correct form, the way to the attention and thence to the heart of the broad masses. The fact that our bright boys do not understand this merely shows how mentally lazy and conceited they are.

Once understood how necessary it is for media in be adjusted to the broad mass, the following rule results:
It is a mistake to make media many-sided, like scientific instruction, for instance.

The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous.

In consequence of these facts, all effective media must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out.

Thus we see that media must follow a simple line and correspondingly the basic tactics must be psychologically sound.

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Yeah, wot he ^^^^^ sed :+1:

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Think it was this Austrian geezer in this book.
Never heard much about him though since he wrote it.:grin:

2337

That’s Charlie Chaplin innit? :smile:

2338

He looks nowt like an Army Chaplain.

2339

Are you for real?

Anyone who takes any notice of your posts and links knows full well that you can’t get on here quick enough when you have found an article that is seemingly anti Brexit or anti Tories to post your latest findings.

Your defence has always been that you post your links to engage discussion and opinion as this is a forum, in itself that is actually a fair point and I am with you on that one. We all know you are politically point scoring though.

However you have been unusally quiet these last 3 months on that score, in fact almost non existent to a hypocritical level. Lets face it, this current government has given us enough scandal already in the shortest period, yet not 1 single thing from yourself. Wonder what you be doing if it was the Tories doing this stuff? :thinking::thinking:

2340

Making political points on a political thread?
Oh My! Whatever next?

So saying little is being hypocritical? Would silence be a lie then?
George Orwell would have appreciated your logic.

Fell free to make any number of political points you wish for yourself if you can. That is the reason for this thread being here.
Name all the scandals you like, fill your boots.
Tell us in detail what “all this stuff” is.
Put up links to it all!

In the meanwhile, as you type out the 3 months worth of scandals, we have Jenrick accusing soldiers of murder, and wanting to enable future Govs to be able to take away UK citizen’s human rights.
Not heard any Labour, Liberal, Green, politicians saying that, although RefUK Ltd are with him on the latter point.

2341

:rofl: :rofl: You’ve literally just proved all my point’s with your reply.

2342

I am fairly sure that you believe that.

I am very sure that those who have to claim victory out loud, are the ones who are “point scoring” and also that those who participate in an activity, and self judge their own performance are the ones worst equipped to be judges.

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What scandal that is so much worse than any other party?

To provide balance to the thread it would be remiss not to mention other goings on. Big Nige had a holiday paid for to go see Big Don. Big Lee and Big Nige are working outside parliament taking time away from their constituents and being paid large amounts of money.

The Conservative record is far far worse than the Labour Party on sleaze. Jonathan Aitken was jailed for perjury in the 1990s ffs.

As regards the winter fuel payment, it shows that the present government is not making decisions to be popular which I think is a good quality in politics. Quite refreshing in fact.

2344

Some might appreciate this YT.
NB it is from 7 months ago hence the ending.

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In principle I agree with that.

We need someone prepared to be unpopular in the short term in order to get long term stability, and less long term expense. Arguably having to be re-elected every 5 years is a deterrent to long term schemes, but a longer term might be less democratic of course.

Economics is far from a simple issue, as we can hopefully agree.
Here is Max Robespierre putting his own spin on an economist’s explanation

And the excellent Tim Harford trying to be fully factual and spin free last week. Approx ten minutes at the beginning about take-up of pensioners monies.
More or Less - Could the winter fuel cut cost more than it saves? - BBC Sounds

As a bit of an aside, Adam Smith was once (and still is by some) revered as an economist. But some of his assertions about invisible hands and everyone acting in their own self interest, are not borne out by observation of actual events.
Economists need to be psychologists, social scientists, and to be mathematically proficient in statistics and probability to do their job today.
Not many politicians are such, and although they can take advice from those experts better qualified, too many do not even have a grasp of elementary maths and logic to be able to understand even the basics.