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Seems to me that there are rules about what can and cannot be accepted by politicians, and if accepted how they should be declared.

IMHO nothing should be given to any politician at all. Ever.
However that seems to be unrealistic.

In the few years I was driving a coal truck, I did get a few tips, and they were welcome. When I did a short stint as a waiter at a holiday resort I got a few tips, but thought that when I was tipped at the start of a grockle’s hols it was more of a bribe. When I drive a desk for a coule of years I got a few bottles etc at Xmas, and let the bosses know, so it wouldn’t be construed as me taking bungs from customers.
It is complicated.

Seems to me that a footie club giving tickets to an MP is not a big issue, although it should be declared. But a house-builder giving footie tickets? More problematic.

Although I am not happy about Starmer getting clothed by a Labour donor, it is, it appears, legal. He has declared it.
Previously Johnson, for instance, took monies for flat decorations, he sought to hide the sources, but they were outside of the rules, and the party were fined.

They are not all the same.

And Farage?
“Nigel Farage has had his MEP’s salary docked by £35,500 after claims he misspent EU funds, the BBC understands.
The ex-UKIP leader was investigated by the European Parliament over claims his office assistant had not been working on EU matters.”
And although not a UK MP at the time, who was foremost in his mind in 2016?

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Re.Your post on that Vinayak Malhotra bloke, the Reform party rep…

Which angle are you coming from on this exactly?
Please tell me you have not swallowed the Labour and media total b/s that all Reform voters are racist.
Why would he not be ‘what we want’?

I know absolutely nothing about the guy, but if he was qualified for the job, why would he not be wanted by Reform supporters exactly ?

2288

Really cba…but ok I will anyway.:roll_eyes:

So politicians aint whiter than white, some are better and worse than others…‘Hold the front page’ eh?
Who would have thought that.

You miss the point.

We know they are all ‘at it’ in varying degrees.

We know some are worse/better than others.

We know some are/were liars and dishonest.

We even know they have done maybe nothing illegal even your beloved Labour.

Just to add most of us (maybe apart from you :roll_eyes:) don’t even bother to concern ourselves or care what they make, or what extra they make, or even what bungs and bribes they get.
Cos most of us are realist and astute to know that is how things work in realworld at ALL levels… whether we like it or not…so there ya go.

What you are missing, and what has pi55ed a lot of people off is the shear hypocrisy of those presently taking the (legal) bungs and bribes, after they continuosly condemned the last govt for doing the self same thing…with the added caveat ‘We are not like that’'.

Which part of that do you still not get ffs.
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That is correct, in that you are wrong.
I don’t align myself wholly with any party. In any given election my vote would be up for grabs, but I operate on a principle of parties excluding their self from my personal vote based on their overall presentation.

This time around, the Tories were just an impossibility for me (too long in power and behaving like bickering children),
Ref UK similarly impossible to vote for (giving them my vote would mean I had to agree that Brexit was a good idea).
LibDems… a laughable option,
the five or so independent offerings were variously excluded for either:
Not promoting their self at all,
Promoting their self with grammar and punctuation that would get a year 4 pupil in trouble (9 year olds)
Promoting their self as pro-Palestine
and, one who was too right wing for Ref UK and who chose to stand as an independent.

In the end, the Tories won, without my help.

That’s been going on for at least a decade: My BIL and sister (working class by birth and original occupations from 1960’s onwards, got disillusioned by labour at the end of the Blair and Brown era.

Kier Starmer has just become someone people love to hate, due to his inattention to popularism. That, and all the outright hatred on line.

Social Media has a A LOT to do with the current political situation, and most of it is absolute garbage shared and reshared by unthinking and uneducated A-holes.
The working class of my younger days were very pro-education (the OU was a labour invention), but most of those people became middle-class to some degree and the current working class tend to be the benefit-drawing underclass who share a handful of brain cells between the wholle neighbourhood (see the rioting retards)

Just my personal opinion, other opinions are available

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If anybody posts anything against your narrative, they are being accused of being brainwashed Labour men (or people, sorry). How can a sensible conversation be had?

I notice that most of your posts mention Labour and Labour is being brought up even when Labour isn’t what is being discussed.

Okay, so we all know that the bee in the bonnet of robroy is Labour. What do you want us to do?

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Donations within the rules
vs
Donations outside the rules

2292

No not against my ‘narrative’ at all mate.
If they come across and display themselves as ‘brainwashed labour men’ I’ll tell em they’re ‘brainwashed labour men’…if it quacks like a duck etc etc.

Although tbh I cant recall using that phrase but yeah I probably have tbf.

But …if you think I’m incapable of having a sensible conversation…don’t converse with me, I aint fussed.

As for keep mentioning Labour…
It’s hardly surprising on a political based thread is it?..and especially when they are currentlly in power.
In fact if you do a Franglais style ‘‘thread and post trawl’’ you will more than likely find the Tories were the no.1 conversation piece at that time.

And the scope for conversation about them is wholly avaiailable considering the epic balls ups they have made in such a short time…but still not as bad as the Tories apparentlly :joy:

What do I want you to do? You ask.:flushed:
Sorry to be so blunt mate, but do what tf you want, it’s up to you, I don’t really care.

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Ahhh I get it, I was a bit slow there …you and your ‘rules’ again.

Although your beloved Labour are guilty of gross hypocricy, and totally ignoring the mood of the people, all you can say about the freeloading, bribes, and bungs scenario is that Boris Johnson was less than straight and honest at the time, …aka another opportunity seized for your incessant (and downright tiresome) Tory bashing.
Let it go man… ffs, you are getting even more boring than you usually are. :roll_eyes:

2294

The inconvenient fact is that you’re describing working class and Nationalist like Michael Collins.
Socialism is totally different and the antithesis of that.It will happily throw the indigenous working class under the bus to meet its ideologically anti nation state Supra National agenda.
It sees the world as an ant like society of the Collective and for the good of the Collective.There is no place for Nation and National identity in that.
Oh the ‘Labour’ party was long ago a Socialist Party having fooled the working class that Collective bargaining in the workplace is the same thing as Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist Collective authoritarian government.It too me around 3 years from the age of 16 to see it for what it is.

2295

As opposed to your Socialist Planet where you think that singing the Red Flag isn’t an insult to our Korean War dead.

2296

I do not like Labour taking any donations. Not at all.
However, where have they said that all donations etc should be stopped?

I do think they are, at the least, “tin eared” and have it wrong.
They have spoken against rule breaking, but have they actually broken rules?
In fact (unlike Johnson defending rule breakers) they are tightening up the rules making some future donations etc harder to accept.
“We will make clear going forward in the ministerial code that both ministers and shadow ministers should be under the same declaration rules,” McFadden told the BBC’s Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme.

“This was a Tory loophole, brought in so that you would have an event where the Tory minister, as it was under the last government, there, the Labour shadow opposite number would also be there, and the Tory minister would not have to declare."
BBC

2297

You’re winding me up now right?

YOU tell ME where they said ‘all donations should be stopped’, seeing as you asked the question…cos I didn’t say they said it, and I have already agreed it was legal…or ‘no rules broken’ if you prefer it put that way,…we all know how you like ‘your rules’ on everything.

I recall Angela Rayner bleating about some donation freebie or bung… that was it Johnson ? got at the time, outraged she was :roll_eyes:…Then her and tge rest of tgem grasped them with all paws.

Anyhow how tf would I know when it was said… you are ‘Franglais the political authority’ on here, you usually have no problems remembering or quoting something negative said about the Tories chapter verse date and time of day it happened in fact, or do you just suitably ignore anything that can be construed as derogatory to Labour…in a true to Party policy 2 tier style.:smiley:

Have a trawl through the Parliamentary archives for your answer., you are usually good at that .

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#didn’tvotelabour

I know, your other-worldy narrative is just too comforting, but hey! That’s reality for you

2299

I’m more or less the same, I have no alliegance to any particular party, and seeing as how they all evolve, and change, (and usually not for the better) I never understand why and how some do have that immovable allegiance.

In theory (a theory that probably applies more 20 to 30+ years ago) I should be a Labour supporter, but they bear little or no resemblance to the days when my Granda supported them.

Tories,… As you know I was pro Brexit, and I rightly or wrongly liked Johnsons 'Off the wall, maverick casual could not give a f style (false or otherwise) and I could relate to it, so for that and a few other reasons, I voted, and tbf dont regret it, especially with the what I saw as conspiratorial circumstances (both within and out of his party ) of his demise…but that has been discussed to death already.

Lib Dems…a bit of a joke end of.

Reform, I think they have a future, and they make a lot of sense, and are not afraid to prioritise truth over poiitical correctness…again which I can relate to.

The rest ?..a wasted vote.

I agree with your social media analysis, it’s spot on, and as I said I avoid it…maybe apart from TN… if it can be in fact described as SM…

Starmer asks for a lot of what he gets, he was ‘Keir man of the people’ pre election, but soon showed his true colours especially with the pensioners, and most of it is based on his authoritarian history.

You seem to have a poor opinion of current working class people, …obviously drivers are working class, and the general concencus is they are rough arsed, ill educated and bordering on neandrathals, ok one or two definitely are…
But majority not.

I reckon you are confusing working class with an underclass that has evolved over the years socially…however there has always been a version of that class all through history, from the serfs in the Feudal system, to peasants, to poverty stricken Victorians, right through to the workshy drug dealing Jeremy Kyle types of recent…so really nothing new.

You say some working class are now middle class, I disagree it is more a case of aspirations, but not only do they no longer fit in with their own class, but the more ‘snobby’ middle class never accept them,.and dismiss them as ‘nouveau riche’ so basically in ‘class limbo’.
As you say…‘Other opinions are available’.:smile:

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Here is a link to the above story.

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So you want me to look for something that you might have imagined?

You allege hypocrisy. Show us where.

I think that no one at all should be getting anywhere near the level of freebies flying around. However the rules allow lots of it.

So far I have seen that Labour have got freebies within the rules, and Tories got some within the rules and some outside the rules.
Labour have complained about those outside the rules, but have they moaned about the legal ones? Are they being hypocrites?

Anyone else remember Jenrick and house builder Desmond? A nice lunch followed by £12,000 donated to Tory party, and £45,000,000 tax legally avoided, with help from Jenrick.

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I dont want you to do anything mate,… maybe apart from 2 words 2 syllables with 3 f.s.

You know full well they were bellyaching about the Tories freebies and donations etc, and about stuff they went on to do themselves, but as usual reality just did not happen in ‘Franglais world’.
It’s what we are used to on here with you with your Comical Ali style.:roll_eyes:

Rest assured if I had made some reference to an event whereby Labour showed up the Tories to what they really are, and I was not sure where or when it took place, you’d be right on it, giving me date time and location with a link to prove it.
Believe and deny what you want mate, I don’t care.
You are a joke that is no longer funny.

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There ya go smartarse.

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So in your link
Rayner declared where she went and who paid for it.
She asked, and the link did not say, who paid for Johnson’s Caribbean holiday?
Until it was forced from him Johnson kept quiet about who paid for his wallpaper, and then when it came out the Tories were fined and monies repaid etc.

And the photographer alleged in your link to be for Rayner?

The Express seems to be at it again.

See the difference?

2305

Yeah I see the difference…
In Franglais world his beloved Labour Party is whiter than white, and csn do no wrong (everbody else knows different but hey! … Franglais is ALWAYS right) and anybody Tory is a bigger criminal than Hitler…got it.
Oh yeah and any source of news or info who aint pro Labour is as bad.
Cheers for clarification.

As I said mate you’re a joke…3 f.s.
:roll_eyes: